Lacking anything else to release (at this moment), Nvidia will rebrand the low end..

[3DVagabond]

TSMC Faces Shortage of 28nm Production Capacities - Report.

Just checked Newegg. Heaps of 7000 AMD's in stock. All models. Not sure why Xbit thinks their availability isn't "truly wide"?

 

[LoneNinja]

Just checked Newegg. Heaps of 7000 AMD's in stock. All models. Not sure why Xbit thinks their availability isn't "truly wide"?

I don't know the actual availability of these things, but that is just one American retailer. Does Tigerdirect, Microcenter, Best Buy, Frys, and all the other retailers have them in stock? What about the OEMs, or foreign markets?

They may be readily available globally, but just because newegg has them doesn't prove wide spread availability.

 

[toyota]

well now that the excitement of "new" AMD cards has worn off , many people will not buy them at the crazy prices they are at now. $350+ for a mid range card is just way too much and a huge increase over last gen. lower prices by 50-75 bucks and AMD will start selling out again.

 

[3DVagabond]

I don't know the actual availability of these things, but that is just one American retailer. Does Tigerdirect, Microcenter, Best Buy, Frys, and all the other retailers have them in stock? What about the OEMs, or foreign markets?

They may be readily available globally, but just because newegg has them doesn't prove wide spread availability.

All models are available in NZ, and we're at the end of the food chain down here (checked pricespy.co.nz). I'm not going to check every retailer in the world, but I don't see any current shortages.

well now that the excitement of "new" AMD cards has worn off , many people will not buy them at the crazy prices they are at now. $350+ for a mid range card is just way too much and a huge increase over last gen. lower prices by 50-75 bucks and AMD will start selling out again.

I agree that AMD should drop ~$50, and off of every model. They should also release 1.5GB Tahiti as well. A 1.5GB 7970 for $450 ($350 HD 7950) would be a better value for many than the 680 @ $500, IMO. In the end nVidia only has one card to sell. They can't compete against everything AMD makes, if AMD wanted to push competition.

 

[RavenSEAL]

nVidia has been re-branding low-end for 2 generations already, jeez

 

[toyota]

nVidia has been re-branding low-end for 2 generations already, jeez

AMD does too but people mainly notice when Nvidia does it because they do it more often.

 

[3DVagabond]

AMD does too but people mainly notice when Nvidia does it because they do it more often.

Didn't your mother tell you that she doesn't care what Johnny does, it doesn't make it OK for you to do? You must work for Obama the way you shift the blame. [joking]

 

[Jionix]

Did you even read what I said? He's saying that NV is the only one being hurt by low yields. But it's impossible to say for certain whether that's the case or not unless he has inside information. (Reading Charlie's anti-NV rants on SA does not count as inside information.) So I said that there are many potential explanations, such as JHH being the only CEO so far who is willing to publicly call out TSMC's poor 28nm yields.

This is a two (and a half) part situation:

1) Yes, it's pretty much known that 28nm is heavily constrained, that capacity is stretched thin.

1 1/2) Don't forget that Nvidia dropped/dumped early 28nm lines late last year. That has haunted them in terms of time to market.

2) Now add in Nvidia is still being affected by their continued ineptitude at new process chip design --- resulting in low yields. I don't care how great the GK104 chip is ... if Nvidia doesn't know how to actually put together the fab puzzle that will allow functional chips to be had, it's like having the fastest 1 legged horse.

Take these together, and you have what is happening right now. Nvidia has only released ONE single model.. They haven't even announced the rest! Not even paper launched. Has Nvidia suddenly become a champion against paper launches? Please... Not even close. They can't announced anything else, because they don't have anything else. They can't afford to release anything else! They have no wafers to support any more chips at the moment..

 

[blastingcap]

This is a two (and a half) part situation:

1) Yes, it's pretty much known that 28nm is heavily constrained, that capacity is stretched thin.

1 1/2) Don't forget that Nvidia dropped/dumped early 28nm lines late last year. That has haunted them in terms of time to market.

