Lair and Heavenly sword.

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Originally posted by: Ackmed
Originally posted by: BD2003

Well, can you please explain to me what my agenda is then?

I thought I was just posting out of boredom on a message board, but apparently my lack of inclination to deeply research a post made in passing is giving you the impression that I'm a subversive agent sent to destroy something you hold dear to your heart.

I assure you thats not the case. You wanna claim victory or something? Be my guest. Theres just no need to be such a dick about it.

Pretty easy to see your agenda was so put down the game.

I dont care about "victory", its not about that. But dont go slandering a title, or just in general making false statements when you have no facts to back them up with. You claimed several reviews said it was a "rent only title", when in fact, you never read these alleged reviews. There was really no need to say it, when its not true.

I've NEVER said it was a bad game. Just not worth buying.

At the end of IGNs video review, he states "So, if you really just want a hack and slash game to go through, and something pretty to look at, the game is only like 6 hours, so you can easily beat it as a rental. And its worth doing that, unfortunately its just not as good as everyone had hoped it would be." So no, I didnt read the review, I watched it. Sue me.

I'm sorry, but no game, no matter how good it is, is worth spending $60 on it if its only 6 hours long, which often consists of repetitive arena battles. Thats exactly the kind of game you should rent, because you'll be done with it in a day. It might be a hell of a day, but I'd expect more for $60. Even if no one else had said its only worth a rental, I'd still be saying it myself.

Thats my opinion. You can call it slander, bias or an agenda if you want.
 

Ackmed

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So now its down to one review, and not several? Why didnt you just say that, instead of lying about it, and saying several did? You're also under the mis assumption that it will be 6 hours long for everyone, when it wont. Game Informer said about 8 hours. Sure thats not a lot of time, you and everyone has the right to say its not enough. There are lots of good games that have about 8 hours of gameplay.. such as say, Bioshock. It got a lot of 10's in reviews.

Your opinion that the game is not worth $60 is not slandering, lying about what reviews said about it is. Thats the bottom line.
 

Aikouka

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Originally posted by: Ackmed
So now its down to one review, and not several? Why didnt you just say that, instead of lying about it, and saying several did? You're also under the mis assumption that it will be 6 hours long for everyone, when it wont. Game Informer said about 8 hours. Sure thats not a lot of time, you and everyone has the right to say its not enough. There are lots of good games that have about 8 hours of gameplay.. such as say, Bioshock. It got a lot of 10's in reviews.

Your opinion that the game is not worth $60 is not slandering, lying about what reviews said about it is. Thats the bottom line.

Hah sorry, I just found your comment about "It won't be 6.. it's going to be 8!!!111eleven!!" funny :p.
 

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Lifer
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Originally posted by: Ackmed
So now its down to one review, and not several? Why didnt you just say that, instead of lying about it, and saying several did? You're also under the mis assumption that it will be 6 hours long for everyone, when it wont. Game Informer said about 8 hours. Sure thats not a lot of time, you and everyone has the right to say its not enough. There are lots of good games that have about 8 hours of gameplay.. such as say, Bioshock. It got a lot of 10's in reviews.

Your opinion that the game is not worth $60 is not slandering, lying about what reviews said about it is. Thats the bottom line.

The bottom line is you're taking this way, way too seriously.

But since youre intent on attacking my character and integrity, I now demand that you comb the internet and link each and every review that said Bioshock had 8 hours of gameplay, because thats the first I've heard of it...it took me quite a bit longer.

Or else you are a liar and a slanderer.

And to address the substance of your actual post - 8 hours is still a rental.
 

Ackmed

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Originally posted by: Aikouka
Originally posted by: Ackmed
So now its down to one review, and not several? Why didnt you just say that, instead of lying about it, and saying several did? You're also under the mis assumption that it will be 6 hours long for everyone, when it wont. Game Informer said about 8 hours. Sure thats not a lot of time, you and everyone has the right to say its not enough. There are lots of good games that have about 8 hours of gameplay.. such as say, Bioshock. It got a lot of 10's in reviews.

Your opinion that the game is not worth $60 is not slandering, lying about what reviews said about it is. Thats the bottom line.

Hah sorry, I just found your comment about "It won't be 6.. it's going to be 8!!!111eleven!!" funny :p.

I didnt say it like that, dont misrepresent me. Could it be six? Sure, depends on the person. 8 hours over 6 is a health chunk of gameplay.

