Kurt Cobain - Why all the fuss?

[SackOfAllTrades]

maybe it's because he died when his popularity wasn't on the decline. the public didn't really get to see the "fading away" of Cobain. maybe had he lived a lot longer, and more people got used to his existance as a mere musician, then his death would not be as tragic (but any death is still very tragic).

I dunno, he's dead anyway and everyone should just move on. Many musicians say that if he was still putting music out right now it'd be better than the stuff currently in the top40...honestly who knows and who cares, i don't.

 

[RU482]

Ha!! My 2 cents.

Kurt Cobain is the poster child of the short period in musical history, right between the pathetic Hair Band 80's and the even more pathetic mid-to-late 90's.

And as for the current trends, to quote a good friend of mine, "the music industry needs a good doucheing soon".

 

[DaejangNim]

there should be no fuss, yes he did do some good music, but what kind of idiot kills himself? and y people think thats honorable i dont know, the only honorable death i see is the people who died in war defending their country.

 

[Soybomb]

Like hell it wasn't the easy way out. The man was a pansy.



<< Do millions of people have your CDs? >>

I guess then that britnay spears existance is worth more than the dali llama's. After all he has no smash cd's. If you think that you need to be famous to have a positive impact on people, you don't really know what a positive impact is. I think on the whole the teachers that put in those &quot;menial&quot; 9-5 jobs are a much better influence on kids then cracked out singers and drunken whore loving athletes.

I'm still shocked that someone put hunter s. thompson under the genius catagory....

 

[bandXtrb]

There are some things that some of you bigots need to understand..

Yes, suicide is a bad way out, but not necessarily the 'gutless' way out.

Nobody wants to kill themselves for any reason; it is against our nature. People can be in very bad condition, and still feel like continuing with their life -- however, there are limits. What Kurt Cobain was experiencing was incredible, unbearable pain -- physical, emotional, etc. You have no idea how much this man was tortured. Depression is a mental illness that sucks out all the pleasure in life, and replaces it with pain, hopelessness and misery, where every second of life is hell. He is not an idiot or a pansy, you are ignorant fscks and have no right to make these character judgements.

 

[Soybomb]

How is suicide not the gutless way out? He gave up. Its as simple as that. He had considerable wealth, a wife/gf/whatever, and a child right? Because he thought he couldn't handle stuff he caused them lots of pain and suffering. To me that seems like he did what was the easiest thing to him. As a parent its your job to make personal sacrifices for your children, if that means he wasn't completely happy, tough he shoulda' though of that before he became a parent. What he did was irresponsible and I still think it was the sissy way out. His life wasn't bad enough to justify the ending of it, he just didn't want the work it would take to make it better.

 

[SackOfAllTrades]

Cmin has a point. Since when is suicide automatically something idiotic? Maybe most of you guys don't have the kind of emotional depth to realize that making such a judgement based on that alone is moronic. I don't encourage suicide, but I don't look down on people who do commit it. Why? It's unnecessary.

&quot;Oh he shot himself, how stupid...&quot; <--- that's just sad...

 

[Stifko]

Suicide ISN'T automatically something idiotic, but it IS the cowardly way out.

What kind of grief is so terrible for a rock star that he has to kill himself?

He just didn't have a halfway supportive group of friends and probably did a lot of drugs, and that coupled w/whatever headtrip he was on was too much.

Such a waste.

 

[guitronics]

Amen to that ,bro.If a person has never been suicidal,they will not understand that a person who chooses to end their life is in extreme pain.

It is real pain,the same as if ya cut your leg off.I don't advocate suicide,if somebody is suicidal,they need professional help, and the support of those around them.

Pain is pain,and to a person in mental anguish, it's as real as anything physical.

The person in such a situation did not choose to be in that pain.They need help, and if asking for help is pansy-assed,then if you ever break a bone in your body,try to wish it to be healed.

My guess is that your pain will force you to go to a professional...a Doctor.A mentally ill person will not usually have the clarity of thought to do so.

