'Lactivists' Taking Their Cause, and Their Babies, to the Streets

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'Lactivists' Taking Their Cause, and Their Babies, to the Streets
By AMY HARMON

Correction Appended

The calls for a "nurse-in" began on the Internet mere moments after Barbara Walters uttered a negative remark about public breast-feeding on her ABC talk show, "The View."

The protest, inspired by similar events organized by a growing group of unlikely activists nationwide in the last year, brought about 200 women to ABC's headquarters yesterday. They stood nursing their babies in the unmistakably public venue of Columbus Avenue and West 67th Street. They held signs reading, "Shame on View," and "Babies are born to be breastfed." Ms. Walters, who remarked a few weeks ago on the show that the sight of a woman breast-feeding on an airplane next to her had made her uncomfortable, said through a spokesman that "it was a particular circumstance and we are surprised that it warrants a protest."

But the rally at ABC is only the most visible example of a recent wave of "lactivism." Prodded by mothers who say they are tired of being asked to adjourn to the bathroom while nursing in a public space, six states have recently passed laws giving a woman the right to breast-feed wherever she "is otherwise authorized to be."

An Ohio bill saying a woman is "entitled to breast-feed her baby in any place of public accommodation" passed last month over the objection of one representative who wanted to exempt businesses from liability for accidents caused by "spillage."

"I really don't know any women who 'spill,' " said Lisa Wilson, the mother of a 4-month-old in Fairview Park, Ohio, who helped organize a nurse-in at a local deli to support the bill.

Representative Carolyn B. Maloney, Democrat of New York, held a nurse-in on the Capitol's Cannon Terrace last month as she reintroduced federal legislation to amend the Civil Rights Act to protect women from employment discrimination for using a breast pump or feeding their babies during breaks.

Nursing mothers are pressuring businesses, too. Burger King has declared that mothers are welcome to nurse. Starbucks - the target of a letter-writing campaign that asked "What's more natural than coffee and milk?" - has, too.

The moves come as the number of American mothers who choose to breast-feed has climbed to about 70 percent in 2003, the last year for which information was available, from about 50 percent in 1990. Many otherwise apolitical women say they found themselves unexpectedly transformed into lactivists after fielding a nasty comment or being asked to stop nursing in public.

"We're all told that breast-feeding is the best, healthiest thing you can do for your child," said Lorig Charkoudian, 32, who started the Web site www.nurseatstarbucks.com after being asked to use the bathroom to nurse at her local Starbucks. "And then we're made to feel ashamed to do it without being locked in our homes."

But Ms. Walters is not the only one who might prefer not to be confronted with breast-feeding at close quarters. Legislators, business owners and family members are debating how to reconcile the health benefits of nursing with the prevailing cultural squeamishness toward nursing in public.

In interviews and Internet discussions, hundreds of women recount being asked to stop nursing in public spots, including the Children's Museum in Huntsville, Ala.; a knitting store in the East Village; a Radisson Hotel lobby in Virginia; a public bus in Los Angeles; and a city commission meeting in Miami Beach.

"It's nothing against breast-feeding, it's about exposing yourself for people who don't want to see it," said Scotty Stroup, the owner of a restaurant in Round Rock, Tex., where a nursing mother was refused service last fall.

But the new generation of lactivists compare discomfort with seeing breast-feeding in public to discomfort with seeing interracial couples or gays holding hands.

"It's like any other prejudice. They have to get used to it," said Rebecca Odes, co-founder of "The New Mom" blog, who attended the ABC protest. "People don't want to see it because they feel uncomfortable with it, and they feel uncomfortable with it because they don't see it."

Whether to breast-feed in public, many nursing mothers say, is not simply a matter of being respectful of another person's sensibilities. They cite research by the Food and Drug Administration showing that the degree of embarrassment a mother feels about breast-feeding plays a bigger role in determining whether she is likely to do so than household income, length of maternity leave or employment status.

The American Academy of Pediatrics urges women to feed their babies only breast milk for the first six months, and continue breast-feeding for at least an additional six months. If its recommendations were followed, the group estimates that Americans would save $3.6 billion in annual health care costs because breast-fed babies tend to require less medical care. But while more women are breast-feeding for the first few weeks, fewer than one-third are still nursing after six months. Some doctors attribute the decline to self-consciousness and the difficulties of finding spaces where nursing seems acceptable.

