Kuwait knows how to take care of business,,,

[fskimospy]

Save money and stop repeat offenders.

Saying it would stop repeat offenders doesn't make sense, people sentenced to death under our current system are still in jail even if they aren't executed yet.

Basically you're arguing that attempting to make sure we don't execute innocent people costs too much money so instead we shouldn't try. How about instead we learn the lesson the rest of the world already did and stop executing people?

 

[blackangst1]

Yes because public hanging is barbaric, but shooting 220 through someone's body is humane.

 

[Texashiker]

Saying it would stop repeat offenders doesn't make sense, people sentenced to death under our current system are still in jail even if they aren't executed yet.

I dont guess criminals ever harm anyone while they are in prison?

No guards ever get hit or stabbed? Other prisoners are never hurt?

 

[fskimospy]

I dont guess criminals ever harm anyone while they are in prison?

No guards ever get hit or stabbed? Other prisoners are never hurt?

So your goal in expediting executions is to reduce prison violence? What percentage of prison violence involves prisoners on death row?

 

[Texashiker]

So your goal in expediting executions is to reduce prison violence? What percentage of prison violence involves prisoners on death row?

One of the problems with our society is we tolerate violence. Whether it is violence on the streets or in the prisons, we can only put people in a box.

Is putting someone in a box and keeping them there for 12, 15,,,, 20 years until they are executed a form of true justice? That is not justice, that is warehousing. By keeping violent offenders in prison for life, we allow them to spread their disease to people who are going to be released.

If the government took a pro-active approach to purging violent offenders, rather than warehousing them, society would be better off in the long run.

 

[fskimospy]

One of the problems with our society is we tolerate violence. Whether it is violence on the streets or in the prisons, we can only put people in a box.

You didn't answer my question. You said that the purpose was to reduce repeat offenses, you need to justify that. I am aware of no data that supports this argument.

Is putting someone in a box and keeping them there for 12, 15,,,, 20 years until they are executed a form of true justice? That is not justice, that is warehousing.

Now you appear to be arguing that it is more just to execute innocent people than to hold guilty people for a long time before killing them.

If the government took a pro-active approach to purging violent offenders, rather than warehousing them, society would be better off in the long run.

How?

 

[zsdersw]

One of the problems with our society is we tolerate violence. Whether it is violence on the streets or in the prisons, we can only put people in a box.

Is putting someone in a box and keeping them there for 12, 15,,,, 20 years until they are executed a form of true justice? That is not justice, that is warehousing. By keeping violent offenders in prison for life, we allow them to spread their disease to people who are going to be released.

If the government took a pro-active approach to purging violent offenders, rather than warehousing them, society would be better off in the long run.

Violence and the people who employ it is not a finite resource that can be "purged" from one area with any amount of permanence.

Violence is driven by motives and psychological problems, neither of which can be "purged" from society.

 

[Texashiker]

You didn't answer my question. You said that the purpose was to reduce repeat offenses, you need to justify that. I am aware of no data that supports this argument.

I have this theory that violence (and crime in general) is like an infectious disease, as it is spread from one person to another.

John learns how to make crack, John teaches Mark, who in turn teaches William, who in turn teaches Bill,,,,, etc.

If the people are not willing to stop their disruptive behavior, purge them from society so their infection can no longer be spread.

How?

Stop warehousing criminals.

Either rehabilitate them, or execute them.

What do you do with a wild animal that keeps stealing your chickens? You shoot it. There is no rehab for a coyote or bobcat. Once they start stealing chickens they will not stop until all of your chickens are dead.

 

[fskimospy]

I have this theory that violence (and crime in general) is like an infectious disease, as it is spread from one person to another.

John learns how to make crack, John teaches Mark, who in turn teaches William, who in turn teaches Bill,,,,, etc.

If the people are not willing to stop their disruptive behavior, purge them from society so their infection can no longer be spread.

