Lamborghini performance for less?

[dpodblood]

I was just thinking about how much it would actually cost to modify a typical road car up to the performance level of something like a Gallardo or an F430? When I say performance I mean give it similar handling, braking, acceleration, top speed, etc to the point that it could actually compete with an exotic supercar on a track? What would you use as a base car, and what modifications would you add in order to increase performance to this level? What are the advantages/disadvantages of modding a car up to this performance level vs simply buying a purpose built sports car/exotic?

 

[Fenixgoon]

C6 corvette Z06 = </thread>. no need to modify anything. they can be had for about 30-40k now (older ones, that is).

 

[Doppel]

C6 corvette Z06 = </thread>. no need to modify anything. they can be had for about 30-40k now (older ones, that is).

Or at least a Viper. The lambos are fast but most of them have such a high price tag in part because of the name.

 

[mmntech]

http://www.arielatom.com/

 

[Skurge]

Well lambos and ferrari's can be quick...... for a few laps. Most supercars will overheat after a few laps of hard driving.

So your modded car just needs to compete for a couple of laps.

ofcourse it's much harder to to build a car like this. These are the only cars I know that can do this.

http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/...urburgring-24-hour-race-then-drives-home.html

 

[dpodblood]

From what I've heard the Corvette and Viper do make good track cars, but do they really have the performance of a Lamborghini? In a race would those cars really have a chance against high end exotics? I am talking about a track race (like Leguna Seca, Spa, or Nuremberg)?

 

[Paul98]

Not only does it have a chance but the Corvette would win

 

[manimal]

One could really drop a 350 in a S chassis or Miata or FD or or one of dozens of tuner cars with suspension and speed mods and have power to weight of a Lambo or better.


Hell a proper FD with some tasty mods or even my 300zx will take a F430 or a gallardo on power to weight. Sure the Lambo will have more electronic goodies but I can add that to my car for 1200 bucks with one call to race logic.

The corner speeds of the lambo may be a little highter but with the right suspension setup you can get there.

One of the reasons I love my Z and 13 is I have 90 percent of the performance of a supercar for less than 10k per car.

Wouldnt be that hard for most of us here to get close to that kind of performance for 10k walking into a speed shop and paying close to retail.

If your handy you could do it for alot less.


The rabbit hole runs deep though. There is alot to be said about buying a car thats stock and gets you there but thats gonna cost you.


We had an ariel atom at my shop this week and the owner let me take it for a spin after we did its service and wow what a go cart.

 

[96Firebird]

From what I've heard the Corvette and Viper do make good track cars, but do they really have the performance of a Lamborghini? In a race would those cars really have a chance against high end exotics? I am talking about a track race (like Leguna Seca, Spa, or Nuremberg)?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...lap_times#Production.2C_street-legal_vehicles

 

[phucheneh]

You guys are forgetting that Lambo is pretty much synonymous with AWD anymore. While a Miata might very well eat its lunch in autocross, a big track is going to be different. Acceleration out of corners and slipperiness are both pretty relevant factors.

 

[dpodblood]

You guys are forgetting that Lambo is pretty much synonymous with AWD anymore. While a Miata might very well eat its lunch in autocross, a big track is going to be different. Acceleration out of corners and slipperiness are both pretty relevant factors.

I remember watching a comparison of a 4WD Porsche vs rear wheel drive. Both took the corners quite differently, but both ended up with the exact same lap time.

 

[phucheneh]

Well, there's always this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nürburgring_Nordschleife_lap_times

That seems to indicate that the best Lambo has to offer still kinda pales in comparison to some of the others. Gallardo Superleggera and Murcialago LP640 at ~7:40.

 

[KentState]

I'm not as familiar with the stats on the new SRT Viper, but the ZR1 is one of the best stopping cars and can run under 11 seconds in the 1/4 mile. It pulls well over 1.02G with the regular run flat Michelin's and well over 1.1G with the Sport Cup tires. The Z06 is also as capable in the braking and handling area. This is a car that has been around since '09 on a platform dating back to '05.


I know the tricked out TA Viper was able to top the ZR1 at Laguna Seca.

 

[MagickMan]

Or at least a Viper. The lambos are fast but most of them have such a high price tag in part because of the name.

and their looks, plus the fit and finish is way better.

 

[KentState]

and their looks, plus the fit and finish is way better.

Don't know about way better fit and finish. They may have fancier materials, but the Viper and Lambos are both hand stitched and hand assembled. Unless you have someone detail the paint, a Lambo or Ferrari will still have orange peal as well.

 

[Pariah]

Well, there's always this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nürburgring_Nordschleife_lap_times

That seems to indicate that the best Lambo has to offer still kinda pales in comparison to some of the others. Gallardo Superleggera and Murcialago LP640 at ~7:40.

Not really sure what this thread is about. Lamborghini has never really been about anything but top speed and looking cool. They have never been track leaders nor were they ever designed to be.

It's not hard to find factory cars under $180,000 that are faster than a Gallardo, the cheapest Lamborghini.

 

[Pariah]

and their looks, plus the fit and finish is way better.

I don't know about the Aventador, but Lamborghini has never been known for fit and finish in any of their cars previously. Quite the opposite.

 

[Jumpem]

I prefer AWD. So my picks by price would be STi -> TT RS -> GT-R.

 

[MagickMan]

Don't know about way better fit and finish. They may have fancier materials, but the Viper and Lambos are both hand stitched and hand assembled. Unless you have someone detail the paint, a Lambo or Ferrari will still have orange peal as well.

Wasn't talking paint, there isn't an automated paint system out there that doesn't have some "peel" issues. The last Z06 I checked out was really bad. I'm saying the `vette feels a little like a plastic toy compared to a Gallardo (creaky, noisy, and cheap feeling), Gallardo materials are of a higher grade and apparently superior workmanship. Now, the C7 seems to have fixed a lot of that, but the C6 had issues. No doubt they're fast, but a little "tacky".

 

[MagickMan]

I don't know about the Aventador, but Lamborghini has never been known for fit and finish in any of their cars previously. Quite the opposite.

They have since Audi took over. It's a different ballgame now.

 

[sgrinavi]

Wouldn't a GTR give similar, if not better, performance for about 1/2 the price?

Edit

Well lambos and ferrari's can be quick...... for a few laps. Most supercars will overheat after a few laps of hard driving.

So your modded car just needs to compete for a couple of laps.

I've never seen a Ferrari overheat at the track. There was an entire club down one weekend - they all ran both advanced run groups and not a single one broke down. These guys weren't shy either.

I haven't seen a lambo out there, but there's usually a couple R8's tearing the track up without overheating issues as well.

 

[exdeath]

It doesn't take much at all. The cost of those cars is prestige and badge whoring/status/exclusivity plain and simple. They really aren't and never have been all that spectacular at all from a performance standpoint.

Any reasonably sporty starting platform and $10-20k will get you there easily. Hell you dont even need that if all you want is 500+ HP, 11 sec 1/4 and 1G skidpad. Plenty of STOCK cars these days that can do that.

Hell for 50k you can build a tube chassis replica supercar with a twin turbo LS3 with 1200 HP and a curb weight of 1500 lbs that will rape it n every way except bank account and exclusivity bragging rights.

 

[lavaheadache]

C6 corvette Z06 = </thread>. no need to modify anything. they can be had for about 30-40k now (older ones, that is).

This.....

 

[Phanuel]

I'm excited to see how good the new C7 will be and how affordable these will become in 3-4 years.

 

[brainhulk]

LS3 twin turbo in a na miata...lol