LA Dodgers Eric Gagne might have pitch his last game... :(

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: audi

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: tfinch2
I see 15 day DL, you see career ending...

If he has to get Tommy John surgery, he'll never be the same closer.

John Smoltz anyone?

Smoltz was the rare exception. Along with Wood and Morris. It is not the norm. Also, Smoltz went from being a dominant pitcher, to a closer. It took him, what, 3 years to become their go-to closer? Now 5 years after the surgery, he's finally back to starting, and we'll see if his arm is healthy enough to go all season. Look at all the pitchers over the years that have had to have the surgery and never returned to the stature they once had.

There is a very real possibility that Gagne will never be as dominant as he once was, and never have the fame and prestige he enjoyed.

 

[ThePresence]

Some pitchers have actually been STRONGER after Tommy John surgery.

 

[RaynorWolfcastle]

Originally posted by: ThePresence
Some pitchers have actually been STRONGER after Tommy John surgery.

Yes because the new ligaments are in much better shape than the ones they replace. If the surgery goes well it's not unusual for a pitcher to gain a couple of mph on this fastball.

 

[CHfan4ever]

Originally posted by: RaynorWolfcastle

Originally posted by: ThePresence
Some pitchers have actually been STRONGER after Tommy John surgery.

Yes because the new ligaments are in much better shape than the ones they replace. If the surgery goes well it's not unusual for a pitcher to gain a couple of mph on this fastball.

I hope it will be the case for Gagne..seriously....The DoDgers need him badly

 

[TheNinja]

Originally posted by: RaynorWolfcastle

Originally posted by: ThePresence
Some pitchers have actually been STRONGER after Tommy John surgery.

Yes because the new ligaments are in much better shape than the ones they replace. If the surgery goes well it's not unusual for a pitcher to gain a couple of mph on this fastball.

I think you are thinking of that kids movie where the doctors re-tightened the kid's arm too tight and he could throw really fast. Either way it sucks for Gagne.

 

[UncleWai]

Am I the only think he was on roid? The guy was freaking huge and threw so freaking hard. He just seems very abnormal to me.

 

[RaynorWolfcastle]

Originally posted by: TheNinja

Originally posted by: RaynorWolfcastle

Originally posted by: ThePresence
Some pitchers have actually been STRONGER after Tommy John surgery.

Yes because the new ligaments are in much better shape than the ones they replace. If the surgery goes well it's not unusual for a pitcher to gain a couple of mph on this fastball.

I think you are thinking of that kids movie where the doctors re-tightened the kid's arm too tight and he could throw really fast. Either way it sucks for Gagne.

No I am talking about real life where real pitchers can gain a couple of mph after having Tommy John's.

 

[RaynorWolfcastle]

Originally posted by: UncleWai
Am I the only think he was on roid? The guy was freaking huge and threw so freaking hard. He just seems very abnormal to me.

Pitchers don't go on roid, the gain in muscle mass doesn't offset the loss of flexibility from the increased muscle mass
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[jmgonzalez]

Originally posted by: ifesfor


to bad he was just starting to rise as the top MLB closer

If indeed it is his last game of his career, I was there to see him get the save.

:-(

Go Dodgers

 

[MrCodeDude]

Originally posted by: Ready
Gagne sounds like f__k ur mom in chinese

English > *.

 

[MDE]

Just in time for their series against the Sox too...

 

[MDE]

Originally posted by: RaynorWolfcastle

Originally posted by: UncleWai
Am I the only think he was on roid? The guy was freaking huge and threw so freaking hard. He just seems very abnormal to me.

Pitchers don't go on roid, the gain in muscle mass doesn't offset the loss of flexibility from the increased muscle mass
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Steroids also help your muscles bounce back from strain more quickly, giving you better endurance which would definately help him considering how many saves he racked up.

