LA Archbishop: Undocumented immigrants should be given access to American dream

[Svnla]

First of all, there is no such thing as "undocumented". You are either LEGAL or ILLEGAL.

Secondly, no one is asking them to sneak in here, broke our immigration law, and then have the nerve to demand amnesty.

Gotta love this:

"We have to give them the opportunity if they want to be citizens," says Gomez, who also serves as the chairman of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops' Committee on Migration. "If…they don't have the opportunity, then we will create a permanent underclass in our society, which is not fair, and it's not the American way."

Look at the bolded and underlined parts. Anyone see anything wrong that that? All I see and hear is "give me..give me.. not fair". I do not see anything about responsibility, follow the law, and learn English.

LEGAL = si.

ILLEGAL = no.

Comprende? Gracias.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/power-p...migrants-given-access-american-111041861.html

Sort the comments by popular now and I agree with this poster.

Chris • 1 day 2 hrs ago Report Abuse
All you need to read from this article to realize the archbiship has a fundamental misunderstanding of the issue is the third paragraph:

>"We have to give them the opportunity if they want to be citizens," says Gomez,

They already HAVE that opportunity, just like everyone who wants to come into this country, to follow the long-established, LEGAL procedure for becoming a citizen.

>"If…they don't have the opportunity, then we will create a permanent underclass in our society,

No; THEY CHOOSE this illegal path on their own. ILLEGAL immigrants create that underclass THEMSELVES.

>which is not fair, and it's not the American way."

The American way is not about fairness, nor equality of outcome or standing. It is about the PURSUIT of happiness, not its guarantee

 

[Fenixgoon]

follow the law? what nonsense is this? </sarcasm>

 

[Incorruptible]

What a piece of shit. He needs to have his head examined and keep his mouth closed.

 

[thraashman]

What a piece of shit. He needs to have his head examined and keep his mouth closed.

Why do you hate Christians so much?

 

[Incorruptible]

Why do you hate Christians so much?

I hate Christians

You and your liberals hate Christians.

 

[shortylickens]

If most hispanics were protestant instead of catholic do you think he'd still give a shit?

 

[MomentsofSanity]

I hate Christians

You and your liberals hate Christians.

Why are you attacking the Archbishop then? Calling him a piece of shit is quite harsh. Not very Christian of you that's for sure.

 

[Incorruptible]

Why are you attacking the Archbishop then? Calling him a piece of shit is quite harsh. Not very Christian of you that's for sure.

He deserves to be called out for this stupidity and I dont care if he is Christian if you do wrong I will call you out.

 

[NoStateofMind]

There was a time, and not too long ago, that I didn't understand why our masters would allow the illegals to enter and once here propose citizenship. It's not about "fairness" or whatever BS you hear on TV. IMO Its about increasing the tax revenue by increasing the slave count. Simple mathematics.

 

[Jaskalas]

Can you just imagine someone 30 years from now saying the same things as the OP? The CA Governor, who then would be the son of illegals, would personally pay him a visit.

 

[Dari]

Gomez

There's your problem right there...

 

[nehalem256]

The United States is not creating an underclass. People who illegally invade our country are creating it. It seems like if you want to prevent an underclass maybe you should point the finger at those who are violating the law.

 

[DucatiMonster696]

Why are you attacking the Archbishop then? Calling him a piece of shit is quite harsh. Not very Christian of you that's for sure.

Good thing I'm not Christian.

I'll call him a piece of shit but not because he is Christian. That would probably your rationale it seems not doubt if you were to call him a piece of shit.

No he's a piece of shit for suggesting that lawbreakers (aka ILLEGAL immigrants) be given access to benefits and opportunities that law abiding LEGAL immigrants are waiting in line to gain access to once they full the law, go through the system and become US citizens in a LEGAL manner.

 

[Incorruptible]

Gomez

There's your problem right there...

I agree and the same can be said for many of the supporters.

 

[thraashman]

Look at the bolded and underlined parts. Anyone see anything wrong that that? All I see and hear is "give me..give me.. not fair". I do not see anything about responsibility, follow the law, and learn English.

LEGAL = si.

ILLEGAL = no.

Comprende? Gracias.

So you should be made aware that not all illegal immigrants are Hispanic. And that in fact a lot of illegal immigrants are people who overstayed their visas. And your assumption here as well as the mocking use of Spanish to make a narrow-minded point is quite offensive. I'd say you're being racist, but I believe technically you're being xenophobic.

 

[Svnla]

So you should be made aware that not all illegal immigrants are Hispanic. And that in fact a lot of illegal immigrants are people who overstayed their visas. And your assumption here as well as the mocking use of Spanish to make a narrow-minded point is quite offensive. I'd say you're being racist, but I believe technically you're being xenophobic.

Where did I ever say in the op as you put YOUR own words into my mouth as "all illegal immigrants are Hispanic"? Go ahead and quote my words. No, I don't want .."but..but..but", I want you to quote my own words.

Offensive? How about ignore another sovereign country's rules and laws, sneak in here ILLEGALLY in hordes after hordes, and then have the nerve to demand amnesty/citizenship? That's offensive!!!

Last time I check, overstaying your visa = ILLEGAL in every sovereign country on Earth and you would be deport immediately.

Nonpartisan Pew Hispanic Center data = http://www.nbcnews.com/id/41371038/...egal-immigrants-holds-steady-us/#.UVdN9pPvs-Y

Other Pew findings:

&#8212;Mexicans make up the majority of the illegal immigrant population at 58 percent, or 6.5 million. They are followed by people from other Latin American countries at 23 percent, or 2.6 million; Asia at 11 percent or 1.3 million; Europe and Canada at 4 percent or 500,000; and African countries and other nations at 3 percent, or 400,000.

