LA Clippers Owner Donald Sterling's Racist Rant Caught On Tape

[michal1980]

What is hard to understand here? If she broke the law she should face the consequences. It in no way changes the fact that this guy has been outed as a terrible human being. I still find it funny that you think we should pretend this didn't happen because his girlfriend recorded him illegally.

A few days ago this 'terrible human being' was going to get an award for being a great human being. All because of a private conversation...


hmm which is it? Terrible or Great?

 

[fskimospy]

The question isn't about if it can be, but rather, if it should be, which is a subjective question of morality.

I really see this not too different than those who say alcoholism "runs in the family", and the problem with so-called "immutable characteristics" is that it has and can be used to justify anything.

While each person is free to make that moral judgment, the distinction that we were attempting to focus on here was the difference between immutable characteristics and actions. I think attempting to draw a distinction in which one would say that it is wrong/illegal to discriminate against someone based on being gay but okay to discriminate against them if they undertook any action related to being gay is a distinction without a difference.

As far as alcoholism goes, alcoholics are not a protected class. Additionally, the state can absolutely restrict actions and rights of protected classes, they just need to offer a compelling reason to do so. I can think of a whole bunch of things associated with alcoholism that the state would have a pretty easy time providing a compelling reason to restrict.

You don't think that idiots like Sterling used this kind of rationale to show how blacks are naturally born to be subservient to whites?

I'm not sure what this means.

 

[fskimospy]

A few days ago this 'terrible human being' was going to get an award for being a great human being. All because of a private conversation...

hmm which is it? Terrible or Great?

Uhmm, terrible. Haven't you been following the thread?

Between the Bundy thread and here I am simply baffled by the types of people that the conservatives here are willing to defend. It seems that their support is almost entirely based on the fact that liberals are opposed.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

It's absolutely shameful how the liberal media continues to gloss over Sterling's political affiliation while only outlets like Drudge, the NRO, and the Daily Caller out him as the Democrat he is. Oh, wait...
Shit.

 

[fskimospy]

It's absolutely shameful how the liberal media continues to gloss over Sterling's political affiliation while only outlets like Drudge, the NRO, and the Daily Caller out him as the Democrat he is. Oh, wait...
Shit.

How fun! Now we get to see if Matt1970's predictions of doom and gloom will happen.

 

[nehalem256]

Yes, I draw a distinction between people's actions and their immutable characteristics. People are responsible for what they do, not how they were born. Your continuing failure to understand this is pretty hilarious.

I have no doubt that it is not due to your inability to understand it, simply that it makes you think uncomfortable thoughts.

So in other words this statement by you was a lie:

No, I just promote people's freedom to associate and do business with whomever they choose. You apparently want to force people to do business with those they find objectionable. I guess I'm just more interested in freedom than you are.

You are perfectly fine with using the government to force people to do business with those they find objectionable.

Also, pretty sure that getting same-sex married is an action.

An action that by the way has nothing to do with being gay unless you think that marriage is fundamentally about sex. A belief which it is pretty much necessary to reject if think opposing same-sex marriage is bigotry.

 

[fskimospy]

So in other words this statement by you was a lie:

You are perfectly fine with using the government to force people to do business with those they find objectionable.

Also, pretty sure that getting same-sex married is an action.

An action that by the way has nothing to do with being gay unless you think that marriage is fundamentally about sex. A belief which it is pretty much necessary to reject if think opposing same-sex marriage is bigotry.

Nope, my statement is perfectly consistent with what I've always said. It is permissible to sanction others for doing things you find objectionable. It is not permissible to discriminate against people based on their immutable characteristics. To attempt to categorize my opinions as anything but that would simply be resorting to your usual dishonesty when confronted with arguments that you can't refute.

You have been so thoroughly owned so many times on the gay marriage issue that I feel no need to revisit it. Rest assured, your description of it is not shared by the courts. You are simply too irrational on the issue to discuss it further.

 

[MrPickins]

I find it sad but unsurprising that our resident partisan trolls can turn any thread into an us vs them scenario.

Give it a rest. The other side is not the devil...

 

[nehalem256]

Nope, my statement is perfectly consistent with what I've always said. It is permissible to sanction others for doing things you find objectionable. It is not permissible to discriminate against people based on their immutable characteristics. To attempt to categorize my opinions as anything but that would simply be resorting to your usual dishonesty when confronted with arguments that you can't refute.

*Unless that action is getting same-sex married.

 

[fskimospy]

*Unless that action is getting same-sex married.

Has already been covered in this thread and others.

 

[nehalem256]

Has already been covered in this thread and others.

Oh, I agree you hypocrisy has been stated in this thread and others.

My personal favorite was when you complained about the racist Washington Redskins team name while have a racist slur in your username.

 

[fskimospy]

Oh, I agree you hypocrisy has been stated in this thread and others.

My personal favorite was when you complained about the racist Washington Redskins team name while have a racist slur in your username.

I'm so glad that I could provide you with such fond memories!

An important thing to note is that you're probably not a good measure of what is hypocritical or not as you have proven yourself to be nearly entirely irrational when it comes to issues of ethnic minorities, gays, or women.

 

[mizzou]

OMG I hate drunk people rants. She's got one of those faces where she could be pretty much any race...I thought she was maybe south-east asian initially.

