Landover Baptist

[Crypticburn]

Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3

Originally posted by: Crypticburn

Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3

This is my point. Your original post leads one to believe that the Ten Commandments are not being followed because they are outdated and call for stoning. My point is simply that the Ten Commandments themselves do not call for any punishment. The Mosaic Law is loosely based on the Ten Commandments, but does not cite specific Commandments as a source for any kind of punishment.

... So we're going to apply outside beliefs to pick and choose which parts of the bible we will follow? Why follow the bible then, since we have an outside set of beliefs to determine what to believe and what not to believe?

Crypticburn

I don't follow you... How do you arrive at that conclusion based on what I have said?

What is implied by your statement (to me), is that my original statement is incorrect because we can neglect Mosaic Law(at least to the extent of it applying as a punishment for breaking the ten commandments). If we can, then we must have an outside reason to neglect it. If we cannot, then my original statement holds.

Crypticburn

 

[Flyermax2k3]

Originally posted by: Crypticburn

Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3

Originally posted by: Crypticburn

Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3

This is my point. Your original post leads one to believe that the Ten Commandments are not being followed because they are outdated and call for stoning. My point is simply that the Ten Commandments themselves do not call for any punishment. The Mosaic Law is loosely based on the Ten Commandments, but does not cite specific Commandments as a source for any kind of punishment.

... So we're going to apply outside beliefs to pick and choose which parts of the bible we will follow? Why follow the bible then, since we have an outside set of beliefs to determine what to believe and what not to believe?

Crypticburn

I don't follow you... How do you arrive at that conclusion based on what I have said?

What is implied by your statement (to me), is that my original statement is incorrect because we can neglect Mosaic Law. If we can, then we must have an outside reason to neglect it. If we cannot, then my original statement holds.

Crypticburn

This was not the intent of my post. I'm sorry if I didn't make it clear. Just because you interpret the wrong meaning doesn't validate your earlier statement, however. Nowhere did I say the Mosaic Law is invalid, simply that it is not in and of itself the Ten Commandments.
Perhaps I'm nit-picking, but my point is that you are lumping the Ten Commandments and the Mosaic Law together as the same thing, which they are not. The Mosaic Law is based on the Ten Commandments, but does not cite specific Commandments as sources.

 

[luv2chill]

Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3
Nice selective memory there, luv2chill. How nice of you to remember an isolated incident which I admitted was wrong and apologized for multiple times. How forgiving of you.

Don't give yourself too much credit there (although I'm sure you will anyway). You apologized once in the thread that I could find, and once is enough, as long as you were apologizing for YOUR sake (because you indeed thought it was wrong) as opposed to appeasing someone who took issue with your offensive comments.

I'm not trying to pick on you, but you are so uber-righteous (even to the point where other Christians on the board argue with you constantly) that you are an easy target because, fact is that you are just as sinful as anyone else here. Spouting off about how Islamics are "rarely" persecuted whilst Christians are sh!t upon constantly was just so much BS. Perhaps that would be true if ATOT was the real world, but as I've already pointed out, this place is a microcosm of nerdy types who definitely don't represent the US as a whole.

I'm sure Christians don't like to be persecuted... I'm sure it hurts and feels very wrong from your perspective. Well, join the club. Upper-Class White Christian Males are the only ones left who feel little to no persecution in our society so if Landover Baptist wants to show them how it feels then so be it. I, for one, think it's the wrong tack because Upper-class White Christian Males don't respond to Landover by saying "Gee, I see their point. Perhaps the way this site makes me feel is comparable to the way my actions make others feel." Sadly, their response is anger which is rarely productive in the long run. Then they hoot and hollar about why it's acceptable to make fun of Christians.

However, if you follow Jesus (which any self-professing Christian should have as his aim) then you realise that the persecution should only make you stronger. Jesus didn't whine endlessly about how people were making fun of him and attacking him. Hell, he didn't even fight back or make snide remarks in an attempt to win a "verbal" war. He simply realised that winning these battles wasn't what was important. I think, on the whole, Christians largely fail to see that.

It's an interesting dilemma that comes up all the time. Who do you blame for Landover Baptist's site? The people that run it? Or the ammo they have with which to create it? Do you blame Hitler for Nazi Germany, or Germans who ate up his Nationalist rhetoric? It's tricky but it merits some thought. Perhaps Human Nature (the same human nature to which you and I are both subject) deserves the blame in cases such as this. But the problem most people have with that conclusion is that it makes you just as guilty as I. Doesn't necessarily make it untrue though.

l2c

 

[Flyermax2k3]

Originally posted by: luv2chill

Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3
Nice selective memory there, luv2chill. How nice of you to remember an isolated incident which I admitted was wrong and apologized for multiple times. How forgiving of you.

