LA Clippers owner racist rant at girlfriend

[Markbnj]

Entrapment and a setup

I really think so. I think she knew the train was pulling into the station, and she didn't much feel like getting off. If they were both drowning and I could only save one it would take awhile to decide.

Edit: probably when he shouted "Save me and I'll give you 100 million dollars" that would do it.

 

[rudeguy]

My respect for rudeguy is going down by the minute, and it didn't start much above homeless guy who forgot to wear pants who is trying to tell me about an investment opportunity. This is why these threads need to be in p&n so we don't see the dark side of people we joke around with.

and this is exactly why I go all in when these threads are in OT. This is a P&N thread that the mods decided could stay in OT. So I'm going to go in way deeper than I would if this were in P&N.

The truth is I don't care either way what happens. I just pointing out how blindly people follow what the media tells them to. Its just a bit scary really.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

It's a bigger story this time because the franchise is doing well and there are some potential buyers lined up. Nobody was going to buy the team during the apartment lawsuit or the Elgin Baylor lawsuit, so not much incentive to report on it. Did the players stand up with Elgin Baylor and stage protest when he made his claims? Nope. But oh wow, Magic Johnson might become our owner! Let's warm up in non-clippers apparel and consider boycotting the games.

Not to detract from the fact he is racist, but just offering my opinion on why this particular case of racism has more traction than previous cases of racism.

It's also a bigger story than Elgin Baylor's lawsuit because Elgin Baylor's lawsuit was based on hearsay and conjecture, Baylor was a demonstrably terrible executive (good grounds for firing), and the lawsuit was emphatically rejected by the jury, whereas this is several minutes of Sterling caught on tape offering racist opinions about numerous subjects. It's a lot harder to defend than firing a general manager who managed two winning seasons in 20+ years.

 

[eng2d2]

She is good in asking trigger questions. She is not innocent here. He on the other hand is just a paranoid person. He didn't say he dislike minorities, he is just worried about his business.

 

[bradley]

Entrapment and a setup

Agreed. Also illegal recording and racism not found, more like deep-seated bigotry in an 80+ year-old man. It's no wonder when Americans get their major news from TMZ.

Is it also racist that only 14% of the Clipper's current roster are not black in 2014? Please.

The thought police, they live inside of my head. The thought police, they come to me in my bed.

 

[momeNt]

It's also a bigger story than Elgin Baylor's lawsuit because Elgin Baylor's lawsuit was based on hearsay and conjecture, Baylor was a demonstrably terrible executive (good grounds for firing), and the lawsuit was emphatically rejected by the jury, whereas this is several minutes of Sterling caught on tape offering racist opinions about numerous subjects. It's a lot harder to defend than firing a general manager who managed two winning seasons in 20+ years.

The apartment discrimination case then?

 

[Atomic Playboy]

She is good in asking trigger questions. She is not innocent here. He on the other hand is just a paranoid person. He didn't say he dislike minorities, he is just worried about his business.

Yeah, Magic Johnson showing up to games really drags down those ticket prices.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

The apartment discrimination case then?

That one really should have gotten more play when it came out. But the Clippers were still God-awful at that point, and I don't think anyone expected anything but comic book villainy from someone like Donald Sterling, who had been a running punchline as an owner for his entire tenure.

 

[SP33Demon]

Newsflash, we are all racist to some degree. Very recent studies have shown that social cohesion (i.e. sense of community) and diversity cannot co-exist, even if public policy tries to encourage it.
http://msutoday.msu.edu/news/2013/study-asks-is-a-better-world-possible/

Neal said he started the project because past research had failed to turn up a city that is both truly integrated and cohesive – from the United States to the United Kingdom to Asia. But it’s not from lack of effort, he said.

“It’s not that local leaders and policymakers aren’t trying hard enough,” Neal said. “Rather, we now think it’s because the goals of integration and cohesion are just not compatible with each other.”

So in short, who gives a shit what this old white guy thinks, he's acting in a normal way that encourages social cohesion inside of his good ole' boys club. Morally it's not right, but there are a lot of things about human nature that we don't like such as greed, theft, lying, etc.

Racism isn't going away because of social cohesion, go take a look at all of the major cities that practice self segregation and even your local cafeteria. Yeah I said it, and science backs it as a fact now.

 

[veri745]

I love how so many people on hear confuse the rights and liberties afforded to us by the constitution with the court of public opinion.

Yes, the recording is probably illegal (assuming she was in the US), and Sterling should be protected from criminal prosecution from the government regarding free speech and his own personal opinions.

However, the NBA is not the government. The players and media are not the government. You have the right to spew whatever bigoted, racist, ignorant nonsense that you want, but you don't have the right not to be made fun of, insulted, fired from a private organization, or to be left alone by the public after doing so.