"To many mothers, breast-feeding runs up against sexual attitudes toward the breast," said Dr. Lawrence Gartner, who leads the academy's research on breast-feeding. "That reduces the prevalence of breast-feeding, which is a bad situation because duration of breast-feeding is an important factor in children's health."

Even mothers who are committed to nursing say they are shaken when confronted with the hostility or consternation of strangers observing them.

"People make you feel like you're doing something dirty, almost," said Rene Harrell, 26, of Chantilly, Va., who said she was recently asked to leave a Delta airport lounge in Atlanta as she nursed her 8-month-old son, Elijah.

Once on the plane awaiting takeoff, she said, a man across the aisle complained loudly about her into his cellphone as she continued to nurse.

The scene, said Ms. Harrell, reminded her of the one Ms. Walters described, which she read about on an Internet discussion board.

"It's just, where would you like me to go so I don't bother you by being here?" Ms. Harrell said. "He was not on solids. It's not like I could have given him something to tide him over. He needed to eat."

Marilyn Yalom, the author of "History of the Breast," says Americans' views of the breast has changed over time, and could change again. More than in other countries, she said, the breast is seen here as a sexual object.

"We live in a very mechanistic society and almost anything that doesn't come out of a package is somehow suspect," Ms. Yalom said. "So milk that comes out of a real human breast, we're not very comfortable with, it brings us too close to our animal nature."

The nurse-in at ABC was perhaps the largest of the dozen or so held around the country over the last year.

"I have the right to breast-feed my child without getting nasty looks," said Patricia Lechuga, 32, who said she watches "The View" every morning while breast-feeding her 10-month-old daughter before her nap. "So many people watch the show, I was just so disappointed in them."

On the Upper West Side, it was hard to find anyone to disagree with her.

"Are there people who are against breast-feeding?" asked Rich Flisher, 39, a neighborhood resident passing by the nurse-in. "I do prefer it if you're discreet, but hey, I'm behind you. Go go go."

Correction: June 9, 2005, Thursday:

An article on Tuesday about a "nurse-in" in New York City, held by mothers advocating the right to breast-feed in public, misstated the surname of a woman from Fairview Park, Ohio, who helped organize a similar protest in the Cleveland area. She is Lisa Wilkins, not Wilson.

My wife still nurses our 2.5 year old boy, and my 5 year old daughter self-weaned. I've never had anyone give us a dirty look in public, or say a word. I'm waiting for the day someone tries and I'm around - I'll likely end up in jail :evil:

This is one of the issues of our day where both parties are completely ignorant of what an impact formula has had on the health of our society. $3.6 billion annual is a drop in the bucket compared to the lifelong benefits of BF'ing.

Really glad to see the number up to 70%, but I still run into ignorant people every day that willingly poison their kids - some of even my friends who we've preached to. Oh well, you can lead a horse to water...
 

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Good for them.

My wife is breastfeeding our 9 month old and plans to let him self wean. We've only encountered opposition from ignorant elderly relatives, but never a problem in public.
 

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I think only large-breasted women should be allowed to nurse their babies in public.
 

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Who in their right mind would complain about women exposing their breasts in public?? Idiots!
 

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I'm not against Breast Feeding, but I don't need to see your big ugly boob hanging out in public either. Most of the women I see doing it I have NO interest in seeing that part of. LOL. But seriously, do it in private.. Urination is natural as well, but I don't want to see your dingy hanging out on the street corner.
 

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Originally posted by: Crimson
I'm not against Breast Feeding, but I don't need to see your big ugly boob hanging out in public either. Most of the women I see doing it I have NO interest in seeing that part of. LOL. But seriously, do it in private.. Urination is natural as well, but I don't want to see your dingy hanging out on the street corner.

If you can't see the difference between urination and nursing, you're a fvcking moron.
 

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Originally posted by: Crimson
I'm not against Breast Feeding, but I don't need to see your big ugly boob hanging out in public either. Most of the women I see doing it I have NO interest in seeing that part of. LOL. But seriously, do it in private.

:thumbsup:
 

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Originally posted by: EatSpam
Originally posted by: Crimson
I'm not against Breast Feeding, but I don't need to see your big ugly boob hanging out in public either. Most of the women I see doing it I have NO interest in seeing that part of. LOL. But seriously, do it in private.. Urination is natural as well, but I don't want to see your dingy hanging out on the street corner.

If you can't see the difference between urination and nursing, you're a fvcking moron.

Explain it to me then..
 

