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'Lactivists' Taking Their Cause, and Their Babies, to the Streets

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Originally posted by: Crimson
I'm not against Breast Feeding, but I don't need to see your big ugly boob hanging out in public either. Most of the women I see doing it I have NO interest in seeing that part of. LOL. But seriously, do it in private.. Urination is natural as well, but I don't want to see your dingy hanging out on the street corner.

Sorry to hear about your experience with "big ugly" boobs 🙁 I have never met a nursing mom who didn't want to keep herself reasonably well hidden, give or take a short glimpse during initial latch-on or whatever - - avert your eyes!! 🙂

OH and in my personal experience, most everyone is pretty cool with public breastfeeding, couple of exceptions seem to be some old ladies and young teenage boys (they don't mind, but they do gawk).
 
Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Originally posted by: zendari

I don't pull out private body parts when I fart or do any of those. Maybe I should pull down my pants and let one rip; it'll keep your boxers clean.

Why should "breasts" be any more private than other body parts? For that matter, only the "nipple" has to be covered, since skimpy bathing suits are perfectly legal. What is that half-inch piece of flesh so objectionable? Especially since it's actualy in the baby's mouth 90% of time.

I'm just not getting the logic of why that is so disturbing to so many people.

Bathing suits are acceptable in places where they are appropriate; ie a beach or a pool. Not a shopping mall.

No shoes no shirts no service.

😕 Umm.. have you been to a mall in the last 5 years? Bathing suit tops are apparently a perfectly acceptable form of upper body wear for females between the ages of 13 and 83.

Not where I live. 😕 That sign is by every entrance to the mall, plus at places like McDonalds and Taco Bell.
 
Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Originally posted by: zendari

I don't pull out private body parts when I fart or do any of those. Maybe I should pull down my pants and let one rip; it'll keep your boxers clean.

Why should "breasts" be any more private than other body parts? For that matter, only the "nipple" has to be covered, since skimpy bathing suits are perfectly legal. What is that half-inch piece of flesh so objectionable? Especially since it's actualy in the baby's mouth 90% of time.

I'm just not getting the logic of why that is so disturbing to so many people.

Bathing suits are acceptable in places where they are appropriate; ie a beach or a pool. Not a shopping mall.

No shoes no shirts no service.

😕 Umm.. have you been to a mall in the last 5 years? Bathing suit tops are apparently a perfectly acceptable form of upper body wear for females between the ages of 13 and 83.

Not where I live. 😕 That sign is by every entrance to the mall, plus at places like McDonalds and Taco Bell.

Where do you live? Seems like you are about 30 or 40 years behind the rest of the country. Alabama perhaps?
 
Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
😕 Umm.. have you been to a mall in the last 5 years? Bathing suit tops are apparently a perfectly acceptable form of upper body wear for females between the ages of 13 and 83.

83!!!???!!!:Q

CsG
 
Originally posted by: EatSpam
Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
😕 Umm.. have you been to a mall in the last 5 years? Bathing suit tops are apparently a perfectly acceptable form of upper body wear for females between the ages of 13 and 83.

Not where I live. 😕 That sign is by every entrance to the mall, plus at places like McDonalds and Taco Bell.

Where do you live? Seems like you are about 30 or 40 years behind the rest of the country. Alabama perhaps?

maybe it's an east coast thing, but that's how it is in NJ and any mall/shopping center/public place in New England that I've been to as well.
 
Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: EatSpam
Originally posted by: zendari
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You can eat in public, right? Do you go to the bathroom when you have to eat? Why should a baby
I eat out of a plate. Perhaps the baby should try it.

Can i masturbate in public? Have sex in public? Completely "natural" as you say.

Wow, like I said in the OT thread. You shouldn't have kids.

Beyond that, you aren't even worth replying to. You're so arrogant yet you don't have a clue.

I don't plan on having kids.

People with babies think they are special and should be treated so. Just because you carry one around doesn't mean that you can be a nuisance to the public.