Originally posted by: BD2003
Originally posted by: Ackmed
So now its down to one review, and not several? Why didnt you just say that, instead of lying about it, and saying several did? You're also under the mis assumption that it will be 6 hours long for everyone, when it wont. Game Informer said about 8 hours. Sure thats not a lot of time, you and everyone has the right to say its not enough. There are lots of good games that have about 8 hours of gameplay.. such as say, Bioshock. It got a lot of 10's in reviews.

Your opinion that the game is not worth $60 is not slandering, lying about what reviews said about it is. Thats the bottom line.

The bottom line is you're taking this way, way too seriously.

But since youre intent on attacking my character and integrity, I now demand that you comb the internet and link each and every review that said Bioshock had 8 hours of gameplay, because thats the first I've heard of it...it took me quite a bit longer.

Or else you are a liar and a slanderer.

And to address the substance of your actual post - 8 hours is still a rental.

All I did was refute your claim that it didnt get received well by critics, and ask where you read from several reviews that it would be a rental game.

Demand all you want, I didnt say all reviews said it will have 8 hours of gameplay. I said Game Informer said it did. Which I already gave a link to, in my first link that showed HS getting good reviews, when I refuted you earlier.

8 may very well be a rental, I may only rent it. The substance was, A) you were wrong, it got good reviews, and B) you lied saying you read in several reviews its a rental. I didnt attack anything. You lied, simple as that. Next time, just stick to facts, its pretty easy.
 

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Originally posted by: Ackmed
I didnt say it like that, dont misrepresent me. Could it be six? Sure, depends on the person. 8 hours over 6 is a health chunk of gameplay.

Heh, I'm not saying you did... it just reminded me of something like that and gave me a chuckle :D.
 

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Originally posted by: Ackmed
There are lots of good games that have about 8 hours of gameplay.. such as say, Bioshock. It got a lot of 10's in reviews.

Demand all you want, I didnt say all reviews said it will have 8 hours of gameplay. I said Game Informer said it did. Which I already gave a link to, in my first link that showed HS getting good reviews, when I refuted you earlier.

From Game Informers review of Bioshock:

"Of the 15 to 20 hours of gameplay that it delivers, there isn?t a second wasted."

http://www.gameinformer.com/NR...-B952-A1B1440E2139.htm

YOU ARE A LIAR.

LIAR, LIAR, PANTS ON FIRE!!! SLANDERER!!!!!11!!1!!


PS. I'm aware you misread my post. The point is, you are accusing me of LYING, when I merely don't recall every fucking word I've ever read on the internet about the game, so shame on me for not rereading 10 damn reviews that either implied or left me with the impression that it's worth more than just a rental before I post my opinon, lest I be attacked by raving fanatics who are so desperate to "win" an argument that theyre willing to cast aside any shred of human decency in order to defend their precious.

But if theres any single thing I've learned from this forum it's this:

http://www.javierzanetti.net/H...Special%20Olympics.jpg

And I'm also aware it equally applies to myself. :p
 

Ackmed

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I said Game Informer said Heavenly Sword 8 hours of gameplay, not Bioshock. Try sticking to facts.

I didnt misread anything, You said that several reviews said that HS was a rental. When in fact, you read no such thing. You can only one example. You said something that wasnt true, and I called you on it. You got mad, and just cant admit it.
 

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Lifer
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Originally posted by: Ackmed
I said Game Informer said Heavenly Sword 8 hours of gameplay, not Bioshock. Try sticking to facts.

I didnt misread anything, You said that several reviews said that HS was a rental. When in fact, you read no such thing. You can only one example. You said something that wasnt true, and I called you on it. You got mad, and just cant admit it.

You completely lack in reading comprehension. I'm done with you.
 

hans030390

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Originally posted by: BD2003
Originally posted by: Ackmed
I said Game Informer said Heavenly Sword 8 hours of gameplay, not Bioshock. Try sticking to facts.

I didnt misread anything, You said that several reviews said that HS was a rental. When in fact, you read no such thing. You can only one example. You said something that wasnt true, and I called you on it. You got mad, and just cant admit it.

You completely lack in reading comprehension. I'm done with you.

And I'm done with toilet paper. Moving on to sand paper.
 

Ackmed

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Nice cop out, You simply cant admit you were wrong, and then lied.

Where you are wrong;
Originally posted by: BD2003
Lair and HS are popcorn games. Just special effects showcases. You said it yourself - its shallow. For many people, thats enough. For some people, notably critics, it isnt.

(bolded mine)

http://www.gamestats.com/objec.../700186//articles.html

As anyone can see, the reviews show that HS is reviewed well, despite you saing is not.

Where you lied;
Originally posted by: BD2003
But by and large, there is near unanimous agreement, including the OP, that HS is shallow and simplistic, and I've read several reviews that say "Just rent it".

