Kung fu practicality?

[rh71]

Originally posted by: Ronstang

Originally posted by: RIGorous1

Originally posted by: Ronstang
I have never and will never start a fight with anyone but if you threaten me I WILL ventilate your forehead with a .45 ACP round. True martial arts Masters also know that MA is designed to be defensive in nature, not offensive and would never strike the first blow. All these movies with MA/Kung FU etc. are nothing but a bunch of BS.....noone in the real world fights with this crap unless they are a bunch of kids trying to act cool. Policemen carry guns and shoot people like Jet Li in real life......they don't battle them to the end in MA like a fricken Lethal Weapon movie.

Someone sure likes to stroke their gun...

Not really. At least I am being realistic and honest. Sounds more to me like people are trying to stroke the MA ability. I don't even carry a gun except on rare occasions. I have never needed one and hope I never do. I find life is much easier if you don't put yourself in situations where you might need a gun and this works 99% of the time, the other 1% is what the CCL is for. I have a friend who can't go ANYWHERE without his weapon, I am the exact opposite but I would have no hesitation using it if the need ever arose.

I'm trying to understand here... you say you don't even carry except on RARE occasions. Depending on where you live, you can get mugged or robbed otherwise and what happens when you don't have your gun on you ? You have nothing. What's so bad about knowing some martial arts if the dude had only a knife in his hands ? I don't think people are saying MA is the end all of self-defense... I'd surely like to be able to kick someone's a$$ if the right situation ever arose... especially if I don't carry a gun everywhere I go. Do you know how often people get mugged with merely a knife in NYC ? Do you know how many only try to scare you with it and have no intentions of using it ? You don't have to go Jet Li on the guy... as long as you can disarm him, you've saved yourself from losing anything - which is the whole point. I think shooting someone in the head is a bit extreme... just because you can doesn't mean you have to.

 

[xirtam]

If you want to learn to fight, take kickboxing.

If you want to learn to live, take Kung Fu.

 

[Mingon]

If you want to learn to fight, take kickboxing.

I though wrestling was more efficient, combined with judo and you have one hard to beat fighter.

 

[Gyrene]

I love how everyone is preaching and praising different styles. I'm sure most of you either have no experience with the particular style you're praising, or have very limited knowledge and are going by what you've seen other people fight like.

First, take any style you want to, the only thing you're going to learn for the first few years is the basics. The basics are the same in every school. It's not until you get deeper into the art that you learn what separates that style from all the rest. I'm almost positive the majority of you are not deep into a single art listed here. You know how to throw kicks, wonderful. You know how to block punches, great! So does every other practitioner of the martial arts. Start debating the validity of an art once you have reached a deeper training in it. Form opinions based on your own experiences, and not on how other people fight.

That said, Gung Fu is a wonderful composition of styles for protecting yourself. Find one that suits your body type, i.e. Southern Boxers or Northern Kickers. I've been practicing Bamboo Forest Gung Fu for about 13 years now, and I wouldn't be afraid to defend myself against a fighter from any other style.

 

[amcdonald]

Originally posted by: Ronstang

Originally posted by: RIGorous1

Originally posted by: Ronstang
I have never and will never start a fight with anyone but if you threaten me I WILL ventilate your forehead with a .45 ACP round. True martial arts Masters also know that MA is designed to be defensive in nature, not offensive and would never strike the first blow. All these movies with MA/Kung FU etc. are nothing but a bunch of BS.....noone in the real world fights with this crap unless they are a bunch of kids trying to act cool. Policemen carry guns and shoot people like Jet Li in real life......they don't battle them to the end in MA like a fricken Lethal Weapon movie.

Someone sure likes to stroke their gun...

Not really. At least I am being realistic and honest. Sounds more to me like people are trying to stroke the MA ability. I don't even carry a gun except on rare occasions. I have never needed one and hope I never do. I find life is much easier if you don't put yourself in situations where you might need a gun and this works 99% of the time, the other 1% is what the CCL is for. I have a friend who can't go ANYWHERE without his weapon, I am the exact opposite but I would have no hesitation using it if the need ever arose.

Have fun when you are in jail for the rest of your life, retard. Just because you have a concealed weapon permit and someone attacks you, it doesn't give you any right to shoot them. No court in the world would let you off just because a guy moves like jackie chan. Even cops have to use NECESSARY force. They can't just shoot people who look like they can fight... they wrestle and mace them.
People with concealed weapon permits scare me... The only people I associate with that I know have guns on them are tattoo artists and cops.
Screw insecure hotheads who buy a gun so they can feel untouchable.

 

[Schadenfreude]

Originally posted by: AgentZap
The Kung Fu dojo around the corner from me uses Choy Li Fut

and how the hell did this turn into a gun conversation? Obviously if someone has a gun then they are the boss. If they are trying to rob me they have can have my money-who cares. I know techniques to disarm and shoot people with their own guns/knives but I would only due it if I was certain they were going to kill me because all risk being shot and grazed.

Good point on the judo thing. Stuff always ends up on the ground.

Ah, Choy Li Fut - the opposing style of our school . . . if the instructor is a good teacher, like I said, then this is a good style to take . . .. This next part won't really make sense to you, but it's hard and circular, as opposed to soft and linear (the style I'm practicing). You can't tell until you go to the school. Get your butt to the school!

 

[SackOfAllTrades]

Originally posted by: dtyn
I love how everyone is preaching and praising different styles. I'm sure most of you either have no experience with the particular style you're praising, or have very limited knowledge and are going by what you've seen other people fight like.

First, take any style you want to, the only thing you're going to learn for the first few years is the basics. The basics are the same in every school. It's not until you get deeper into the art that you learn what separates that style from all the rest. I'm almost positive the majority of you are not deep into a single art listed here. You know how to throw kicks, wonderful. You know how to block punches, great! So does every other practitioner of the martial arts. Start debating the validity of an art once you have reached a deeper training in it. Form opinions based on your own experiences, and not on how other people fight.

That said, Gung Fu is a wonderful composition of styles for protecting yourself. Find one that suits your body type, i.e. Southern Boxers or Northern Kickers. I've been practicing Bamboo Forest Gung Fu for about 13 years now, and I wouldn't be afraid to defend myself against a fighter from any other style.

"Can I get price check on Arrogance?"

 

[Schadenfreude]

Originally posted by: dtyn
I love how everyone is preaching and praising different styles. I'm sure most of you either have no experience with the particular style you're praising, or have very limited knowledge and are going by what you've seen other people fight like.

First, take any style you want to, the only thing you're going to learn for the first few years is the basics. The basics are the same in every school. It's not until you get deeper into the art that you learn what separates that style from all the rest. I'm almost positive the majority of you are not deep into a single art listed here. You know how to throw kicks, wonderful. You know how to block punches, great! So does every other practitioner of the martial arts. Start debating the validity of an art once you have reached a deeper training in it. Form opinions based on your own experiences, and not on how other people fight.

That said, Gung Fu is a wonderful composition of styles for protecting yourself. Find one that suits your body type, i.e. