Land Rover Vs Motorbikes in NYC

[Dari]

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[WilliamM2]

Lying about what?

Tough time following the conversation?

I've done it on many occasions. Like I said, these bikers are always doing something in the City.

You are the ignorant one if you can't talk your way out of a situation like this. I have and it's not hard.

have you been in Mr. Lien's situation? No? I have and I completely disagree with you. STFU if you don't have the experience to back up your dumb assumptions.

All lies. You have never been in a situation like this.

 

[PliotronX]

Might just be the most ignorant post I have read on any forum...

I had to reread it before I believed you but I concur. Enraged idiots do not listen to reason.

 

[Dari]

Tough time following the conversation?








All lies. You have never been in a situation like this.

And you know this how? Come to NYC during the Puerto Rican Day parade in June, Dominican Day parade in August and West Indies Day Parade and you will see what I'm talking about. Try going to Harlem or Brooklyn on those days and you will encounter these bikers. It's a fact of life.

 

[Doppel]

Was he being attacked in the beginning?

Forcing somebody on a public road to a stop and then surrounding them is an attack in my books. He was attacked and responded with superior force.

 

[WilliamM2]

And you know this how? Come to NYC during the Puerto Rican Day parade in June, Dominican Day parade in August and West Indies Day Parade and you will see what I'm talking about. Try going to Harlem or Brooklyn on those days and you will encounter these bikers. It's a fact of life.

I don't doubt the bikers exist, I've seen the videos. The lie is that you have talked them out of confrontations "on many occasions". It's a load of obvious BS.

 

[akugami]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4FX8X-VGhY

This is for the posters trying to excuse what these scumbags were doing.

Start paying attention at the 40 second mark. Look at about about the 44 second mark of that video in the link. You see someone trying to pull open the driver door. Obviously the video is jerky and not too clear, especially with the glare and distance and the people blocking the view but if you expand the size of the video, you can see them trying to pull open the door. I expanded the video to the size of my monitor (27" 2560x1440) and I can clearly see them trying to pull open the driver door. There is ZERO reason to try to open the car door of the SUV. None.

Those scums weren't there to talk. If you wanted to talk, they would have just sent one guy and calmly wait for him to open his window so they could talk.

1) The motorcyclists clearly caused the accident by brake checking the SUV and 2) They were trying to intimidate the SUV driver after the accident happened, possibly beat the shit out of him, before the SUV driver got scared and took off.

If you still refuse to admit the evidence in the video then you're an apologist for those jackasses and no better than they are.

I for one am glad this guy Jay Mieses has now traded in one set of wheels for another. I only wish the rest of those scumbags had the same fate. Diana Mieses says her husband Jay is not part of a gang. He's such a loving person that he has a very long criminal record that includes drugs, guns, resisting arrest, and minor stuff like traffic violations. If you ask me, I think Lien did the world a favor by removing this scumbag from actively harming society ever again.

And even Hell's Angel's members are condemning the actions of these motorcyclists if that tells you anything.


To the undercover cop, fuck you. Seriously. Fuck you. You should have called the cops when things looked like it was going to get out of control. You had a chance to help diffuse the situation. You stood there and watched. You did not report it to your superiors until 4 days later when you were fingered for being at the scene.

 

[Dari]

Forcing somebody on a public road to a stop and then surrounding them is an attack in my books. He was attacked and responded with superior force.

Well, that's just your opinion and it means nothing legally...

I don't doubt the bikers exist, I've seen the videos. The lie is that you have talked them out of confrontations "on many occasions". It's a load of obvious BS.

Don't know what else to tell you, asshole. There's a Target in Spanish Harlem that I like to go to since Walmart is barred from NYC and I don't like paying tolls to go to NJ. There's also a Pathmark in Harlem since the one on Cherry Street closed down after Donald Trump bought the land. That puts me in Harlem more often than not and it means talking to these knuckleheads...

 

[Ns1]

Goddamn I'm over this guy


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[Dari]

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You and Zeze must be of Asian stock. Now I know why Chinese, Koreans, and Japanese can't come to an understanding. You guys don't like to hear opinions that goes contrary to your established views.

NO. Not here. Take some time off to reevaluate your thoughts and the advisibility of posting them here vs not posting here at all.
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[akugami]

@Dari

Even for off topic this is going overboard. That's a clearly racist comment.