 

[RaynorWolfcastle]

Originally posted by: MDE

Originally posted by: RaynorWolfcastle

Originally posted by: UncleWai
Am I the only think he was on roid? The guy was freaking huge and threw so freaking hard. He just seems very abnormal to me.

Pitchers don't go on roid, the gain in muscle mass doesn't offset the loss of flexibility from the increased muscle mass
edit: oops clicked quote instead of edit

Steroids also help your muscles bounce back from strain more quickly, giving you better endurance which would definately help him considering how many saves he racked up.

Benefits are marginal for a pitcher and Gagne doesn't look particularly built (I think he looks a little chunky, actually). I don't see him as being particularly shady.

 

[Gamingphreek]

I think "top closer" is a bit too strong with types like Mariano Rivera and Jason Isringhausen out there.

-Kevin

 

[tm37]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
I think "top closer" is a bit too strong with types like Mariano Rivera and Jason Isringhausen out there.

-Kevin

Isringhausen can hardly be descibed as a "top closer"

He is barley a good closer

 

[PoPPeR]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
I think "top closer" is a bit too strong with types like Mariano Rivera and Jason Isringhausen out there.

-Kevin

umm... sorry but have you followed baseball whatsoever the past couple of years? Rivera is still consistent but he's obviously on the decline. Still one of the best, but he's no longer invincible. Gagne took over the title as the best closer more than a year ago.

 

[aplefka]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
I think "top closer" is a bit too strong with types like Mariano Rivera and Jason Isringhausen out there.

-Kevin

Another dumb post by gamingphreek.

Are you retarded or blind? Gagne is EASILY the best closer. Isringhausen has never been good enough that he could be considered one of the greats, and between Rivera and Gagne it's been pretty obvious as of late who the better one is. He's one of three players to get 45 or more saves in a season, tell me how that makes him only one of the top 3 current closers?

I hope this isn't the end for him and I hope he doesn't need the surgery again. Two times can't be a good thing. While I'm disappointed on the fantasy side of things, and while he is a Dodger, I still think he is a fantastic pitcher and hope things turn out alright because he's a good player.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Another dumb post by gamingphreek.

Ok :roll: because i troll alll the time. What have i ever done to you.

Isringhausen is consistently right up next to Rivera. He has only blown one save this season. He has been the NL's closer for the All Star Game a lot, dont remember how many times. As for Rivera, i dont think he is on the decline. He really hasn't had an opportunity to save the team, as the Yankees aren't on the top like they used to be.

I agree with your last paragraph, and he is definitely one of the best, i dont believe he is the best.

-Kevin

 

[cmdavid]

Originally posted by: RaynorWolfcastle
Pitchers don't go on roid, the gain in muscle mass doesn't offset the loss of flexibility from the increased muscle mass
edit: oops clicked quote instead of edit

yes, pitchers do use roids...

 

[huesmann]

Originally posted by: ifesfor

Originally posted by: Sqube
Will someone please explain wtf a Tommy John surgery even is?

They take a muscle from your wrist and replace the damaged muscle in your elbow.The process is extremely tricky and very painful.

What, they don't use anaesthetic?

 

[sciencewhiz]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
He has been the NL's closer for the All Star Game a lot, dont remember how many times.

Considering he's been in the all star game once, and never as a national leaguer, you don't have much credibility.

 

[manly]

His surgery did not include "Tommy John" ligament replacement. Hopefully, he doesn't rush back to action.

 

[RbSX]

This was refuted a few days ago, he'll be out till after the all star break of 2006.. but seriously man, big deal, you treat it like it's a tragedy.

 

[Pacfanweb]

Possibly back by spring training. Great news for him.

 

[Soccer55]

Originally posted by: sciencewhiz

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
He has been the NL's closer for the All Star Game a lot, dont remember how many times.

Considering he's been in the all star game once, and never as a national leaguer, you don't have much credibility.

Actually, Baseball Reference says that he's a 3-time all-star (2002-2004).....all as a national leaguer as he's been on the Dodgers his whole career.

-Tom