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In other countries, it is perfectly normal, and not "gawked" upon, if a woman breastfeeds her child in public.

America has sexuality so backwards that it forces women to be ashamed of doing something so natural.
 

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Originally posted by: Crimson
Originally posted by: EatSpam
Originally posted by: Crimson
I'm not against Breast Feeding, but I don't need to see your big ugly boob hanging out in public either. Most of the women I see doing it I have NO interest in seeing that part of. LOL. But seriously, do it in private.. Urination is natural as well, but I don't want to see your dingy hanging out on the street corner.

If you can't see the difference between urination and nursing, you're a fvcking moron.

Explain it to me then..

Um, nursing involves feeding an infant the best food possible. Urination involves the expulsion of bodily waste. Despite what the formula companies tell you, breast milk isn't waste.

Do you know any women who breastfeed? Breastfed babies eat all of the time. A mother of a 3 month old would spend every hour of her day "in private" if she couldn't breastfeed else where.

Your corporate answer would be to "give the baby a bottle." Well, most people don't exist to enrich formula companies and every health organization on the planet will agree that breast milk is best. Also, a woman's breasts are always there... no need to mix and heat that formula.

I think your problem is that you see boobies and you immediately think of sex. Grow up. In a biological sense (there's that sciency stuff you red staters hate), breasts are primarily there to feed an infant. So get over your body issues. Besides, most women make it very obvious when they're about to nurse (crying baby and unsnapping a nursing bra are usually clues), so avert your eyes, perv.
 

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Originally posted by: EatSpam
Originally posted by: Crimson
Originally posted by: EatSpam

If you can't see the difference between urination and nursing, you're a fvcking moron.

Explain it to me then..

Um, nursing involves feeding an infant the best food possible. Urination involves the expulsion of bodily waste. Despite what the formula companies tell you, breast milk isn't waste.

Do you know any women who breastfeed? Breastfed babies eat all of the time. A mother of a 3 month old would spend every hour of her day "in private" if she couldn't breastfeed else where.

Your corporate answer would be to "give the baby a bottle." Well, most people don't exist to enrich formula companies and every health organization on the planet will agree that breast milk is best. Also, a woman's breasts are always there... no need to mix and heat that formula.

I think your problem is that you see boobies and you immediately think of sex. Grow up. In a biological sense (there's that sciency stuff you red staters hate), breasts are primarily there to feed an infant. So get over your body issues. Besides, most women make it very obvious when they're about to nurse (crying baby and unsnapping a nursing bra are usually clues), so avert your eyes, perv.

Crimson, that was a serious round of ownage....

You sneaky perv...:laugh:
 

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Originally posted by: EatSpam
Um, nursing involves feeding an infant the best food possible. Urination involves the expulsion of bodily waste. Despite what the formula companies tell you, breast milk isn't waste.

I don't have a problem with public breastfeeding (although I would prefer women to use a towel/blanket, when available), but I don't see the difference. Both are natural, healthy body functions.
 

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Originally posted by: alchemize

My wife still nurses our 2.5 year old boy, and my 5 year old daughter self-weaned. I've never had anyone give us a dirty look in public, or say a word. I'm waiting for the day someone tries and I'm around - I'll likely end up in jail :evil:

are you saying your 5 year old only recently stopped breastfeeding? maybe i'm just reading this wrong.....
 

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Originally posted by: EatSpam
Originally posted by: Crimson
Originally posted by: EatSpam
Originally posted by: Crimson
I'm not against Breast Feeding, but I don't need to see your big ugly boob hanging out in public either. Most of the women I see doing it I have NO interest in seeing that part of. LOL. But seriously, do it in private.. Urination is natural as well, but I don't want to see your dingy hanging out on the street corner.

If you can't see the difference between urination and nursing, you're a fvcking moron.

Explain it to me then..

Um, nursing involves feeding an infant the best food possible.
Provided the mother eats healthy
Urination involves the expulsion of bodily waste. Despite what the formula companies tell you, breast milk isn't waste.
AND? The argument being used is that it is "natural" so it can be done anywhere. Well, if that's the case - then "naturally" purging fluids/solids from our bodies can be done in public too.
Do you know any women who breastfeed? Breastfed babies eat all of the time. A mother of a 3 month old would spend every hour of her day "in private" if she couldn't breastfeed else where.
Wrong. While infants do feed often - it is hardly an e"very hour of her day" thing. A better argument would be that the timing of a hungry infant is not always consistent.
Your corporate answer would be to "give the baby a bottle." Well, most people don't exist to enrich formula companies and every health organization on the planet will agree that breast milk is best. Also, a woman's breasts are always there... no need to mix and heat that formula.