58% plus 23% = 81%, very overwhelmingly the majority, don't you agree? You were saying something about assumption and narrow minded? Are you sure you are not talking about you?

Now your turn.

Can't debate with facts/truth/logic...pull out the race card/labeling. Did you learn that from certain poster(s) in here?

 

[nehalem256]

So you should be made aware that not all illegal immigrants are Hispanic. And that in fact a lot of illegal immigrants are people who overstayed their visas. And your assumption here as well as the mocking use of Spanish to make a narrow-minded point is quite offensive. I'd say you're being racist, but I believe technically you're being xenophobic.

And that makes things okay why?

 

[SheHateMe]

And that makes things okay why?

He did not say it was okay.

He was making a point that some of the illegal immigrants in this country did not come here illegally...but that they never left when they were supposed to.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

I predict that rather than fixing the failed legal immigration process Americans will continually whine about illegal immigrants while the lobbyists for those who use the illegal immigrants (it's the next best thing to legalized slavery) will keep the politicians from ever making a decision on this.

Legal immigration should be easier and illegal immigration should be impossible, THAT is a real solution.

 

[SheHateMe]

while the lobbyists for those who use the illegal immigrants (it's the next best thing to legalized slavery) will keep the politicians from ever making a decision on this.

Legal immigration should be easier and illegal immigration should be impossible, THAT is a real solution.

Exactly, I remember a news or a documentary piece I saw a few years ago, I can't remember...but investigative journalists found out that one of the popular poultry companies in this country were using illegal immigrants in California to work at one of the meat processing plants in SoCal. They gave them shelters in makeshift trailers on abandoned lots and were paying them next to nothing to work there.

If they got injured or had disciplinary problems, they called immigration and naturalization and had these camps raided.

The powers that be know that illegal immigrant labor is cheap and that many of these top corporations are probably using them for cheap labor in the fields.

Its definitely a new form of slavery. That food you're probably going to eat tonight....probably came about from the hands of an illegal immigrant.



*Btw, the company was Tyson and they were indicted for it in 2001, but acquitted of all charges in 2003

 

[nehalem256]

He did not say it was okay.

He was making a point that some of the illegal immigrants in this country did not come here illegally...but that they never left when they were supposed to.

And unless that point is that that somehow makes what they are doing okay it is nothing more than a deflection.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Exactly, I remember a news or a documentary piece I saw a few years ago, I can't remember...but investigative journalists found out that one of the popular poultry companies in this country were using illegal immigrants in California to work at one of the meat processing plants in SoCal. They gave them shelters in makeshift trailers on abandoned lots and were paying them next to nothing to work there.

If they got injured or had disciplinary problems, they called immigration and naturalization and had these camps raided.

The powers that be know that illegal immigrant labor is cheap and that many of these top corporations are probably using them for cheap labor in the fields.

Its definitely a new form of slavery. That food you're probably going to eat tonight....probably came about from the hands of an illegal immigrant.



*Btw, the company was Tyson and they were indicted for it in 2001, but acquitted of all charges in 2003

Used to happen all the time in the UK too, mostly eastern European immigrants but ever since the EU allowed free movement this has changed and now we have a lot less problems with immigration.

Despite what you may hear conservative retards saying we don't have more than 1.5% problem immigrants, the rest adapt just fine and that means that the problem is lesser among immigrants than among other residents.

Then there are Americans like Spidey007 who believe that all black people are illegal immigrants in the UK.... I found that strange but... obviously Americans are under the impression that because 1-2% of our population are fucking retarded EDL chavs and neds we have a huge immigration problem.

 

[Incorruptible]

Used to happen all the time in the UK too, mostly eastern European immigrants but ever since the EU allowed free movement this has changed and now we have a lot less problems with immigration.

Despite what you may hear conservative retards saying we don't have more than 1.5% problem immigrants, the rest adapt just fine and that means that the problem is lesser among immigrants than among other residents.

Then there are Americans like Spidey007 who believe that all black people are illegal immigrants in the UK.... I found that strange but... obviously Americans are under the impression that because 1-2% of our population are fucking retarded EDL chavs and neds we have a huge immigration problem.

Are you calling the EDL retards? These people are trying to stop sharia law and fighting for freedom from the radicals and you have the nerve to attack them. Shame on you

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Are you calling the EDL retards? These people are trying to stop sharia law and fighting for freedom from the radicals and you have the nerve to attack them. Shame on you

Why am I not surprised you would view burning and vandalizing mosques, minority owned businesses and anything to do with multiculturism in a positive light? But hey, anyone who attends a mosque must be a radical amiright?

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Are you calling the EDL retards? These people are trying to stop sharia law and fighting for freedom from the radicals and you have the nerve to attack them. Shame on you

Yes, i am calling the Neo Nazi federation of retarded unemployed lazy cocksuckers known as the EDL retards.

"trying to stop sharia law"? That is cute.

Perhaps i should go to the US and start cracking skulls of Christians to "defend the US from the inquisition"?

You don't have a fucking clue what you are talking about. I get that you have read about sharia courts in England but these are not legal courts, these courts act like the Church of England in that if both parties agree on something it can guide them, it has no legality what so ever, neither the sharia courts nor the CoE courts.

Not that you'll read and understand that at all, you'll just hear "you admit you have sharia courts, EDL are the true freedom fighters just like when the Nazis fought the Jews".

I'm a third generation immigrant Jew, the EDL hates me more than they hate the Pakis that they buy their kebabs from using their welfare money. Not one person in the EDL has ever upheld a proper job and the overwhelming majority are convicted felons, the more convictions, the higher up they are.

FUCK the EDL, they are a disgrace.