Kushner left more than 100 names off his thrice amended security clearance form

[Jhhnn]

Serious question: if you get roped into a meeting to trade russian state intel for help on unfreezing russian assets, would you remember to put the names on your security clearance form?

It was just a nothingburger that slipped his mind. Besides that, the rules are for the little people, anyway.

 

[UberNeuman]

Was that Gene Gene the Dancing Machine?
I was too young to remember specifics

You win twenty internet points! I find myself thinking of Mr. Machine's dance moves as my new bestie keeps yamming away about how everyone else is to blame for Trump except for his voters and the party that still supports him.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

You win twenty internet points! I find myself thinking of Mr. Machine's dance moves as my new bestie keeps yamming away about how everyone else is to blame for Trump.

I think this

or this

 

[Starbuck1975]

I thought this thread was about Jared Kushner & how he came to be where he is. That's what it says at the top of the page.

And it's not really germane to go about assigning blame to the losers. Trump won, and it's important to acknowledge that & understand how he did it. The population needs to be inoculated against it.

Or Libs can just chew on our own leg, as you suggest.

Do you not feel frustration towards the press for normalizing his candidacy? It wasn't just Fox News. Throughout the campaign season, news networks far and wide breathlessly awaited Trump's next tweet, with entire talk show segments, late night television, social media and everything in between suffocating the narrative.

It is important to understand how he did it, but with acknowledgment also comes a critical eye towards the defeated. That is inescapable. As you pointed out, the libs here seem to prefer the leg approach.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Oh I'm absolutely a derpy troll, please don't let one or two loosely coherent sentences lead you to believe otherwise.

But that is just a convenient deflection allowing us to dismiss the very real possibility that John McCain's poor choices in 2012 handed an unearned victory to a weak Barrack Obama thus emboldening Putin to take advantage of this opening, hence the overt audacity of what continues to unfold.

I am open to extending the narrative thread as far back as it goes, and do not fear where it takes us. Is McCain not to blame for unleashing Sarah Palin, and with her the first early warning indicators that set the stage for Trump?

 

[trenchfoot]

It was just a nothingburger that slipped his mind. Besides that, the rules are for the little people, anyway.

And with the power and inordinate influence that their wealth blesses them with, folks like the Trumps are hellbent on pushing the limits of those rules in their favor and decidedly against the will of the little people making things so much easier for the Trumps of the nation to exploit at their leisure.

The little people of the nation are the vast majority that, through their unification, can dictate terms to the few very wealthy, of whom have wrested an innate power from the little people, and that something is constitutionally vested in them through the power of their vote. The very wealthy have done this via splitting the working class demographic into warring factions by forcibly pointing out what makes them different from each other and why they should hate each other because of it.

The GOP leadership, and most every one of the Repub legislators they lord over have been bought and paid for by these few wealthy folks of whom lavishly benefit from this arrangement, but its been at the expense of the little people who have seen their economic power continuously dwindle while the economic power of the few very wealthy continue to expand more and more.

That the GOP have quite successfully exploited their policy of dividing and conquering through incessantly sowing fear and hate in the hearts and minds of their constituency is the one major impediment toward unification of the working class, yet is the one and only tool the GOP has left toward keeping their constituency under their control.

Without it, it would immediately become quite clear to every working class American who their actual enemy really is, and they're few, they're right here at home, and they are hard at work keeping the nation divided and spiteful of "the others".

Trump did exactly that through his presidential campaign, no two ways about it.

 

[jackstar7]

Do you not feel frustration towards the press for normalizing his candidacy? It wasn't just Fox News. Throughout the campaign season, news networks far and wide breathlessly awaited Trump's next tweet, with entire talk show segments, late night television, social media and everything in between suffocating the narrative.

The thing is that the press shows signs of fighting for its soul. How many Trump voters can say they are doing the same?

In my opinion Hilary only did one thing wrong in her campaign and that was not demonstrate every moment how smart and capable that she was in stark comparison to Trump. She tried to soften herself and it played as phony and weak. As much as the dummies of this country loathe the idea of a women in charge, if the woman can demonstrate how she kicks ass that will win people over, because they want to be on the winning side.

She was never a weak candidate, except in the image department and even then, it is clear that various forces were working against her in ways heretofore unprecedented.

 

[Starbuck1975]

The thing is that the press shows signs of fighting for its soul. How many Trump voters can say they are doing the same?