Don't give yourself too much credit there (although I'm sure you will anyway). You apologized once in the thread that I could find, and once is enough, as long as you were apologizing for YOUR sake (because you indeed thought it was wrong) as opposed to appeasing someone who took issue with your offensive comments.

I'm not trying to pick on you, but you are so uber-righteous (even to the point where other Christians on the board argue with you constantly) that you are an easy target because, fact is that you are just as sinful as anyone else here. Spouting off about how Islamics are "rarely" persecuted whilst Christians are sh!t upon constantly was just so much BS. Perhaps that would be true if ATOT was the real world, but as I've already pointed out, this place is a microcosm of nerdy types who definitely don't represent the US as a whole.

I'm sure Christians don't like to be persecuted... I'm sure it hurts and feels very wrong from your perspective. Well, join the club. Upper-Class White Christian Males are the only ones left who feel little to no persecution in our society so if Landover Baptist wants to show them how it feels then so be it. I, for one, think it's the wrong tack because Upper-class White Christian Males don't respond to Landover by saying "Gee, I see their point. Perhaps the way this site makes me feel is comparable to the way my actions make others feel." Sadly, their response is anger which is rarely productive in the long run. Then they hoot and hollar about why it's acceptable to make fun of Christians.

However, if you follow Jesus (which any self-professing Christian should have as his aim) then you realise that the persecution should only make you stronger. Jesus didn't whine endlessly about how people were making fun of him and attacking him. Hell, he didn't even fight back or make snide remarks in an attempt to win a "verbal" war. He simply realised that winning these battles wasn't what was important. I think, on the whole, Christians largely fail to see that.

It's an interesting dilemma that comes up all the time. Who do you blame for Landover Baptist's site? The people that run it? Or the ammo they have with which to create it? Do you blame Hitler for Nazi Germany, or Germans who ate up his Nationalist rhetoric? It's tricky but it merits some thought. Perhaps Human Nature (the same human nature to which you and I are both subject) deserves the blame in cases such as this. But the problem most people have with that conclusion is that it makes you just as guilty as I. Doesn't necessarily make it untrue though.

l2c

l2c, I apologized numerous times in that thread and admitted wrong-doing. Not once have I stated that I sin less than anyone on this board. Not once have I stated that "Christians are persecuted more than Muslims" - simply that it is popular today to bash Christians and accept all other religions (among the mainstream anyway).
Please stop putting words in my mouth, so to speak.

 

[Crypticburn]

Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3

This is my point. Your original post leads one to believe that the Ten Commandments are not being followed because they are outdated and call for stoning. My point is simply that the Ten Commandments themselves do not call for any punishment. The Mosaic Law is loosely based on the Ten Commandments, but does not cite specific Commandments as a source for any kind of punishment.

I see what the problem is. This is not my statement. I was pointing out that modern society has grown past things such as mosaic law (which happen to apply to the ten commandments). Modern society has also moved past many of the other outdated ideas presented in the bible. I probably should have spent more time clarifying that society has moved past stoning/etc. as a punishment (as specifically used as a punishment for breaking the first seven commandments).

My Mistake... But I would add that the ten commandments are not being followed because they are outdated (except for those stolen from other religions/belief systems, ie. "Thou Shall Not Steal")

Crypticburn

 

[Flyermax2k3]

Originally posted by: Crypticburn

Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3

This is my point. Your original post leads one to believe that the Ten Commandments are not being followed because they are outdated and call for stoning. My point is simply that the Ten Commandments themselves do not call for any punishment. The Mosaic Law is loosely based on the Ten Commandments, but does not cite specific Commandments as a source for any kind of punishment.

I see what the problem is. This is not my statement. I was pointing out that modern society has grown past things such as mosaic law (which happen to apply to the ten commandments). Modern society has also moved past many of the other outdated ideas presented in the bible. I probably should have spent more time clarifying that society has moved past stoning/etc. as a punishment (as specifically used as a punishment for breaking the first seven commandments).

My Mistake... But I would add that the ten commandments are not being followed because they are outdated (except for those stolen from other religions/belief systems, ie. "Thou Shall Not Steal")

Crypticburn

Ok, thanks for clearing that up. I agree that people today do not follow the Mosaic Law or the Ten Commandments. I don't think that's a good thing, however.

 

[luv2chill]

Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3
l2c, I apologized numerous times in that thread and admitted wrong-doing.

No, you apologized once in the thread. Then you referred back to that one apology a couple of times just as you've done in this thread. Saying "I've already apologzed" does not equate to another apology. Go back and read that thread for yourself. I've already said though that one apology was enough so long as it was sincere. However, I live by a principle called forgive but do not forget. The fact that you made that comment about towelheads and then had the audacity to imply that Christians are ridiculed undeservedly just smacked of so much hipocrisy that I felt the need to point it out to you lest YOU forget.