 

[WilliamM2]

Don't know what else to tell you, asshole.

Tell me more lies...

 

[cliftonite]

You and Zeze must be of Asian stock. Now I know why Chinese, Koreans, and Japanese can't come to an understanding. You guys don't like to hear opinions that goes contrary to your established views.

wtf?

 

[cliftonite]

Why don't you go fuck yourself and let others decide whether or not to engage with me in conversation? Or create a new thread about your goddamn honeymoon like some attention-whore housewife while the adults debate this...

Wow are you jealous?

 

[Ns1]

someone's raging tonight.

 

[rh71]

I didn't see that. Not sure how you saw someone do that from that distance but I think you or the other person made up that scenario...

so you didn't see the guy make any aggressive & destructive motion right at that mark? You're a joke. Keep lying to yourself. 😀

 

[Dari]

Wow are you jealous?

Jealous? WTF would I be jealous? I'm happy that someone that ugly was able to find a partner. But am I the only one who witnessed the entire progression of his marriage on Anandtech and found it annoying? From the finding the engagement ring to the proposal to finding a place to hold the wedding to the marriage to where they should go for the honeymoon. GOD DAMN. It's as if he has no friends.

Anyway, back on topic. Here is a more balanced article regarding the incident. Again, if Lien had been more intelligent, he wouldn't have gotten into so much hot water. Remember, Lien's legal troubles are just beginning. He may be charged over this. And it could be serious.

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In attack, can bikers get a fair shake?

(CNN) -- New York prosecutors dropped charges against one of two men arrested in a chaotic motorcycle chase that ended in the beating of SUV driver Alexian Lien. It started when his Range Rover collided with a motorcycle in a phalanx riding down a Manhattan highway on Sunday. Video, taken by a camera on the helmet of one of the many bikers who chased Lien as he sped away, shows bikers catching up with Lien's SUV and bashing its windows.

This has brought bikers under intense scrutiny. But I'll say it: Motorbike enthusiasts, on the whole, get a bad rap. A minority of them cause trouble, sometimes a lot of trouble, which causes an undeserved prejudice against the majority. And that prejudice can subtly influence law enforcement, just as it can the public at large.

Bikers have a rich history of misbehavior. In the most infamous case, the Rolling Stones hired the Hell's Angels to provide security at a concert in 1969 at Altamont, California. A member of the audience was killed by a gang member, reaffirming the bikers' reputation as thugs.

Most bikers who tarnish motorcyclists' reputation commit far less dramatic and tragic acts. Riders do themselves no good when they remove the perfectly operational mufflers from their bike for maximum urban volume or pop wheelies in a downtown metropolis.

At minimum, these riders are massively annoying, and at worst, they are very dangerous. Either way, the bias against many is caused by the few.

The transgressions of a few bikers do not represent the true biker spirit, which is a celebrated part of Americana. Like the cowboys and horsemen of the frontier, riding the open road exemplifies the rugged individualist tradition of our country. But like many issues in society and law, often the actions of few negatively affect the policies applied to the rest of us.

How important is bias? The arrest, and the almost immediate dropping of charges, demonstrate how fine the line is between "criminal" and "victim" in a police investigation.

Bias works both ways. Have you noticed that every news story has mentioned "Range Rover" several times? What if the Range Rover was a Lamborghini? How about a 1980 Ford Pinto? Would that make the driver more sympathetic to you? Less sympathetic? Bias is intrinsically neither evil nor good. It just is.

How fine is the line between victim and defendant? Consider how the law might apply to these facts:

First, in the video, a motorcyclist appears to deliberately slow down in front of the SUV, which then collides with the cycle. The law in most states presumptively holds the rear ending vehicle liable. If the driver in front makes a sudden stop, that can overcome this presumption. But in the case of rear enders, even defense attorneys will often concede liability, so it's certainly possible that a jury could find Lien completely at fault for an accident.

Second, as bikers surround his vehicle, Lien speeds away. As he drives off, motorcyclist Jeremiah Mieses is run over in the chaos. Mieses remains hospitalized with two broken legs and spinal injuries and might be paralyzed for life. Those are very serious injuries under any civil standard or penal code.

