LAPD Badged Thugs Kill 14 Year Old While NOT Shooting At Her

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Meghan54

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This case is another example of clear-cut involuntary manslaughter at a minimum, except they be the police.

But police have been granted extreme privileges and near immunity - anything short of an execution caught on video is effectively permitted.

Less than 1% of the roughly 1000 fatal shootings by police each year are ever even attempted to be prosecuted in the US.


Fun Fact: While each and every police officer that's shot on the job (by civilians, etc.) is reported to the FBI's crime database, only around 40% of officer shootings of civilians is reported to the FBI crime database.
 
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Even worse, later they show a small army of cops with various shotguns and pistols. For one fucking guy. I guess it was a slow day.
Meanwhile, In Denver an army of cops chased one guy around town for two hours while he killed people at several locations.

 

shortylickens

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but hey: it works on the TV when Arnold Szwarzennegar does it as a "hilarious but disgruntled cop!" back in the 90s, when today's chumps grew up worshipping "being a cop on TV" ...and that's basically when their education on the world ended.
Which movie from the 90's had Arnold as hilarious but disgruntled cop?
The only cop movie I remember was Last Action Hero and he wasnt disgruntled.
 

K1052

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Watched the video. Big fing yikes at the cop with the M16 running ahead of the others and discharging three rounds without seeing a gun. Obviously at least one round stuck the suspect but not sure about the others, my suspicion is at that range he didn't miss given the size of the target so rather probable over penetration. This is why I cringe at all the keyboard warriors saying ARs are their home defense guns because they're likely to kill the neighbors if they ever used them. 5.56 out of a 16in barrel is moving at 2700-3000fps. Cops with the pistols should have approached first given the tight quarters and no idea of what is in the background, which is I presume why he was being called back.

A report of a possible man with a gun surely merits a response of armed officers but the cop doing the shooting totally botched things and should be responsible for it.
 

eelw

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Okay don't just press charges on the cop that pulled the trigger. Charge the supervisor that approved him bringing a rifle to this scene. Lucky it just didn't go through the suspect, the wall behind him, through the victim and then through her to hit someone else.
 

purbeast0

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HE was disgruntled?

I sure as shit dont remember that. And I just watched it again this past summer.
He wasn't even supposed to be the teacher and initially hated every moment of it. He was also obsessed with the bad guy and pissed that he was not able to catch him.

I'd say he was disgruntled.
 

HomerJS

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Saw this sad body cam footage. Looks like a problem with the rules of engagement. Calls came in suspect was shooting but police didn't confirm he had a gun. I don't think there was any way they could have known a dressing room was at the end of the isle where they shot.

Agree with @eelw whoever ordered the cop to go in with that rifle is responsible.
 

shortylickens

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He wasn't even supposed to be the teacher and initially hated every moment of it. He was also obsessed with the bad guy and pissed that he was not able to catch him.

I'd say he was disgruntled.
Umm, ok, I dont wish to be rude.
You do not know the definition of disgruntled.
 

dainthomas

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Umm, ok, I dont wish to be rude.
You do not know the definition of disgruntled.

Well the beginning of the movie in NYC or whatever he seemed angry and out of control beating up random people while going after the bad guy. Although that might be just standard movie/TV cop behavior.
 

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woolfe9998

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Saw the video. You really only need to watch the last 6-7 minutes to see the body cam vid in order to assess the officer's actions.

Looks like a bad shoot to me.

1. Assailant was armed with only the lock.
2. No guns or knives were reported in the 911 call meaning the officers had no expectation of a firearm.
3. The victim of the assault was about 10 feet away from the attacker and near the cops. She was already secure.
4. This was a very public place meaning extra caution must be exercised in discharging a firearm.
5. Seems likely that non-lethal methods could have been used to subdue the assailant. Had the shooting officer just waited a few seconds, the other cops would likely have approached him from the other side, pointing their guns. With nowhere to go, the assailant could well have just surrendered then.
6. No verbal warnings were issued to the assailant prior to the shooting.
7. Prior to the shooting, the other officers can be heard telling the lead cop to slow down and hold up.

I think it's manslaughter, and not only as to the bystander, but possibly as to the assailant. The assailant was not an immediate threat, was crawling away, not advancing, and was given no opportunity to surrender.

Edit: I was in error on point #4. A 9/11 caller did say he had a gun and had fired it. This still does not alter my analysis substantially because the assailant was in plane view to the officer and showed no gun.
 
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SmCaudata

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If I was defending my house and a stray bullet killed my neighbor, I would face charges.