Any criminal case against the mistress for the recording is separate and unrelated.

 

[MarkXIX]

Racism isn't going away because of social cohesion, go take a look at all of the major cities that practice self segregation and even your local cafeteria. Yeah I said it, and science backs it as a fact now.

Can we please refrain from calling one scientific study science? Sure, it used a scientific method and sure there was a result that maybe seems to make sense, however, let's see more of these studies reach the same result over a period of time and similar results first.

 

[preslove]

In this thread, normal people think the guy is terrible human being, while racists think what he said isn't a big deal.

 

[rudeguy]

In this thread, normal people think the guy is terrible human being, while racists think what he said isn't a big deal.

errmmm....no

Normal people don't give a flying fark what some rich asshat said to his girlfriend in private. People with no lives who have to seek out things to rage against are terribly offended.

 

[SP33Demon]

Can we please refrain from calling one scientific study science? Sure, it used a scientific method and sure there was a result that maybe seems to make sense, however, let's see more of these studies reach the same result over a period of time and similar results first.

It wasn't just one study. There was at least one other that just came out in 2014, if I have more time I'll dig it up. Furthermore, this was from an AAU institution with credible peer review on that study.

Like I said, all you have to do is look to your local cities and cafeteria to know that self segregation is everywhere and it's just starting to come out why this is (social cohesion dynamics). This is also theorized why racist jokes are told to increase social cohesion among a subgroup; while that same group isn't going to tell such jokes outside of their subgroup. Are you seriously surprised that most people prefer hanging out with people more like themselves (race, socioeconomic status, education, etc)?

 

[preslove]

errmmm....no

Normal people don't give a flying fark what some rich asshat said to his girlfriend in private. People with no lives who have to seek out things to rage against are terribly offended.

The guy has a history of discriminating on rental housing. That's a huge deal. Sorry you're too much of a fucking idiot to recognize that.

 

[rudeguy]

The guy has a history of discriminating on rental housing. That's a huge deal. Sorry you're too much of a fucking idiot to recognize that.

Still not seeing how this affects me...or you...or anyone in this thread.

 

[Ns1]

The "despicable" racist remarks attributed to Clippers owner Donald Sterling drew bitter condemnation from his estranged wife today and appeared to have created an unbridgeable divide between him and his players.

Sacramento Mayor Kevin Johnson, working on behalf of the National Basketball Players Association, said the players want the NBA to ban Sterling from attending future playoff games this season and levy the maximum possible punishment against him in response to the comments he purportedly made by him to girlfriend V. Stiviano, ESPN reported.

Johnson met with NBA commissioner Adam Silver on Sunday before they attended Game 4 of the Clippers' first-round series against the Golden State Warriors. During the meeting, Johnson laid out what the players felt were key objectives in terms of the league's dealings with Sterling, according to ESPN.

"The players wanted to ensure that Mr. Sterling does not attend any games for the Clippers or any other team for the duration of the playoffs," Johnson said. "We're confident that the commissioner understood that this is an enormous distraction for everyone, and we want the focus to really be on the games and what's taking place on the court, and he certainly understood that."

He added: "We believe this is a defining moment for the league... It's defining moment for the commissioner and a defining moment for all the players in this league."

Johnson said he spoke to several NBA owners who were just as united as the players on the subject.

Sterling was at Game 3 Thursday night in Oakland and was planning to be at Game 4 on Sunday before speaking with the league and agreeing not to attend as it investigated his comments. Sterling's wife, Rochelle, however, was at Sunday's game and sat courtside across from the Clippers' bench in their 118-97 loss.

"I don't condone those statements and I don't believe in them," Rochelle Sterling told ESPN. "I'm not a racist. Never have been, never will be. The team is the most important thing to my family."

She elaborated on those statements this morning, saying in a statement: "Our family is devastated by the racist comments made by my estranged husband. My children and I do not share these despicable views or prejudices. We will not let one man's small mindedness poison the spirit of the fans and accomplishments of the team in the city we love. We are doing everything in our power to stand by and support our Clippers team."

The offensive remarks, which have not yet been authenticated by the NBA, were reported to have been made in a telephone conversation between Sterling and then girlfriend V. Stiviano. The man reported to have been Sterling castigates Vibiano for an Instagram picture of her with Dodgers star Matt Kemp and part Dodgers owner Earvin "Magic" Johnson and tells her not to bring backs to "my games."

The comments have been roundly condemned, including by the nation's basketball fan in Chief, President Barack Obama.

--City News Service

http://northhollywood.patch.com/gro...o-ban-don-sterling-from-rest-of-playoff-games

 

[Atomic Playboy]

Still not seeing how this affects me...or you...or anyone in this thread.