In my opinion Hilary only did one thing wrong in her campaign and that was not demonstrate every moment how smart and capable that she was in stark comparison to Trump. She tried to soften herself and it played as phony and weak. As much as the dummies of this country loathe the idea of a women in charge, if the woman can demonstrate how she kicks ass that will win people over, because they want to be on the winning side.

She was never a weak candidate, except in the image department and even then, it is clear that various forces were working against her in ways heretofore unprecedented.

Image is everything in politics. I used to have a tremendous amount of respect for both McCain and Romney. One the maverick and the other a very successful governor. McCain chose the derp path in choosing Palin and Romney distanced himself from his bipartisan accomplishments to distinguish himself to the right of a surprisingly centrist Obama. Both were strong candidates yet made fatal errors. I am not so emotionally attached to either candidate that it bothers me to admit so, nor does it bother me when others do the same.

The Clintonistas just can't bring themselves to accept that she stumbled repeatedly and that the FBI investigation and perhaps the heat exhaustion episode, more so than anything, significantly crippled her campaign, more so given the unpredictable populist tone that emerged for this election.

 

[brycejones]

Serious question: if you get roped into a meeting to trade russian state intel for help on unfreezing russian assets, would you remember to put the names on your security clearance form?

Come on Ackmed its a simple question for you to answer. Also trying to bring this thread back on topic. Its about Kushner and his repeated "forgetting" of meeting with foreign agents. Not about who the Democratic candidate for President was. That election is over. Own it and all the crap like the subject of this thread that comes from the outcome of that election.

 

[jackstar7]

Image is everything in politics. I used to have a tremendous amount of respect for both McCain and Romney. One the maverick and the other a very successful governor. McCain chose the derp path in choosing Palin and Romney distanced himself from his bipartisan accomplishments to distinguish himself to the right of a surprisingly centrist Obama. Both were strong candidates yet made fatal errors. I am not so emotionally attached to either candidate that it bothers me to admit so, nor does it bother me when others do the same.

The Clintonistas just can't bring themselves to accept that she stumbled repeatedly and that the FBI investigation and perhaps the heat exhaustion episode, more so than anything, significantly crippled her campaign, more so given the unpredictable populist tone that emerged for this election.

Give what you're saying here some thought. Image being everything... how does that work out?

Maybe stop subscribing to that.

 

[FIVR]

Lol how the F did he even find 100 foreign people to meet with when he is a mediocre American real estate developer? That is an absurdly high number for even an international business person (which Kushner is not). This guy must have gone to every foreign embassy he could find and asked for somebody to hack HRC.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Come on Ackmed its a simple question for you to answer. Also trying to bring this thread back on topic. Its about Kushner and his repeated "forgetting" of meeting with foreign agents. Not about who the Democratic candidate for President was. That election is over. Own it and all the crap like the subject of this thread that comes from the outcome of that election.

Is it really that hard to understand? Look at both his history and that of his father. These are people who get ahead in life by skirting the laws that apply for the rest of us. He probably approached the disclosure requirements on his security form with the same contempt and arrogance that such people extend to anything safeguarded by the rule of law.

Let's also not pretend that many people truly care about his security clearance. What this is really about is the fact that Kushner's error, either done deliberately to hide something or out of sheer arrogant ignorance, is big enough a problem that investigators can exploit it as a vulnerability in the Trump lie machine. Can't tweet your way out of a federal offense.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Give what you're saying here some thought. Image being everything... how does that work out?

Maybe stop subscribing to that.

I don't claim it to be a good thing, but it is an unfortunate truth. In the age of social media, politics is increasingly about perception and controlling the narrative.

 

[Jhhnn]

Do you not feel frustration towards the press for normalizing his candidacy? It wasn't just Fox News. Throughout the campaign season, news networks far and wide breathlessly awaited Trump's next tweet, with entire talk show segments, late night television, social media and everything in between suffocating the narrative.

It is important to understand how he did it, but with acknowledgment also comes a critical eye towards the defeated. That is inescapable. As you pointed out, the libs here seem to prefer the leg approach.

I'll put it to you in the simplest terms- How is it that so many people can't see through Trump's con?

Your efforts merely concern troll us away from that fundamental question.

 

[jackstar7]

I don't claim it to be a good thing, but it is an unfortunate truth. In the age of social media, politics is increasingly about perception and controlling the narrative.

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[Starbuck1975]

I'll put it to you in the simplest terms- How is it that so many people can't see through Trump's con?

Your efforts merely concern troll us away from that fundamental question.

That is the fundamental question. Can you answer it? I think most people, including those who voted for him, are well aware of the con. The greater concern is why they seemingly don't care. Of equal concern is the arrogance and eliticism of those trying to libsplain it.