Not once have I stated that I sin less than anyone on this board.

no, but your ultra-righteous tone and post-content speaks a thousand words. Many people have pointed that out to you, so I know I'm not alone here. If you can't see your own indignation then please look harder because it's right there in plain view and it ain't pretty.

Not once have I stated that "Christians are persecuted more than Muslims" - simply that it is popular today to bash Christians and accept all other religions (among the mainstream anyway).

Let's not argue semantics, OK? What you said was this:

It's very rare that you'll see anyone bashing Islam or Hinduism but it's ever-so-popular and P.C. to bash Christians and Jews.

There it is. So if it's "very rare" to see anyone bashing Muslims but "ever so popular" to bash Christians does that not mean the same thing as saying that "Christians are persecuted more than Muslims"? Or do you not equate bashing with persecution? If that's the case, check dictionary.com

l2c

 

[RabidMongoose]

I don't know about you guys, but I think it's pretty common to see 'Islam bashing' around. Maybe you don't see a lot of Hindu bashing since it isn't in the news much and the people aren't running around passing bibles and pamphlets everywhere.

 

[Flyermax2k3]

Originally posted by: luv2chill

Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3
l2c, I apologized numerous times in that thread and admitted wrong-doing.

No, you apologized once in the thread. Then you referred back to that one apology a couple of times just as you've done in this thread. Saying "I've already apologzed" does not equate to another apology. Go back and read that thread for yourself. I've already said though that one apology was enough so long as it was sincere. However, I live by a principle called forgive but do not forget. The fact that you made that comment about towelheads and then had the audacity to imply that Christians are ridiculed undeservedly just smacked of so much hipocrisy that I felt the need to point it out to you lest YOU forget.

Not once have I stated that I sin less than anyone on this board.

no, but your ultra-righteous tone and post-content speaks a thousand words. Many people have pointed that out to you, so I know I'm not alone here. If you can't see your own indignation then please look harder because it's right there in plain view and it ain't pretty.

Not once have I stated that "Christians are persecuted more than Muslims" - simply that it is popular today to bash Christians and accept all other religions (among the mainstream anyway).

Let's not argue semantics, OK? What you said was this:

It's very rare that you'll see anyone bashing Islam or Hinduism but it's ever-so-popular and P.C. to bash Christians and Jews.

There it is. So if it's "very rare" to see anyone bashing Muslims but "ever so popular" to bash Christians does that not mean the same thing as saying that "Christians are persecuted more than Muslims"? Or do you not equate bashing with persecution? If that's the case, check dictionary.com

l2c

I'm going to ignore your comments about that *isolated* incident. What's done is done and I, for one, don't live in the past. Perhaps you should just move on?
I should clarify my last statement regarding it being popular to bash Christians/Jews and not other religions.
I don't equate bashing with persecution. Bashing is simply making fun of someone, whereas persecution is more along the lines of burning down churches, preventing a group from participating in any aspects of society, and killing/harming said group of people.
As far as bashing goes, most people you see bashing religions other than Christianity are right wing, and most people bashing Christianity but not other religions are left wing. The majority of the world is left wing. The majority of the world, therefore, bashes Christians but not other religions.

 

[Flyermax2k3]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
I don't know about you guys, but I think it's pretty common to see 'Islam bashing' around. Maybe you don't see a lot of Hindu bashing since it isn't in the news much and the people aren't running around passing bibles and pamphlets everywhere.

It depends on where you are in the world. If you live in the U.S., I think you're more likely to see Muslim-bashing than anywhere else in the world. Everywhere else you go you're more likely to see people bashing Christians/Jews.

 

[MercenaryForHire]

/pulls up the lawnchair

:beer:😀:beer:

- M4H

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
I don't know about you guys, but I think it's pretty common to see 'Islam bashing' around. Maybe you don't see a lot of Hindu bashing since it isn't in the news much and the people aren't running around passing bibles and pamphlets everywhere.

It depends on where you are in the world. If you live in the U.S., I think you're more likely to see Muslim-bashing than anywhere else in the world. Everywhere else you go you're more likely to see people bashing Christians/Jews.

I'm not sure how equal the bashing is outside of the US, but I'd say that many religions (not just the two you mention) would be hated in other places.

However, here in the US, I'd say that Islam is more 'bashed' than Christianity. People are going to bash Islam b/c of the recent events. Christianity b/c of the actions of some. Hinduism, Buddhism, etc. aren't exactly very vocal or in the news much. Half of this country is probably too busy eating big macs to even know what Hinduism is.

 

[Vortex22]

Keep on thumpin' those bibles, boys!