If it's proven that Lien ran over Mieses, he could be considered a "fleeing felon." New York, like other states, criminalizes leaving the scene of a motor vehicle accident. In a case like this, in which someone is seriously injured, flight is a potential felony. So was Lien fleeing for his life, or was he a fleeing felon?

Third, it's true that a lot of bikers gave chase. Was this alone permissible? In New York, a citizen acting on his own may use non-deadly force to prevent the escape of a person who has committed a crime. Lien's tires were slashed and his windows bashed in. Was that appropriate force? Those acts themselves are non-deadly. If so, were the bikers apprehending a fleeing criminal within the law?

Finally, if any of the bikers charged claim they were justified in preventing the escape of a criminal, the burden is on the prosecution to disprove it and disprove it beyond a reasonable doubt.

Police officers have the unenviable task of making snap judgments under chaotic circumstances. They're human, as is their process of assigning blame. New York Police Commissioner Ray Kelly says the investigation is continuing. More arrests on more serious charges may follow.

Motorcyclist Christopher Cruz faces reckless driving charges after police say he was the one who slowed down in front of Lien's SUV and touched off the whole bloody encounter. Nobody has been charged yet in the actual beating that sent Lien to the hospital, but Cruz's attorney has told reporters that his client is not guilty.

What would you do? Whoever is charged, you have this dilemma. Party No. 1, a young male member of a noisy biker rally carving up the West Side Highway vs Party No. 2, a 33-year-old dad out for a Sunday drive with his wife and baby. Who do you think gets the benefit of the doubt in a close call? That's bias. It's not intentional, and it's not categorically evil. It just is.

But a lot of people don't realize that there's often a fine line between criminal and complaining witness in our criminal justice system. The proliferation of technology and video evidence has made investigations more objective, but it's unreasonable to think humans can cure themselves of all prejudice.

Are bikers discriminated against unfairly? Maybe. But the alternative for them is taking up a less controversial pastime, and I don't see them trading their rides for golf clubs anytime soon.

 

[Dari]

so you didn't see the guy make any aggressive & destructive motion right at that mark? You're a joke. Keep lying to yourself. 😀

I guess you telling me what you saw is the truth and what I said I saw is a lie, right?

 

[rh71]

I guess you telling me what you saw is the truth and what I said I saw is a lie, right?

You are an amazing human being. 😀

 

[2timer]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4FX8X-VGhY

This is for the posters trying to excuse what these scumbags were doing.

Start paying attention at the 40 second mark. Look at about about the 44 second mark of that video in the link. You see someone trying to pull open the driver door. Obviously the video is jerky and not too clear, especially with the glare and distance and the people blocking the view but if you expand the size of the video, you can see them trying to pull open the door. I expanded the video to the size of my monitor (27" 2560x1440) and I can clearly see them trying to pull open the driver door. There is ZERO reason to try to open the car door of the SUV. None.

Those scums weren't there to talk. If you wanted to talk, they would have just sent one guy and calmly wait for him to open his window so they could talk.

1) The motorcyclists clearly caused the accident by brake checking the SUV and 2) They were trying to intimidate the SUV driver after the accident happened, possibly beat the shit out of him, before the SUV driver got scared and took off.

If you still refuse to admit the evidence in the video then you're an apologist for those jackasses and no better than they are.

I for one am glad this guy Jay Mieses has now traded in one set of wheels for another. I only wish the rest of those scumbags had the same fate. Diana Mieses says her husband Jay is not part of a gang. He's such a loving person that he has a very long criminal record that includes drugs, guns, resisting arrest, and minor stuff like traffic violations. If you ask me, I think Lien did the world a favor by removing this scumbag from actively harming society ever again.

And even Hell's Angel's members are condemning the actions of these motorcyclists if that tells you anything.


To the undercover cop, fuck you. Seriously. Fuck you. You should have called the cops when things looked like it was going to get out of control. You had a chance to help diffuse the situation. You stood there and watched. You did not report it to your superiors until 4 days later when you were fingered for being at the scene.

Akugami I have to agree with you. At 0:44 I can clearly see a man in a white shirt jerk back violently. It appears like he's trying to yank the door open.

I'm wondering though, at 5:00 you see another biker who opens the door easily. If this biker at 0:44 is trying to open the door, why doesn't it open? Is the RR driver holding it closed?