Can you offer any historical example where this has been effective? How do you square this idea with America's precipitously declining crime rates over the last 40 years?

Stop warehousing criminals.

Either rehabilitate them, or execute them.

What do you do with a wild animal that keeps stealing your chickens? You shoot it. There is no rehab for a coyote or bobcat. Once they start stealing chickens they will not stop until all of your chickens are dead.

Are you advocating for vastly expanding the list of crimes eligible for execution or are you advocating for a colossal expansion of government spending into social work?

 

[zsdersw]

I have this theory that violence (and crime in general) is like an infectious disease, as it is spread from one person to another.

This theory has nothing in common with or in any way resembles reality.

 

[Texashiker]

How do you square this idea with America's precipitously declining crime rates over the last 40 years?

Maybe the amount of people we have in prison and the declining crime rate are related? After all the US has the highest incarceration rate in the world.

Rather than fixing the problems that promote violent behavior, we just warehouse offenders.

Are you advocating for vastly expanding the list of crimes eligible for execution or are you advocating for a colossal expansion of government spending into social work?

I believe all living creatures should be treated with respect.

Rather than warehousing criminals, treat them with respect, and try to make them into productive citizens.

If HIV rates can be curved through education, why cant we curve crime rates through education?

If a criminal refuses to integrate into society, treat them like the coyote and chicken example, and put the criminal to death.

This theory has nothing in common with or in any way resembles reality.

Susan who is strung out on meth gets her friend Susy to try drugs, that is in no way like an infectious disease?

 

[fskimospy]

Maybe the amount of people we have in prison and the declining crime rate are related? After all the US has the highest incarceration rate in the world.

Rather than fixing the problems that promote violent behavior, we just warehouse offenders.

While they could be related, our incarceration rate doesn't even come close to accounting for it all. Additionally, you said this warehousing was a bad thing.

I believe all living creatures should be treated with respect.

Rather than warehousing criminals, treat them with respect, and try to make them into productive citizens.

If HIV rates can be curved through education, why cant we curve crime rates through education?

If a criminal refuses to integrate into society, treat them like the coyote and chicken example, and put the criminal to death.

So you are for a massive increase in government spending in this respect then. Apparently you believe that if this re-education fails however they should be executed. What sort of crimes should merit execution?

 

[Texashiker]

So you are for a massive increase in government spending in this respect then.

The massive spending increase would not last long, maybe a couple of decades.

The spending increase would be like vaccinating against whooping cough. Infection rates would get down to manageable levels where the infection is easier and less expensive to deal with.

There would be a spending increase to start with, but in the long run spending would go down.

Apparently you believe that if this re-education fails however they should be executed. What sort of crimes should merit execution?

How about three strikes and your out, like what some states currently have.

Three violent offenses and you are put to death.

Several months ago there was a murder in Beaumont Texas. The guy who committed the murder had been in and out of prison for most of his adult life. The guy committed the murder just a few weeks after being released for serving time on an assault conviction. Rather than dealing with the career criminals before they kill someone, society waits until someone is dead, then we deal with the offender.

The warehouses are full. The only current options are to release offenders, build more warehouses, or put them to death.

 

[blackangst1]

One of the problems with our society is we tolerate violence. Whether it is violence on the streets or in the prisons, we can only put people in a box.

Is putting someone in a box and keeping them there for 12, 15,,,, 20 years until they are executed a form of true justice? That is not justice, that is warehousing. By keeping violent offenders in prison for life, we allow them to spread their disease to people who are going to be released.

If the government took a pro-active approach to purging violent offenders, rather than warehousing them, society would be better off in the long run.

I wholeheartedly disagree with your assessment of justice.

But then, Im just a wacky conservative who opposes the death penalty.

 

[fskimospy]

The massive spending increase would not last long, maybe a couple of decades.

The spending increase would be like vaccinating against whooping cough. Infection rates would get down to manageable levels where the infection is easier and less expensive to deal with.