A tough guy would just put duct tape on it, and go do some exercise.That would not make him very smart,though.

 

[Sugadaddy]

Sorry, but suicide isn't automatically the &quot;cowardly way out&quot;. Some people are affected by depression, and it is an illness. You don't choose to be like that.



<< What he did was irresponsible and I still think it was the sissy way out >>


How can you say that? You've probably never been in a similar situation, and most likely never will, so you have absolutely no idea of what you would do in those instances. Sure, you're going to say you'd just cope with it and be a &quot;man&quot;, it's always easy to speak about something from the outside, but being in the situation is very different.

I don't think killing yourself is the right thing to do, but I can still understand some of the people who do it. Try to have a little more of an open mind...


As for the music part, I've never listened to Nirvana that much, but I could still appreciate it, and I still do. I think he did have a great impact on the music world, and his influence his probably still present.

 

[lowfatbaconboy]

uh i took it that there was much controversy over his wife some how killing him....or something with drug overdose or how ever the hell he killed himself....

 

[ggavinmoss]

He was talented, his music is missed, I'm glad I haven't gone through the same pain he did.

It's easy to say someone is weak and gutless when you're not walking in his/her shoes. He did have, as all celebrities do, a persona and life outside the camera's view. That Kurt Cobain was a tortured individual. And I highly doubt we'd be having this discussion if &quot;Joe Shmoe,&quot; the local junkie, blew off his head.

-geoff

 

[bandXtrb]

He had considerable wealth, a wife/gf/whatever, and a child right?

Money loses all of its value when you feel that bad, one cannot buy his or herself into feeling better. Wfe/gf was a real b!tch I hear, and the child, well, a child helps some people in not killing themselves , but I guess he was beyond it.

f that means he wasn't completely happy, tough he shoulda' though of that before he became a parent>>

Far from it.. smeone does not kill themself because he or she is not completely happy.

His life wasn't bad enough to justify the ending of it, he just didn't want the work it would take to make it better.

The person is overcome with hopelessness, a feeling that there is no possibility for anything to get better.

Suicide ISN'T automatically something idiotic, but it IS the cowardly way out. What kind of grief is so terrible for a rock star that he has to kill himself?>>

What grief? You have no idea... obviously for someone to kill themself, it is enormous (see below) Let's see what you would do in his situation.

<<It is real pain,the same as if ya cut your leg off.I don't advocate suicide,if somebody is suicidal,they need professional help, and the support of those around them.

Pain is pain,and to a person in mental anguish, it's as real as anything physical.

The person in such a situation did not choose to be in that pain.They need help, and if asking for help is pansy-assed,then if you ever break a bone in your body,try to wish it to be healed.>>

Exactly, imagine someone torturing you all day, cutting off your toes, stabbing nails into you, etc... It's just that the pain is in a different form.

 

[bigbootydaddy]

<< I think on the whole the teachers that put in those &quot;menial&quot; 9-5 jobs are a much better influence on kids then cracked out singers and drunken whore loving athletes. >>


my parents where/are the only influence I will ever need...music is an impact, even to the teeny boppers, but if you base way too much of your life on it (as long as it isnt you who makes the music) then really, you need more depth to your life.

 

[loosbrew]

Kurt Cobain had an incredible stomach ailment that lead him to his heroin addiction to &quot;ease&quot; the pain. along with this the man was depressed. i think kurt represented an underground crown of people that really didnt have any place to go until nirvana came along. the simplistic songwriting along with phenomenal lyrics makes him an incredible artist. his passion for what he did, and his ways of showing people that really proves his worth. Many people are talking about how he was a coward for killing himself, but let it be known that there are many more facts that lead to him being killed than him killing himself. the level of heroin in his blood at the time of the shooting was way more than this body weight supposedly can handle to even pick up the gun. his note that didnt have one thing to do with killing himself until the last four lines, which were written in someone elses handwriting. the fact that he almost died in italy from what was a &quot;almost deadly mix of alcohol and pills&quot; while spending a nice evening in a hotel with his wife! shes a whore, and shes the one that deserved to die.