I think your problem is that you see boobies and you immediately think of sex. Grow up. In a biological sense (there's that sciency stuff you red staters hate), breasts are primarily there to feed an infant. So get over your body issues. Besides, most women make it very obvious when they're about to nurse (crying baby and unsnapping a nursing bra are usually clues), so avert your eyes, perv.

:roll: Grow up yourself. Red Staters are more than likely the ones doing the breast feeding...but you keep up your whining about Red staters...

***

Now I have no problems with women breast-feeding in public. I'd much rather have them do that then have to drag around a screaming(hungry) baby from store to store.

CsG
 

Darkhawk28

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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: EatSpam
Originally posted by: Crimson
Originally posted by: EatSpam
Originally posted by: Crimson
I'm not against Breast Feeding, but I don't need to see your big ugly boob hanging out in public either. Most of the women I see doing it I have NO interest in seeing that part of. LOL. But seriously, do it in private.. Urination is natural as well, but I don't want to see your dingy hanging out on the street corner.

If you can't see the difference between urination and nursing, you're a fvcking moron.

Explain it to me then..

Um, nursing involves feeding an infant the best food possible.
Provided the mother eats healthy
Urination involves the expulsion of bodily waste. Despite what the formula companies tell you, breast milk isn't waste.
AND? The argument being used is that it is "natural" so it can be done anywhere. Well, if that's the case - then "naturally" purging fluids/solids from our bodies can be done in public too.
Do you know any women who breastfeed? Breastfed babies eat all of the time. A mother of a 3 month old would spend every hour of her day "in private" if she couldn't breastfeed else where.
Wrong. While infants do feed often - it is hardly an e"very hour of her day" thing. A better argument would be that the timing of a hungry infant is not always consistent.
Your corporate answer would be to "give the baby a bottle." Well, most people don't exist to enrich formula companies and every health organization on the planet will agree that breast milk is best. Also, a woman's breasts are always there... no need to mix and heat that formula.

I think your problem is that you see boobies and you immediately think of sex. Grow up. In a biological sense (there's that sciency stuff you red staters hate), breasts are primarily there to feed an infant. So get over your body issues. Besides, most women make it very obvious when they're about to nurse (crying baby and unsnapping a nursing bra are usually clues), so avert your eyes, perv.

:roll: Grow up yourself. Red Staters are more than likely the ones doing the breast feeding...but you keep up your whining about Red staters...

***

Now I have no problems with women breast-feeding in public. I'd much rather have them do that then have to drag around a screaming(hungry) baby from store to store.

CsG

You really have no f'in clue what you're talking about do you?

 

XMan

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LOL, I love the ads at the bottom of the thread.

Seriously though - don't have a problem with it at all, it's the best thing for the kid, as CsG said though, if the mother eats healthy.

Most of the women I've been around who've done it even in private have tended toward modesty . . . usually just throwing a blanket over their chest or even arranging their shirt just-so. Are there really women out there who are just letting it all hang out, or is this something old farts are just grumpy about?
 

Darkhawk28

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Originally posted by: X-Man
LOL, I love the ads at the bottom of the thread.

Seriously though - don't have a problem with it at all, it's the best thing for the kid, as CsG said though, if the mother eats healthy.

Most of the women I've been around who've done it even in private have tended toward modesty . . . usually just throwing a blanket over their chest or even arranging their shirt just-so. Are there really women out there who are just letting it all hang out, or is this something old farts are just grumpy about?

Actually, the eating healthy part of it isn't as neccessary as you think...

Just like when a baby's inside the womb, the baby WILL get the neccessary vitamins -- at the expense of the mother. Same thing applies to breastmilk.

As to your second part of your statement, I've NEVER seen any woman just "whip it out" in plain sight. Like you said, they throw a nursing blanket over their chest and baby and/or use special nursing shirts so that nothing shows.

The whole thing against breastfeeding is just plain IGNORANCE.
 

XMan

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Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Originally posted by: X-Man
LOL, I love the ads at the bottom of the thread.

Seriously though - don't have a problem with it at all, it's the best thing for the kid, as CsG said though, if the mother eats healthy.

Most of the women I've been around who've done it even in private have tended toward modesty . . . usually just throwing a blanket over their chest or even arranging their shirt just-so. Are there really women out there who are just letting it all hang out, or is this something old farts are just grumpy about?