(bolded mine)

I asked you to provide where you read several reviews saying rent it, and you cant. Why? Because you didnt read several reviews say this.

Where YOUR reading comprehension sucks;
Originally posted by: BD2003
Originally posted by: Ackmed
You're also under the mis assumption that it will be 6 hours long for everyone, when it wont. Game Informer said about 8 hours.

But since youre intent on attacking my character and integrity, I now demand that you comb the internet and link each and every review that said Bioshock had 8 hours of gameplay, because thats the first I've heard of it...it took me quite a bit longer.

We were talking about Lairs amount in hours of gameplay. I clearly said that Game Informer said it had 8 hours, even linked it earlier. Then you demand I link reviews about Bioshock and its gameplay time.

So tuck your tail, and dont admit you were wrong. Doesnt matter, its clear to see.
 

Ackmed

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Now that we've moved past that, lets talk about the actual game.

Well, I rented Lair today. The controls are very easy to me. Im doing everything just fine. Did the little tutorial, got all the rings. Got a gold on the first mission, and the second on my first try. The only issues I am having, are what have been mentioned in reviews. Dipping frames, and lock on that doesnt lock on the target I want. Both are can be really annoying.

I did read the manual before playing, and I did watch some youtube videos showing that slower, is better. You cant go in and play like a 3 year old. Not a crack on anyone, but thats how my 3 year old boy uses the sixaxis sometimes. In super rub-a-dub, he will tilt it so far, the controller is upside down, and be moving it really fast. He gets excited... You just have to tilt it a little, and not go over board. And not go real fast, just go smooth and easy. I should note I have firmware 1.92. Which helped me in super rub-a-dub. Tighter controls.

Not sure how many missions there are, Im on the 4th. Maybe I can beat it in 5 days, and not have to buy it. But Im digging it so far. Not the 4.5-6.5 its been getting to me, but not the franchise game it was touted to possibly be. So far, Id give it a 7.5-8. Some problems, none of which are with the controls for me, and a very excellent soundtrack.
 

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Lifer
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Jesus tap dancing christ, I'm going to make this very simple for you.

You said:

There are lots of good games that have about 8 hours of gameplay.. such as say, Bioshock.

I said:

I now demand that you comb the internet and link each and every review that said Bioshock had 8 hours of gameplay, because thats the first I've heard of it...it took me quite a bit longer.

My "demands" clearly referring to bioshock (and its length) with anyone with at least a 2nd grade education and the ability to read.

You said:

Demand all you want, I didnt say all reviews said it will have 8 hours of gameplay. I said Game Informer said it did.

So even though I KNOW you didnt actually read what I said and went on with your accusatory nonsensical drivel, I humored you and checked Game Informers review of Bioshock (even though your dumb ass was still talking about HS) to make my point. When someone becomes so uncivilized that they have to start accusing people of intentionally lying (which I might add, is the most slanderous thing in this thread), then they should at least make sure theyre not being consistent about being a total asshole.

To which you replied:

I said Game Informer said Heavenly Sword 8 hours of gameplay, not Bioshock. Try sticking to facts.

If you defined your pronouns, it might have been a fact. But when you just say "it", I'll naturally assume you're referring to the question I asked.

And throughout all of this, you've yet to show where you've heard bioshock is 8 hours long, which you absolutely 100% claimed, I'll even requote it:

There are lots of good games that have about 8 hours of gameplay.. such as say, Bioshock.

So until you answer that, you're *gasp*, LYING AND SLANDERING.

What is your agenda?????? (Other than to be a douchebag)
 

hans030390

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I beat Bioshock in .6 seconds.

I've never personally played Lair, but it sounds like Game Informer had a good review on the game (7.5-8). It seems to follow what the majority of the consumers think.
 

Ackmed

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You're pretty sad bd. Just admit you were wrong, lied, and move on. You said it wasnt reviewed well, I proved it was. You said several reviews that you read said it was a rental, when in fact only one did. Good thing you are "done with me". Heh. Since you cant admit you were wrong, and lied, and this is ging nowhere, I am done with you. You will be ignored, unless you talk about the game. But that wont happen.

So back on to the game, since I actually am playing it. Im on level six out of foureen, and I just now for the first time didnt complete a mission. The controls are so easy, I cant understand why people have prolems with it. I didnt try firmware 1.90, I have 1.92. People have said that it has helped in Lair. But I have sero problems controlling in Lair.
 

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Lifer
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I must be losing my mind.

If you're going to tell other people they can't admit theyre wrong (when they have actually), at least be a man and do the same thing yourself.

You're nothing more than a garden variety bullshit artist.