Police with side arms, and also likely non lethal means, were present. There was no reason to discharge a rifle meant for kills up to 500m inside a store. Could a 9mm overpenetrate? Sure. Would it be less likely to kill, definitely yes.

This should be involuntary manslaughter for the officer and suspension and training for whomever approved this asinine intervention "strategy."
 

woolfe9998

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If I was defending my house and a stray bullet killed my neighbor, I would face charges.

It's very unlikely you would be. I don't know why you think this.

Police with side arms, and also likely non lethal means, were present. There was no reason to discharge a rifle meant for kills up to 500m inside a store. Could a 9mm overpenetrate? Sure. Would it be less likely to kill, definitely yes.

This should be involuntary manslaughter for the officer and suspension and training for whomever approved this asinine intervention "strategy."

I agree with all of this.
 

SmCaudata

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It's very unlikely you would be. I don't know why you think this.



I agree with all of this.
Interesting. I read up on this. It's insane that the original perpetrator would be responsible. No clear indication of responsibility on a shooter in self defense case. Learn something new every day I suppose.

When I took gun safety and CC classes it was pushed hard that I am personally responsible for where my rounds go, regardless of the situation.

I definitely disagree with the law here.
 

railer

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AmeriKKKa's antiquated and deadly law enforcement training system.How US police training compares with the rest of the world
Good lord. Anyone who takes the time to type out the word "Amerikkka" and then hits the post button, has got to be one of the stupidest people on the internet. Thanks for the laugh.
As to the main point of this post, I'll take more time to digest on uncover all facts, as I'm not one to jump to hasty conclusions. In hindsight, of course the majority of the blame lies with the maniac who was trying to splatter that poor woman's brains all over the floor. It's good that he's dead. It's easy to point out now that it could have been handled better. Unfortunately shooters with AR-15's are the norm in US society, so when a call is put in that there's an active shooting in process , this is the type of response you can expect from police. This cant absolve them of all responsibility when things go wrong either. I see Ben Crump is involved so this will turn into an issue of race and $$$$, when it should be about neither. RIP to the girl. Not sure if there are enough adults left on this forum to have a meaningful discussion about this issue. I'm not optimistic.
 
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MrSquished

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Good lord. Anyone who takes the time to type out the word "Amerikkka" and then hits the post button, has got to be one of the stupidest people on the internet. Thanks for the laugh.


Of course you don't read the article, because why inform yourself? It's against the conservative creed

Considering the base of your party loves to look like this, that spelling is not a totally un-ironic statement:

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SmCaudata

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Good lord. Anyone who takes the time to type out the word "Amerikkka" and then hits the post button, has got to be one of the stupidest people on the internet. Thanks for the laugh.
... Not sure if there are enough adults left on this forum to have a meaningful discussion about this issue. I'm not optimistic.


Read this article then? The guy you quoted wasn't wrong. I'm assuming you are talking about yourself when you make the snide comment about lack of adults?
 

railer

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Read this article then? The guy you quoted wasn't wrong. I'm assuming you are talking about yourself when you make the snide comment about lack of adults?
So and handful of woodchucks in the middle of bumfuck are in the klan, therefore America is Amerikkka? I know you're not dumb enough to make that leap in logic. Go to bed and try again tomorrow. And what does that have to do with some lunatic trying to beat some woman to death, and some 14YO girl getting accidentally shot? Jesus Christ this forum is unhinged.
 
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SmCaudata

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So and handful of woodchucks in the middle of bumfuck are in the klan, therefore America is Amerikkka? I know you're not dumb enough to make that leap in logic. Go to bed and try again tomorrow. And what does that have to do with some lunatic trying to beat some woman to death, and some 14YO girl getting accidentally shot? Jesus Christ this forum is unhinged.

You attacked the guy for saying Amerikkka claiming it was a ridiculous statement. Now I give you evidence that points to fairly widespread normalization of this shit and you call me dumb and dismiss it. The truth is that racism and fascism have existed forever in America. Modern day Republicans have allowed it to fester and see the light, rather than keep it buried. We've seen rises in hate crimes that have coincided with the rise of Trump and his stances. This is all verifiable.

Then at the end, you say the forum is unhinged when someone calls you out. This is another Truno tactic to insult and diminish the person making you look wrong.

Anyway. Maybe when you are ready to use facts and data rather than insults, whattaboutism and unsubstantiated claims you'll find us all less unhinged.
 

JEDIYoda

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What has been reported is that the officer who fired the 3 shots was told by several of his peers to slow down.... several times.....
Even his fellow cops were telling him to slow down......and people wonder why there is a disconnect between the general public and "law" enforcement....
 
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