 

[emperus]

That is the fundamental question. Can you answer it? I think most people, including those who voted for him, are well aware of the con. The greater concern is why they seemingly don't care. Of equal concern is the arrogance and eliticism of those trying to libsplain it.

It's akin to those that get cheated in anything in life by a con man. A lot of people would rather defend it then admit that they were idiots(for whatever reason) that got cheated.

 

[ch33zw1z]

That is the fundamental question. Can you answer it? I think most people, including those who voted for him, are well aware of the con. The greater concern is why they seemingly don't care. Of equal concern is the arrogance and eliticism of those trying to libsplain it.

Seriously, peer pressure.

 

[fskimospy]

That is the fundamental question. Can you answer it? I think most people, including those who voted for him, are well aware of the con. The greater concern is why they seemingly don't care. Of equal concern is the arrogance and eliticism of those trying to libsplain it.

The answer is pretty easy: tribalism from negative partisanship. People don't vote for candidates, they vote against the hated enemy. It's extremely easy to see when you look at the changes in polling about what republicans value in a candidate.

 

[agent00f]

That is the fundamental question. Can you answer it? I think most people, including those who voted for him, are well aware of the con. The greater concern is why they seemingly don't care. Of equal concern is the arrogance and eliticism of those trying to libsplain it.

Let's wait for Jhhnn to insist on denial even when they cop to it.

The answer is pretty easy: tribalism from negative partisanship. People don't vote for candidates, they vote against the hated enemy. It's extremely easy to see when you look at the changes in polling about what republicans value in a candidate.

Guess that's why they were so enthused about the birther magnate out of a field of 16 candidates.

 

[ivwshane]

Let's wait for Jhhnn to insist on denial even when they cop to it.



Guess that's why they were so enthused about the birther magnate out of a field of 16 candidates.

Deep down when you know your party sucks, the guy that has the potential to destroy it becomes the candidate of choice. Their team still gets a win and they get to say fu to their party leaders.

Is there and underlying racist element to it? Sure and I'm pretty sure its been there for a while. The amount of overt racism I've seen people display since Obama was elected has been greater than I've seen prior in my life and has since been amplified after trumps win.

 

[Jhhnn]

That is the fundamental question. Can you answer it? I think most people, including those who voted for him, are well aware of the con. The greater concern is why they seemingly don't care. Of equal concern is the arrogance and eliticism of those trying to libsplain it.

Your attempts at obfuscation are better than most. People who've been conned simply reject information that should clue them in. That's how it works- the perp gains their confidence. It's why the original term is confidence man.

 

[alien42]

That is the fundamental question. Can you answer it? I think most people, including those who voted for him, are well aware of the con. The greater concern is why they seemingly don't care. Of equal concern is the arrogance and eliticism of those trying to libsplain it.

"There exists in society a very special class of persons that I have always referred to as the Believers. These are folks who have chosen to accept a certain religion, philosophy, theory, idea or notion and cling to that belief regardless of any evidence that might, for anyone else, bring it into doubt. They are the ones who encourage and support the fanatics and the frauds of any given age. No amount of evidence, no matter how strong, will bring them any enlightenment." - James Randi

 

[agent00f]

Deep down when you know your party sucks, the guy that has the potential to destroy it becomes the candidate of choice. Their team still gets a win and they get to say fu to their party leaders.

Is there and underlying racist element to it? Sure and I'm pretty sure its been there for a while. The amount of overt racism I've seen people display since Obama was elected has been greater than I've seen prior in my life and has since been amplified after trumps win.

The same racism was always there if scientific studies of the matter are correct, it was just suppress from public display by "political correctness" and the related social stigma, which racists certainly hate for what should be obvious reason.

Trump basically says FU to "political correctness", which the base see their leadership as weak for accepting. I mean, the gop were ready to embrace amnesty and even got behind a visibly hispanic candidate. The birther magnate is their breath of fresh air. Witness chucky who supposedly hates all gubmint officials defend his guy to the death.

 

[Starbuck1975]

"There exists in society a very special class of persons that I have always referred to as the Believers. These are folks who have chosen to accept a certain religion, philosophy, theory, idea or notion and cling to that belief regardless of any evidence that might, for anyone else, bring it into doubt. They are the ones who encourage and support the fanatics and the frauds of any given age. No amount of evidence, no matter how strong, will bring them any enlightenment." - James Randi

That's a great quote. I've not encountered it before.