There would be a spending increase to start with, but in the long run spending would go down.

You realize that the US tried this exact tactic in the past, right?

How about three strikes and your out, like what some states currently have.

Three violent offenses and you are put to death.

Several months ago there was a murder in Beaumont Texas. The guy who committed the murder had been in and out of prison for most of his adult life. The guy committed the murder just a few weeks after being released for serving time on an assault conviction. Rather than dealing with the career criminals before they kill someone, society waits until someone is dead, then we deal with the offender.

The warehouses are full. The only current options are to release offenders, build more warehouses, or put them to death.

So you get in three bar fights and you're put to death?

 

[Texashiker]

I wholeheartedly disagree with your assessment of justice.

What is justice?

Is someone being a burden on society a form of justice?

Whether someone is robbing a store, or being held in prison, isn't in both cases the person a burden?

How is an insurance company paying for stolen merchandise, and the public paying for food, water, healthcare,,, that much different from each other? In both cases the criminal is causing problems and costing money.

You realize that the US tried this exact tactic in the past, right?

Such as?

So you get in three bar fights and you're put to death?

Or molesting three children,
Or robbing three stores,
Or stealing three cars,
Or burning 3 homes,,,

 

[fskimospy]

Such as?

Starting in about the 1820's.

Or molesting three children,
Or robbing three stores,
Or stealing three cars,
Or burning 3 homes,,,

Stealing three cars = execution? Holy shit. Your version of justice is horrifying and repugnant.

 

[bshole]

I suspect that people who want public executions need new masturbation material and this would neatly fit the bill. There is something seriously twisted and dark in people who want to see other people killed in front of them.

 

[Texashiker]

Stealing three cars = execution? Holy shit. Your version of justice is horrifying and repugnant.

Did you forget about my previous post on rehabilitation?

And what is justice? How is putting someone in a box for the rest of their lives justice?

 

[Theb]

Save money and stop repeat offenders.

How much money money do we need to save before it's worth killing innocent people? $100K saved through efficiency for each innocent person executed? A million?

 

[Texashiker]

How much money money do we need to save before it's worth killing innocent people? $100K saved through efficiency for each innocent person executed? A million?

Which would be more humane, to hold a person in prison for the rest of their natural lives, or put them to death?

No system ever built by man is going to be perfect, much less a legal system.

I have no wish to see an innocent person put to death.

How does society protect itself, while ensuring no innocent people are convicted?

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Which would be more humane, to hold a person in prison for the rest of their natural lives, or put them to death?

No system ever built by man is going to be perfect, much less a legal system.

I have no wish to see an innocent person put to death.

How does society protect itself, while ensuring no innocent people are convicted?

You will never eliminate innocent people being convicted. What you propose would eliminate any chance of them being cleared before they are put to death.

 

[monovillage]

Just trying to make sure i have this right. The Kuwaitis investigated crimes which were child rape and premeditated murder by arson. They tried and convicted the men that committed these horrible crimes. They then carried out the judicial sentence of death by hanging on the criminals?

We now have a few progressives that get their panties in a bunch over the hangings, but not about the child rapes or the murders that got these guys sentenced to hanging?

 

[Doppel]

Just trying to make sure i have this right. The Kuwaitis investigated crimes which were child rape and premeditated murder by arson. They tried and convicted the men that committed these horrible crimes. They then carried out the judicial sentence of death by hanging on the criminals?

We now have a few progressives that get their panties in a bunch over the hangings, but not about the child rapes or the murders that got these guys sentenced to hanging?

I didn't realize that there were two sides to the child rape issue.'is it a regular debate point? Are there many people in support of it? Perhaps that is why It isn't being discussed. It is not a wedge issue.

 

[monovillage]

I didn't realize that there were two sides to the child rape issue.'is it a regular debate point? Are there many people in support of it? Perhaps that is why It isn't being discussed. It is not a wedge issue.

I think it deserves the death penalty, but then I'm a right winger.