aside from that, nirvana also had dave grohl who in my eyes, is an incredible musician by himself. he help write alot of the music for the In Utero, and its cool to see him continue on with his life as a great artist

loosbrew

 

[obiwaynekenobi]

<< Here are some of the people I am aware of who are or were extremely talented,but also are or were full-blown addicts/alcoholics:Eric Clapton,Keith Richards, Nicola Tesla(inventor of A.C. electricity),Eddie Van Halen,Johnny Winter,John Lennon,Sigmund Freud(grandfather of psychology/psychiatry),Hunter S. Thompson(writer),&quot;Alice Cooper&quot;,Pete Townsend,Stevie Ray Vaughn,Jimi Hendrix,Janis Joplin,Jim Morrison,Grace Slick,Sir Winston Churchill,Richard Burton,J.F.K.,Beethoven, Mozart,Elizabeth Taylor, Ozzy Osbourne,Betty Ford,Hugh Grant,John Phillips, MaCkenzie Phillips,Bret Michaels,Robert Downey Jr.,Melanie Griffith,Drew Barrymore,Nikki Sixx,Carl Jung,Charlie Parker,Chris Farley, John Belushi,George Jones,Keith Moon,John 'Bonzo'Bonham,Bon Scott;and Steve Clark....The list will go on forever. >>



you forgot Charlie Sheen, Ted Danson, Harrison Ford, trent Renzor, matthew perry, (the guy from friends). and dozens of others.

 

[bigd480]

<< He was a heroine addict, who chose the gutless way out, abandoning his wife, child, and whomever may have loved him >>

You answered your own question... how many of today's kids' &quot;role models&quot; do anything positive but make money?

Edit: I don't like alternative music at all but I think Kurt/Nirvana were great... very original for the time...

 

[Deeko]

<< Kurt Cobain left the world and MILLIONS of people felt the impact... when YOU leave this world how many MILLIONs of people will mourn for YOU?.. or even KNOW who the hell you are? >>


LOL I don't recall SuperSix stating that he should be a martyr. He just said that Cobain doesn't deserve it.

 

[AaronP]

I think they were talking about Kennedy or something, but I remember this black guy on tv said something about all the fuss, and basically what he said was &quot;Just another dead cracker.&quot; For some reason, I found this incredible funny, and really kinda puts it all into perspective. That's the way I feel about Cobain I suppose. Just another dead cracker. I'm white too, so its ok for me to say that! booya, I love double standards.

 

[Boogak]

Nirvana made the alternative/grunge revolution mainstream back in the early 90s. That music pretty much defined an entire generation for that decade. I still remember when I first heard of his suicide, I was pulling out of the parking lot of my high school after class and the KDGE dj said Kurt was dead.

 

[ManSnake]

Isn't he like the father of the alternative genre or something? Wasn't he also a drug king? He must be cool or something then...

 

[Electric Amish]

I&quot;m glad he's dead.

amish

 

[AaronP]

Amish, if I could give you a 10 right now I would! your post was simple and too the point. and it made me laugh.

 

[Soybomb]

<< Try to have a little more of an open mind... >>

I've got a very open mind, make a point of logic and I'll agree with you. I just don't what incredibly pain this man was in (he isn't a POW here) that justified him taking his own life. Ultimately I really don't care, I don't even particularly like the music, but I also don't understand how you can't say it was the sissy way out. He left life knowing what a burden his death would be on his family, specifically his child. Rather than working through his problem or seeing a doctor for his tummy ache he shoots up and shoots himself. To me, that seems like the easy way out, he did it so he didn't have to deal with anything. Thats called quitting in my book, and I think its the candy ass thing to do when you've got a child. Then again if daddy's a heroine addict, perhaps its not a huge loss.

 

[Red Dawn]

DJDeeko

<< LOL I don't recall SuperSix stating that he should be a martyr. He just said that Cobain doesn't deserve it. >>

Who are you to say he doesn't deserve it? You are not any type of expert regarding music or the music culture.