People aren't allowed to weigh in with their opinions on something unless it personally affects them... or unless they happen to be you, who despite protesting that this "doesn't affect me," is nonetheless weighing in with his opinion. This forum is filled with people weighing in with their opinions on matters that don't personally affect them. That's kind of what the internet is.

 

[OverVolt]

I love how so many people on hear confuse the rights and liberties afforded to us by the constitution with the court of public opinion.

Yes, the recording is probably illegal (assuming she was in the US), and Sterling should be protected from criminal prosecution from the government regarding free speech and his own personal opinions.

However, the NBA is not the government. The players and media are not the government. You have the right to spew whatever bigoted, racist, ignorant nonsense that you want, but you don't have the right not to be made fun of, insulted, fired from a private organization, or to be left alone by the public after doing so.

Any criminal case against the mistress for the recording is separate and unrelated.

Yea this man knows what true social justice is all about. Good for you. Hopefully when you are old people think the same way as they do now, but that is unlikely.

You don't have to agree with them but you should respect your elders. For this very reason. Because the world changes and at that age they cannot keep up.

It'll be you when you are that age, except "respect your elders" will have been long forgotten. So you'll be getting what you wished for I guess.

 

[rudeguy]

People aren't allowed to weigh in with their opinions on something unless it personally affects them... or unless they happen to be you, who despite protesting that this "doesn't affect me," is nonetheless weighing in with his opinion. This forum is filled with people weighing in with their opinions on matters that don't personally affect them. That's kind of what the internet is.

Giving their opinion is one thing. Acting hurt/outraged is another. Especially when much worse things are pointed out and ignored/justified.

The sad truth is there are some people out there that don't like black people. Some don't like Asians, some don't like whites. They are ignorant and a waste of oxygen in my eyes but that's where my concern ends. I have much better things to be outraged about than what some wrinkle dick rich guy said to his girlfriend. Like people who are outraged at a wrinkle dick rich guy

 

[KeithTalent]

Still not seeing how this affects me...or you...or anyone in this thread.

Really? May as well just turn off your internet then rude...

KT

 

[Markbnj]

The truth is I don't care either way what happens. I just pointing out how blindly people follow what the media tells them to. Its just a bit scary really.

BS. I listened to the whole tape, although I thought several times along the way that I was wasting time and there was no good reason to be investing in that particular audio. Nothing more than morbid fascination. You should just admit that you have a reflex desire to defend the guy that is a polar reflection of the reflex desire others have to attack him. You're right that it doesn't matter. So what? You saying some wealthy asshat inadvertently revealing his deep-seated racial biases to his gold-digger twit isn't ATOT mock-worthy? Even when he employs a team largely consisting of the same minorities whose company he would prefer not to enjoy, and whose physical talents and prowess earn him millions of dollars? If you want to defend the guy be my guest, but please climb down off the horse. I didn't decide that Stirling is a racist because TMZ said so. I decided he was a racist because any functioning human with a brain who listened to that tape would have to recognize the deep-seated bigotry. It would be a lot more troubling if he wasn't an 80 year-old relic of bad times.

 

[zinfamous]

While this guy is pretty vile and all, I sure hope someone is planning on digging up something similar from Dan Snyder of the Washington Redskins.

That would make me very happy, as a Redskins fan.

 

[OverVolt]

BS. I listened to the whole tape, although I thought several times along the way that I was wasting time and there was no good reason to be investing in that particular audio. Nothing more than morbid fascination. You should just admit that you have a reflex desire to defend the guy that is a polar reflection of the reflex desire others have to attack him. You're right that it doesn't matter. So what? You saying some wealthy asshat inadvertently revealing his deep-seated racial biases to his gold-digger twit isn't ATOT mock-worthy? Even when he employs a team largely consisting of the same minorities whose company he would prefer not to enjoy, and whose physical talents and prowess earn him millions of dollars? If you want to defend the guy be my guest, but please climb down off the horse. I didn't decide that Stirling is a racist because TMZ said so. I decided he was a racist because any functioning human with a brain who listened to that tape would have to recognize the deep-seated bigotry. It would be a lot more troubling if he wasn't an 80 year-old relic of bad times.

My granddad was racist till the day he died and I never agreed with him on that but by and large one of the main drivers of social change is when peoples opinions die with them. It is literally a fundamental tenet of how the world works. Its something I learned in highschool history and to me seems obvious. Its amazing to see such morons finger pointing about it, like this is somehow shocking than an 80yr old man has outdated opinions.

 

[Linflas]

While this guy is pretty vile and all, I sure hope someone is planning on digging up something similar from Dan Snyder of the Washington Redskins.

That would make me very happy, as a Redskins fan.

Don't worry, I guarantee the usual suspects at the Post are already writing their "Redskins name racist" equal to Sterling's remarks columns as I type this. Someone called into a DC radio show I was listening to this AM trying to equate them so you know it is coming.