Fern
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Geesh
Seems to me this election cycle *withholding* info is more in fashion that ever before.
And people need to drop the partisan crap and get a little objectivity; the claim that "you don't see to see it because there's nothing bad in there, because we say so!" is so lame as to be laughable. That just never flies.
BTW: Why are people talking about "confidentiality of sources", I thought people wanted to see the vid (and that doesn't seem to have anything to do with the vid), does somebody care who gave the vid to the newpaper?
Fern
Seems to me this election cycle *withholding* info is more in fashion that ever before.
And people need to drop the partisan crap and get a little objectivity; the claim that "you don't see to see it because there's nothing bad in there, because we say so!" is so lame as to be laughable. That just never flies.
BTW: Why are people talking about "confidentiality of sources", I thought people wanted to see the vid (and that doesn't seem to have anything to do with the vid), does somebody care who gave the vid to the newpaper?
Fern
Only an idiot or a liar would think those two statements conflict. Which position does Khalidi hold in Obama's administration? What do his paid foreign policy advisors feel about Israel?
Fern
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Yeah, otherwise they'd be a pariah.
It may be that it's something they don't think is bad. Yet at the same time something they're fearful others may. I.e., it's better to just let them decide for us, we're not smart enough to figure it out for ourselves. We can't be trusted with info, we might accidentally hurt ourselves.
Fern
I read in the paper today that McCain helped funnel $448,000 to Khalid:
McCain pallin' with Palestinians!
"McCain also has ties to Khalidi through a group Khalidi helped found 15 years ago. The Center for Palestine Research and Studies received at least $448,000 from an organization McCain chairs."
McCain pallin' with Palestinians!
"McCain also has ties to Khalidi through a group Khalidi helped found 15 years ago. The Center for Palestine Research and Studies received at least $448,000 from an organization McCain chairs."
Fern
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OK, since the LA Times won't release the tape because it's not bad, there's nothing to see about Obama+Khalidi conection - it's not newsworthy.
OTOH, the Seattle Times published info about McCain and Khalidi. Are we then to assume that the Seattle Times does think there is something bad and newsworthy, however, when the Khalidi connection is with McCain?
Is that how this works?
Fern
Are you asking how two totally different newspapers could come to two different editorial decisions?
sandorski
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The LA Times published a story already based on what happened on the tape. Don't you think that it's possible that the Seattle Times story has something to do with the attempt to smear Obama for the same connection that McCain has? I suspect that is the motivation, IOW, the McCain relationshipwould be a non-story if Obama's connection would not have been brought up.
No, this is an article about McCain demanding that the tape be released, it covers the full controversy and just mentions McCain's hypocrisy in passing.
Living in the same neighborhood as Ayers = "pallin' with terrorists"
McCain giving a man McCain/Palin now alleges is tied to the PLO $448K = "nothing to see here, move along"
He did more than live in the same hood. They served on boards together, Ayers even held an affair in his home to kick off Obama's political career. Not judging Ayers on his past nor doubting his conversion to a productive member of scoiety. It still showed extremely poor judgement on Obama's part to associate with him considering his political ambition.
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Just like it showed extremely poor judgment on McCain's part to have Charles Keating kick off (and even finance) his early political career, and Congress even said as much.
But we're just supposed to ignore that, right? It's not like Keating was convicted and served prison time or anything like that.... oh wait.
I predict that a book will be published next year about McCain's campaign, titled "Throwing Rocks From Inside a Glass House."
Keatings' original convictions were overturned in 1996. McCain was found to have no involvement in what became known as the Keating Five scandal. "McCain later testified against Keating in a civil lawsuit brought by Lincoln bondholders, while the other four refused to testify."
McCain first took office in 1982, while the S&L issue didn't develop until years later. So McCain is supposed to be able to read the future, but Obama can ignore the past, makes sense.
Did Keating plan & execute terrorist attacks on our government & our citizens? Big difference in the actions of Keating/Ayers and when they were committed in relation the the respective candidates judgement of association.
McCain had to know that what Keating expected of him was wrong, but he but he merrily did it anyway.
Then why we has found to not have any involvement? Why did he then instead testify against Keating?
Comparing Keating to Ayers is a huge stretch, their actions are so far apart it's ridiculous. The timing is also crucial. There was no concrete proof Keating was doing anything wrong when McCain took a campaign donation from him. Even though he did take a contribution it is important to note he was not implicated in any wrongdoing in any way.
Ayers role in terrorist activities was clear, and was already on the table when Obama made that poor judgement. If it was found out AFTER Obama made that association it wouldn't be so relevant.
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And you're saying that Obama should be held accountable for what Ayers did when Obama was 8 years old? That makes no sense, especially as Ayers has since proven himself to be a worthy and upstanding citizen.
I'll address your points though:
McCain was found by Congress to have "exercised poor judgment" in his relationship with Keating. Exact words.
After his original convicted was overturned in 1996, Keating was retried in 1999, and pled guilty in a plea agreement that let him off for time already served.
Ayers was never convicted of any crime.
McCain's relationship with Keating goes back to 1981. Keating was a primary backer and financed McCain's original House run in 1982 and Senate run in 1986. In return, McCain had meetings with FHLBB regulators on Keating's behalf that could best be described as improper.
Keating defrauded the US taxpayers to the tune of $10 billion and caused one of the largest banking crises in American history.
The only people blown up by Ayers' bombs were a statue, his girlfriend, and his best friend.
Here's the problem. You expect me to give the candidates preferential treatment, and get offended by an objective argument. And what you're really missing here is that the Keating association demonstrates that, as a public official, McCain established a track record that he could be bought. And worse yet, unknowingly bought. A stooge.
So you compare that with the 60s radical turned college professor and civic leader that all the powerful and who's who in Chicago, Dem and Pub alike, have dealings with... and... you bring this up, why?
Oh that's right, to throw rocks from a glass house.
No involvement? Congress reprimanded him for the intimidation tactics...
You mean he wasn't found guilty of a crime...that is true.
"John McCain was accused of improperly aiding his political patron, Charles Keating, chairman of the Lincoln Savings and Loan Association. The bipartisan Senate Ethics Committee launched investigations and formally reprimanded Senator McCain for his role in the scandal. Today, John McCain is the only major party presidential nominee in US history to have been rebuked, censured or otherwise admonished after a Congressional ethics investigation"
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