A. Breastfeeding is not a "nuisance"
B. What is your alternative (other than unsanitary public restrooms or running to the car every hour)?

 
Originally posted by: Tommunist
Originally posted by: alchemize

My wife still nurses our 2.5 year old boy, and my 5 year old daughter self-weaned. I've never had anyone give us a dirty look in public, or say a word. I'm waiting for the day someone tries and I'm around - I'll likely end up in jail :evil:

are you saying your 5 year old only recently stopped breastfeeding? maybe i'm just reading this wrong.....

She was pretty much night-weaned at 2 1/2, when my wife was pregnant with my boy and most of her milk was gone. But she technically hasn't become 100% weaned - although her nursing now is extremely infreuqent and the durations between each are growing longer and longer (2-3 months or more).

What's a riot is I just asked my wife when my daughter was weaned, and as we were talking about the 5 year old said "I want some baba!". So she took a little snack while I typed this.

When do you think most children were weaned 50 years ago? 100? 200? 1000?
 
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: MadRat
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
I won't give you a dirty look as long as you give me the same respect as I'm nibbling on my wife's hooters at the dinner table next to you.

What time do you want us all for dinner. I gotta see this! 🙂

I'm sure it would be great fun to see DM get a beat-down from his wife if he attempted that..but I'll pass.

CsG

Heh, heh. Well I figured if a five-year-old can get away with it, why can't I? 😀

When did you get married - I was unaware of this turn of events? And now sexist statements like this? Perhaps you are going Neo-con on us? 😛
 
Originally posted by: EatSpam
Originally posted by: alchemize
Hey I can make this a dave-like thread?

6-9-05 Insane blue state democrats target religious nursing women

How long before they start forcing abortions on religious people? 😉

PS My bad DM - for some reason I thought you were single.

Actually, Illinois, a blue state, is one of the few states that protects a woman's right to nurse in public.

I know - I live there too 😀 My wife is a La Leche Leader, Doula and Birth Hypnotherapist...
 
Originally posted by: alchemize
Originally posted by: EatSpam
Originally posted by: alchemize
Hey I can make this a dave-like thread?

6-9-05 Insane blue state democrats target religious nursing women

How long before they start forcing abortions on religious people? 😉

PS My bad DM - for some reason I thought you were single.

Actually, Illinois, a blue state, is one of the few states that protects a woman's right to nurse in public.

I know - I live there too 😀 My wife is a La Leche Leader, Doula and Birth Hypnotherapist...

Cool. My wife is slowly getting started with her Doula service.
 
Originally posted by: EatSpam
Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Originally posted by: zendari

I don't pull out private body parts when I fart or do any of those. Maybe I should pull down my pants and let one rip; it'll keep your boxers clean.

Why should "breasts" be any more private than other body parts? For that matter, only the "nipple" has to be covered, since skimpy bathing suits are perfectly legal. What is that half-inch piece of flesh so objectionable? Especially since it's actualy in the baby's mouth 90% of time.

I'm just not getting the logic of why that is so disturbing to so many people.

Bathing suits are acceptable in places where they are appropriate; ie a beach or a pool. Not a shopping mall.

No shoes no shirts no service.

😕 Umm.. have you been to a mall in the last 5 years? Bathing suit tops are apparently a perfectly acceptable form of upper body wear for females between the ages of 13 and 83.

Not where I live. 😕 That sign is by every entrance to the mall, plus at places like McDonalds and Taco Bell.

Where do you live? Seems like you are about 30 or 40 years behind the rest of the country. Alabama perhaps?

I live in NJ.

B. What is your alternative (other than unsanitary public restrooms or running to the car every hour)?
At the very least move over to a wall and turn around rather than doing it in my face. Or give the baby a friggin bottle for the rare occasions you have to bring it into public rather than leave it at home.
 
"The only people for me are the mad ones, the ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn, like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars and in the middle you see the blue centerlight pop and everybody goes "Awww!"