Sounds like she's trying to egg him on or catch him in a trap on what is his honest racist beliefs. It sounds like he has no active grudge or hatred with minorities, but he is inherently racist and that clouds his judgment of people who aren't white.

 

[Joepublic2]

ATTN, ATTN, this guy is not white, he's jewish. So stop blaming white males for this, thread/msm, we're not involved in any way.

Donald Tokowitz (legally added Sterling as his last name as an adult) was born in 1934 in Chicago, Illinois. He and his family moved to the Boyle Heights area of Los Angeles when he was two years old. His parents, Susan and Mickey, were Jewish immigrants.[4] He attended Theodore Roosevelt High School in Los Angeles, where he was on the school's gymnastics team and served as class president; he graduated in 1952. He next attended California State University, Los Angeles (Class of 1956) and Southwestern University School of Law (Class of 1960) in Los Angeles.[5]

 

[norseamd]

ATTN, ATTN, this guy is not white, he's jewish. So stop blaming white males for this, thread/msm, we're not involved in any way.

and we should stop blaming any african americans

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

ATTN, ATTN, this guy is not white, he's jewish. So stop blaming white males for this, thread/msm, we're not involved in any way.

So Jewish people can't be white? You learn something new every day!

 

[werepossum]

I just listened to that entire recording, god that is one cranky old racist coot. "Don't bring black people to my games (meaning Magic Johnson)," who she took a picture with.

He is from an era where they use to hang black people, so not surprising he is still as racist as ever. Why on earth would a beautiful woman like that continue a relationship with such a nasty person like that? She can do better. Glad she got him on tape.

You're seriously wondering why a beautiful young woman would continue a relationship with a nasty 70 year old near-billionaire? Are you perhaps under the impression that reality TV shows are brought by storks?

Please tell me you are kidding? What else besides having a basketball team has this guy done for black people?

Wouldn't that question be better asked of the NAACP?

This guy previously got another award from the NAACP. Need some street cred, buy an award would be my guess.

ESPN reported that the recording maybe not be him or has been altered. The woman that Sterling was supposedly talking to is being sued by him for large sum of money.

However, as usual in the media and here alledged means guilty until proven innocent.

I'd never heard of this guy, but I heard Rush today saying that Donald Sterling's racism was the NBA's worst-kept secret. So I'm guessing this is indeed his voice. Maybe she set him up as cover for some fraud, but that doesn't make him not guilty. Not that I care either way. If he wants to hire blacks and screw blacks but associate with blacks in public, that's his right. I do wonder who the hell calls him when his girlfriend posts a selfie with Magic Johnson.

I do think however that if upheld, this should be grounds for breaking a contract. Were I a black Clipper, I would not wanting to be making this man money.

 

[OCGuy]

So Jewish people can't be white? You learn something new every day!

at least 2 out of the 5 posts preceding yours would fit right in on Stormfront....

Wild stuff...

 

[waggy]

ATTN, ATTN, this guy is not white, he's jewish. So stop blaming white males for this, thread/msm, we're not involved in any way.

/facepalm

 

[norseamd]

and we should stop blaming any african americans

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_American#Admixture

since no one bothered to respond to my humor

 

[Victorian Gray]

Lets see. A lifetime of public life so free of racism the NAACP gives you an award.

Saying something stupid while drunk and your black gf is purposefully agitating you so she can make an illegal recording to get back at you for suing her for embezzling over a million dollars.

Yeah, gee, I wonder what I should give more weight to? :hmm:

You keep posting this as if it actually means something. The fact remains, he said what he said and nobody was holding a gun to his head to make him say those words.

You really should stick to advocating for the right to marry your toaster.

 

[brycejones]

ATTN, ATTN, this guy is not white, he's jewish. So stop blaming white males for this, thread/msm, we're not involved in any way.

Its posts like this that cause me to occasionally question if P&N isn't as bad as stormfront.

 

[bradly1101]

I couldn't disagree with this man's feelings on race any more than I do. He is a true bigot.

He's 82, and not only from a different time, from those recordings it sounds like he's gone a bit 'round the bend.

He's rich, and his much younger, more race-savy girlfriend knew of his bigotry. She also knew that if she recorded him and goaded him into his typical racist rant, she could have something she could use against him, probably for financial gain. No matter how much I disagree with him, he was speaking in (assumed) privacy, and I kinda feel worse about her.

I mean, when Alec Baldwin's rant to his uncommunicative daughter went out of control, my disdain was for Kim Basinger for recording him and releasing it, not Baldwin.

I guess this is what we can expect when TMZ writes the news.

 

[cubby1223]

The real message in all of this is we can tolerate racism so long as we can profit from it.

Anyone had the ability to do even a remedial check on this guy and find out who he is, and yet for all these years he kept on his way... because many were making money off of him.

But now that the tables have turned and it's more profitable to be against him, people are lining up their comments for the viral news as if your timing is so very courageous to report your story or pull your sponsorship now.

 

[bradly1101]

Breaking News: Some old farts (from all races) are bigots. Young folks too. Why do we listen to them or give them attention? Why do we care what this guy or Cliven Bundy think? [I know; they're relatively powerful]. At least Sterling tried to keep his feelings private. This is one of those times when everyone says, "Look!" and I just want to look away. It feels unseemly all around.