The more that comes out of this story, the less inclined I am to doubt that the bikers deserved what they got. Fair is fair. If you start trouble, then you shouldn't cry when you get trouble. Some facts I know now:

1. There was an undercover cop among the bikers who did nothing while the man was dragged out of his car and beaten.

2. The biker who smashed the window with his helmet is 38 year old Reginald Chance. According to a report I saw on Inside Edition, he works at a sandwich shop and has over 20 arrests on his record for prior crimes.

At this point, I feel like anything other than absolving Mr. Lien of any wrongdoing would be a great injustice. And I was skeptical at first, but now I'm fairly certain this is the right outcome.

 

[Svnla]

<snip>
At this point, I feel like anything other than absolving Mr. Lien of any wrongdoing would be a great injustice. And I was skeptical at first, but now I'm fairly certain this is the right outcome.

As you said before in your previous post to me, you want to know the facts. So far, we do NOT have any evidences to show that Mr. Lien was the aggressor and the bikers were the victims but otherwise.

More and more, we have more videos, pictures, social media posts, etc. to show that the bikers were the ones that started the whole thing and Mr. Lien was the victim and was afraid for his life and his family members safety. Anyone with the right mind would understand, I know that I would do the same thing but I would spin my vehicle and would not let anyone get in until the end.

Since the undercover cop was at the ride, then we will see what he will have to say who started what and who attacked who.

 

[aceO07]

http://www.carscoops.com/2013/10/injured-biker-mieses-did-not-have-ma.html

The Boston-based news daily also discovered the following information about Mieses:

"Since 1999, he has been ticketed by police 16 times, in Lawrence, Methuen, Roxbury, Andover, and New Hampshire, according to registry records. In June, the Registry notified the National Driver Register that Mieses was a habitual traffic offender whose right to drive in Massachusetts was revoked until 2017, records show."

 

[iGas]

http://bostonherald.com/news_opinio.../run_over_mass_biker_has_long_criminal_record

The Lawrence motor*cyclist struck and paralyzed as a desperate SUV driver tried to escape the rage of other bikers in New York on Sunday has a six-page criminal record that began at age 12 with a negligent driving charge and includes jail time for drugs, guns, resisting arrest and other convictions, according to court records.

Edwin Mieses, 32, never got a driver’s license in the Bay State, the Registry of Motor Vehicles said, but he was frequently nabbed behind the wheel, and even sentenced to jail for driving without a license, court records show. Mieses has a pending case out of Lawrence District Court for driving suspended, subsequent offense, said Carrie Kimball Monihan, spokeswoman for the Essex County District Attorney’s Office. Mieses also has 15 guilty findings for criminal offenses including distribution of cocaine, possession of a firearm without a permit, knowingly receiving stolen property, resisting arrest and several motor vehicle violations, court records show.

Mieses was sentenced to jail in 2004 for distribution of cocaine, in 2001 for operating without a license, in 2000 for possession of a firearm, and in 1999 for possession of marijuana, receiving stolen property, destruction of property and attaching plates, according to court records.

 

[jingramm]

I wish the entire gang of losers found in the video would've been rounded up and thrown into jail. Based on what I've read, they add zero value to society. None.

Doesn't that Jay Mieses guy have a few kids and his occupation is "an aspiring rapper" at age near 35? Gimme a break.

 

[BUTCH1]

Jealous? WTF would I be jealous? I'm happy that someone that ugly was able to find a partner. But am I the only one who witnessed the entire progression of his marriage on Anandtech and found it annoying? From the finding the engagement ring to the proposal to finding a place to hold the wedding to the marriage to where they should go for the honeymoon. GOD DAMN. It's as if he has no friends.

Anyway, back on topic. Here is a more balanced article regarding the incident. Again, if Lien had been more intelligent, he wouldn't have gotten into so much hot water. Remember, Lien's legal troubles are just beginning. He may be charged over this. And it could be serious.

link

I've got some news for you, he has to be convicted by a jury of his peers and they can charge him all day long but he won't be convicted and shouldn't be IMHO. He has a right to be on the road with his family and not be assaulted by these scumbag coward assholes. OMG!, how dare you drive your SUV on OUR road!, I only wish he wiped out a couple dozen more of the scum..