Actually, the eating healthy part of it isn't as neccessary as you think...

My mother in law is an OB nurse. Eating healthy is important.
 

Darkhawk28

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Originally posted by: X-Man
Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Originally posted by: X-Man
LOL, I love the ads at the bottom of the thread.

Seriously though - don't have a problem with it at all, it's the best thing for the kid, as CsG said though, if the mother eats healthy.

Most of the women I've been around who've done it even in private have tended toward modesty . . . usually just throwing a blanket over their chest or even arranging their shirt just-so. Are there really women out there who are just letting it all hang out, or is this something old farts are just grumpy about?

Actually, the eating healthy part of it isn't as neccessary as you think...

My mother in law is an OB nurse. Eating healthy is important.

Of couse it's important, not saying it isn't. But what I'm saying, if the mother just sat around eating potato chips, her body would still transfer vitamins and nutrients to the baby. Even in that regard, it's still healthier than bottle-feeding.
 

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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: EatSpam
Urination involves the expulsion of bodily waste. Despite what the formula companies tell you, breast milk isn't waste.
AND? The argument being used is that it is "natural" so it can be done anywhere. Well, if that's the case - then "naturally" purging fluids/solids from our bodies can be done in public too.

You can eat in public, right? Do you go to the bathroom when you have to eat? Why should a baby?

Do you know any women who breastfeed? Breastfed babies eat all of the time. A mother of a 3 month old would spend every hour of her day "in private" if she couldn't breastfeed else where.
Wrong. While infants do feed often - it is hardly an e"very hour of her day" thing. A better argument would be that the timing of a hungry infant is not always consistent.

As the father of a 9 month old, I have gone through this recently. Breastfed babies eat all of the time when they're younger. My wife is friends with several other mothers of babies in the same general age range. When they all got together, it wasn't uncommon to have all of the babies nursing the entire time they were there. Breast milk is very quickly digested and babies have small stomachs.
 

EatSpam

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Originally posted by: X-Man
LOL, I love the ads at the bottom of the thread.

Seriously though - don't have a problem with it at all, it's the best thing for the kid, as CsG said though, if the mother eats healthy.

Most of the women I've been around who've done it even in private have tended toward modesty . . . usually just throwing a blanket over their chest or even arranging their shirt just-so. Are there really women out there who are just letting it all hang out, or is this something old farts are just grumpy about?

Mostly just old farts, people with body issues, and formula companies.
 

Darkhawk28

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Originally posted by: EatSpam
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: EatSpam
Urination involves the expulsion of bodily waste. Despite what the formula companies tell you, breast milk isn't waste.
AND? The argument being used is that it is "natural" so it can be done anywhere. Well, if that's the case - then "naturally" purging fluids/solids from our bodies can be done in public too.

You can eat in public, right? Do you go to the bathroom when you have to eat? Why should a baby?

Do you know any women who breastfeed? Breastfed babies eat all of the time. A mother of a 3 month old would spend every hour of her day "in private" if she couldn't breastfeed else where.
Wrong. While infants do feed often - it is hardly an e"very hour of her day" thing. A better argument would be that the timing of a hungry infant is not always consistent.

As the father of a 9 month old, I have gone through this recently. Breastfed babies eat all of the time when they're younger. My wife is friends with several other mothers of babies in the same general age range. When they all got together, it wasn't uncommon to have all of the babies nursing the entire time they were there. Breast milk is very quickly digested and babies have small stomachs.

Yep, this is another reason why breastfed babies are healthier. They eat smaller meals more often and usually don't get too plump.
 

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Originally posted by: X-Man
LOL, I love the ads at the bottom of the thread.

Seriously though - don't have a problem with it at all, it's the best thing for the kid, as CsG said though, if the mother eats healthy.

Most of the women I've been around who've done it even in private have tended toward modesty . . . usually just throwing a blanket over their chest or even arranging their shirt just-so. Are there really women out there who are just letting it all hang out, or is this something old farts are just grumpy about?


There are a couple who let it hang out. Really damn dirty and disgusting, especially when they are noisy about it.

I saw one while I was waiting in line at the food court a while back and lost my appetite.

You can eat in public, right? Do you go to the bathroom when you have to eat? Why should a baby
I eat out of a plate. Perhaps the baby should try it.

Can i masturbate in public? Have sex in public? Completely "natural" as you say.