Jack Kerouac


🙂 an gnite to all wonderous souls
 
Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: EatSpam
Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Originally posted by: zendari

I don't pull out private body parts when I fart or do any of those. Maybe I should pull down my pants and let one rip; it'll keep your boxers clean.

Why should "breasts" be any more private than other body parts? For that matter, only the "nipple" has to be covered, since skimpy bathing suits are perfectly legal. What is that half-inch piece of flesh so objectionable? Especially since it's actualy in the baby's mouth 90% of time.

I'm just not getting the logic of why that is so disturbing to so many people.

Bathing suits are acceptable in places where they are appropriate; ie a beach or a pool. Not a shopping mall.

No shoes no shirts no service.

😕 Umm.. have you been to a mall in the last 5 years? Bathing suit tops are apparently a perfectly acceptable form of upper body wear for females between the ages of 13 and 83.

Not where I live. 😕 That sign is by every entrance to the mall, plus at places like McDonalds and Taco Bell.

Where do you live? Seems like you are about 30 or 40 years behind the rest of the country. Alabama perhaps?

I live in NJ.

B. What is your alternative (other than unsanitary public restrooms or running to the car every hour)?
At the very least move over to a wall and turn around rather than doing it in my face. Or give the baby a friggin bottle for the rare occasions you have to bring it into public rather than leave it at home.

I like Ck's point however, Zendrai is correct. Many places have the "No Shirt No Service" stickers on the doors.
 
Originally posted by: Strk
Why not use breast pumps and carry around bottles?

Why not follow the guidelines of the American Academy of Pediatrics - who recommends against pacifiers (and hence - bottle nipples, if you read the reference)

Supplements and pacifiers should be avoided whenever possible and, if used at all, only after breastfeeding is well established

# Righard L, Alade MO Sucking technique and its effect on success of breastfeeding. Birth 1992; 19:185-189 [Medline]
# Neifert M, Lawrence R, Seacat J Nipple confusion: toward a formal definition. J Pediatr 1995; 126:S125-129
# Victora CG, Tomasi E, Olinto MTA, Use of pacifiers and breastfeeding duration. Lancet 1993; 341:404-406
 
Originally posted by: alchemize
Originally posted by: Strk
Why not use breast pumps and carry around bottles?

Why not follow the guidelines of the American Academy of Pediatrics - who reccomends against pacifiers (and hence - bottle nipples, if you read the reference)

Supplements and pacifiers should be avoided whenever possible and, if used at all, only after breastfeeding is well established

# Righard L, Alade MO Sucking technique and its effect on success of breastfeeding. Birth 1992; 19:185-189 [Medline]
# Neifert M, Lawrence R, Seacat J Nipple confusion: toward a formal definition. J Pediatr 1995; 126:S125-129
# Victora CG, Tomasi E, Olinto MTA, Use of pacifiers and breastfeeding duration. Lancet 1993; 341:404-406

A lot of breastfed babies will not take a bottle nipple. I had that trouble with my first girl. I would try to feed her (breastmilk) while my wife was at work and she wouldn't take any type of nipple. We tried every single type of nipple on the market. Cost me a fortune. Nothing like the real thing. So I have to agree with you Alchemize, bottles and pacifiers are not a cure-all for breastfed women in public.

 
Originally posted by: alchemize
Originally posted by: Tommunist
Originally posted by: alchemize

My wife still nurses our 2.5 year old boy, and my 5 year old daughter self-weaned. I've never had anyone give us a dirty look in public, or say a word. I'm waiting for the day someone tries and I'm around - I'll likely end up in jail :evil:

are you saying your 5 year old only recently stopped breastfeeding? maybe i'm just reading this wrong.....

She was pretty much night-weaned at 2 1/2, when my wife was pregnant with my boy and most of her milk was gone. But she technically hasn't become 100% weaned - although her nursing now is extremely infreuqent and the durations between each are growing longer and longer (2-3 months or more).