2) Now add in Nvidia is still being affected by their continued ineptitude at new process chip design --- resulting in low yields. I don't care how great the GK104 chip is ... if Nvidia doesn't know how to actually put together the fab puzzle that will allow functional chips to be had, it's like having the fastest 1 legged horse.

Take these together, and you have what is happening right now. Nvidia has only released ONE single model.. They haven't even announced the rest! Not even paper launched. Has Nvidia suddenly become a champion against paper launches? Please... Not even close. They can't announced anything else, because they don't have anything else. They can't afford to release anything else! They have no wafers to support any more chips at the moment..

AMD, which has more process experience, may have been able to partially blunt the initial 28nm yield issues like they did with 40nm double vias. (I think on the whole, looking back at other launches and bumpgate as well, NV does have a worse track record of handling process.)

That does not mean that other customers were unaffected, though. That part is all Charlie. He's claiming that NV is special and that only they were affected whereas everyone else got off. I don't think that's necessarily true.

You are reading way too much into what NV said and didn't say. If you want to speculate that is fine but it is not more than speculation. And silence doesn't necessarily mean anything, either. NV was very quiet right before the GTX 580 which came out of nowhere. Charlie failed to alert people to the 5xx series. Chew on that.

Furthermore, so long as AMD continues with its absurd pricing, and NV follows suit, then both companies can rot in hell. I will wait things out just like many others have decided to do. There is no compelling reason for me to upgrade right now.

 

[Jionix]

Furthermore, so long as AMD continues with its absurd pricing, and NV follows suit, then both companies can rot in hell. I will wait things out just like many others have decided to do. There is no compelling reason for me to upgrade right now.

I agree here.

I think the pricing model right now is based on the fact that, GPUs are going to be fading in the next couple years. At least, the amount of customers purchasing GPUs. Mark my words (or not.. who am I?) --- This will be the last generation or two of real profit to be made by GPUs.

Intel's has been putting more effort into their graphics than ever before. Their next attempts are going to be huge. And that is in response to AMD buying ATI and making the on-die push in the first place. And of course, Trinity is going to be quite big...

In another year, when the majority of new CPUs that have been released are going to have as good as/better graphics then the vast majority of GPUs (or at least, the ones that are the most purchased), where will that leave AMD's and Nvidia's GPU divisions?

There is a fundamental change happening, and it will lead to the eventual pushing of discrete graphics to the fringes.

 

[OCGuy]

There has been no reports on AMD having low yields --- Nvidia, on the other hand, yes (since they specifically said that they were having "Less than expected yields" in their earnings conference call). In fact, Nvidia is the only 28nm customer that has come out and said low yields.. So, let me guess, TSMC's fault again?

AMD has their full 28nm line up out.. And retail supply seems to be OK.

Huh? The fab that both use have very limited capacity. Demand for high-end parts that have been out for 4 months could easily be the problem. Because something is/isnt available at Newegg at any given moment only tells you a small part of one side: Supply. It has nothing to do with demand, unless you can see sales numbers from e-tailers.

 

[taltamir]

The low end of the market is basically dead anyways. Pretty much every CPU sold now has a GPU in it.

but there is still the mid-low, mid, mid-high, and high markets... and some of those might even buy more then one card.

 

[KompuKare]

I don't know why everyone is against Charlie and SA though. Me and several people I know were personally effected by bumpgate, and while most every site kept quite on that story (wasn't following any forum at the time so I'm only going by the actual site news), Charlie ran away with it. Not only that, if I had been reading the inquirer at the time, I would have done the sensible thing and not bought a 8800GT back in August 2008. But despite frequenting a few sites and reading most computer reviews I only ended finding out about bumpgate after I saw a few HP DV6000s with bad graphics. My 8800GT followed a few months later and at that stage BFG had gone bankrupt (wonder if bumpgate played a part here).

Thing is Nvidia's arrogance (well THH's), their marketing tactics etc. were well know to me at the time I got the 8800GT but though (wrongly) that as long as the price/performance was ok, that's all that matters. Needless to say, no more Nvidia for me.

Strange that Nvidia won so many design with mobile Kepler though, I'd have though all those manufacturer they burnt last time would remember - or was it that most of the victims were the consumers?