 

[luv2chill]

The points I was trying to make through all of this:

1. Christ himself didn't bitch and moan about how mean it was to persecute him and his followers. He took it like a man and still won out (or so the story goes). Christians are followers of the guy yet many (dare I say most) don't seem to admire or desire to emulate his behavior/attitude in this regard. Puzzling.

2. Christians are feeling the persecution/bashing to which we are all subject as human beings living on this earth. Christians aren't likely to find any sympathy because a lot of the heat Christians take for being Christian stems from their own inability to emulate the man they worship (and as a result, the bashings to which they themselves contribute).

3. Whining about persecution is fruitless because as human beings, the domain of our control ends at our own skin. Is it better to carry on about how much better the world would be if Christians weren't bashed or simply better to realise that all you can do is make sure that you don't cheapen your POV by bashing other religions or groups of people (or bashing any individual person for that matter). Jesus truly led his life BY EXAMPLE. It's high time his followers did the same. That tactic is so much more effective, and it actually does have a chance of effecting real change as opposed to complaining to denizens of a geek forum (or preaching to anyone about anything). Geez, if Christians actually acted like Christ they might manage to convince some atheists that there may be something to that "God" thing after all.

Just some food for thought.

l2c

 

[Mani]

Originally posted by: HotChic
Why is it that a site so derogatory to one group gets by when it would be considered terrible if it was directed towards another group? Sites comprable to the Landover Baptist site that target minority racial groups, for example, would never be tolerated by the majority of people who are amused by Landover. A site satirizing stereotypes of blacks or gays would never be as widely accepted by the members of this forum as Landover is.

As a Christian, I see where Landover is so outlandish that some parts can be funny. The disdain and outright hatred that the site broadcasts towards Christians begins to scare me though. It's quite easy to write it off as humor and leave it be, but I find it comprable to Nazi propaganda against Jews. That propaganda was distributed in a society where Jews were free, as Christians are free now, and ended in a horrific fashion.

I view hate as hate, no matter what group it is directed at. Why is the hatred towards Christians that is expressed at Landover more acceptable than hatred directed at any other religious or racial group? Perpetuating inaccurate stereotypes is never a healthy thing for a culture, no matter what the subject of the stereotypes is.

I'm interested to hear responses in defense of Landover by those who both enjoy the site and find it harmless. I'm also interested to hear the response of those who err on the side of Landover's bitterness towards Christianity and find the hate justified.

I think you're way off with the Nazi germany example. One key difference is ther Jews were in the minority in Germany - it is much easier to successfully stereotype and demonize a minority than a majority like Christians in the US. Another difference is that the demonizing of Jews was a concerted effort at all levels of government and commerce in germany -not even remotely comparable to a couple satirical internet sites.

 

[Howard]

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: HotChic
Justice, but mercy triumphs over justice, neh? 😉

1) Not in the real world, honey.

So we should just accept that? I think not.

ZV

Just stating the truth, not my particular slant on things. In the ideal world, mercy and compassion would triumph over violence and hatred every time.

But unfortunately, we live in a world where the Backstreet Boys are multi-platinum.

- M4H

My point was more that we should be working towards that world where mercy and compassion triumph. Will the world ever become as such? Nearly impossible, but if even one more person chooses mercy and compassion over hatred and violence and revenge then the world is improved.

ZV

"You must be the change you wish to see in the world." - Ghandi

 

[przero]

I love the hypocrisy you people use. Tolerance!!! that's the cry around here. Unless of course it's for "Christians"! Then and only then is intoleration acceptable. Most people listen to the quotations of 2 or 3 radio/TV preachers on CNN and proceed to bash all of Christianity. granted there are wackos in every religion and every other walk of life. You should not however base your treatment of those groups on the deeds of the few. But my main question is why bother to mock, what you don't believe?

"Methinks ye doth protest to much"?

But that's just the thought of an "intolerant" Southern Baptist. As an aside, during the Southern Baptist convention in 2002, there was a group of Pro-Choice supporters protesting at the convention center. It was brutally hot that day. A couple of the Pastors in that conference bought cold Cokes outside to the protestors. Hardly, a sign of "intolerance".

You judge a tree by the fruit it produces!

 

[0roo0roo]

landover baptist is a satire website. to poke fun isn't hatred, they don't say christians are evil, they poke fun at certain christians intolerant beliefs. just as you could and probably should with any other group that had intolerant beliefs.

don't even pretend its one sided. Pat Robertson has a tv network that pushes his beliefs. A man that calls Hindus devil worshippers, Muslims insane, prespaterians representatives of the antichrist.

when you have falwell blaming homosexuals for 9/11, land over baptist is the last thing you should worry about.