What's a riot is I just asked my wife when my daughter was weaned, and as we were talking about the 5 year old said "I want some baba!". So she took a little snack while I typed this.

When do you think most children were weaned 50 years ago? 100? 200? 1000?

i don't have any kids but this sort of thing seems really weird to me. i was under the impression that breast feeding ended generally between 1 and 2 years of age but after some investigation there are some seemingly rare cases (like yours) where it goes on up to 5 years old. it only seems strange b/c it is getting into a time where the chile will REMEMBER breastfeeding. thank god I don't remember anything like this - i think i would be traumatized.....
 
Originally posted by: Tommunist
Originally posted by: alchemize
Originally posted by: Tommunist
Originally posted by: alchemize

My wife still nurses our 2.5 year old boy, and my 5 year old daughter self-weaned. I've never had anyone give us a dirty look in public, or say a word. I'm waiting for the day someone tries and I'm around - I'll likely end up in jail :evil:

are you saying your 5 year old only recently stopped breastfeeding? maybe i'm just reading this wrong.....

She was pretty much night-weaned at 2 1/2, when my wife was pregnant with my boy and most of her milk was gone. But she technically hasn't become 100% weaned - although her nursing now is extremely infreuqent and the durations between each are growing longer and longer (2-3 months or more).

What's a riot is I just asked my wife when my daughter was weaned, and as we were talking about the 5 year old said "I want some baba!". So she took a little snack while I typed this.

When do you think most children were weaned 50 years ago? 100? 200? 1000?

i don't have any kids but this sort of thing seems really weird to me. i was under the impression that breast feeding ended generally between 1 and 2 years of age but after some investigation there are some seemingly rare cases (like yours) where it goes on up to 5 years old. it only seems strange b/c it is getting into a time where the chile will REMEMBER breastfeeding. thank god I don't remember anything like this - i think i would be traumatized.....

Do a little googling - children that "remember" breastfeeding characterize it as a wonderful bonding experience between them and their mothers. Why would a child be "traumatized" by taking nourishment, snuggling, and being held by a mother?

I don't remember BF'ing - probably because my ignorant mom only went 6 weeks because of all the ignorant boneheads that were extremely prevalant (and still so to this day obviously) in the early 70's. But some of my fondest memories with her were snuggling as a young child.

As far as it being a rare case, again look at what "uncivilized" cultures do (eskimo, south american tribes, african tribes) - they feed well into toddlerhood and often longer. It's what is best for the child.

What does Mother Nature say? She's usually the ultimate authority on what is "natural":

According to the research of Smith (1991), many primates wean their offspring when they are erupting their first permanent molars. First permanent molar eruption occurs around 5.5 to 6.0 years in modern humans. It is interesting to note that achievement of adult immune competence in humans also occurs at approximately six years of age, suggesting that throughout our recent evolutionary past, the active immunities provided by breast milk were normally available to the child until about this age (Frederickson).

Our evolutionary past has produced an organism that relies on breastfeeding to provide the context for physical, cognitive and emotional development. The non-human primate data suggest that human children are designed to receive all of the benefits of breast milk and breastfeeding for an [/b]absolute minimum of two and a half years, and an apparent upper limit of around seven years.[/b] Natural selection has favored those infants with a strong, genetically coded blueprint that programs them to expect nursing to continue for a number of years after birth and results in the urge to suckle remaining strong for this entire period.


An Anthropological Look at Nursing Beyond Toddlerhood

Time Period Who and Where Nursing Duration

Ancient Times Egypt 3 years

Early 1900s China and Japan 4-5 years

1940s Burma 3-4 years

1950s Kenya up to 5 years

1950s Siniono (Bolivia) 3-5 years

1950s Inuit around 7 years

N/A Chimps/gorillas 5-6 years



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Let me clarify my position from earlier in the thread.. I guess I am not so much against breastfeeding, as I am against seeing your little ugly alien-looking screaming little brat. I am not Anti-Breastfeeding, I am anti-child.
 
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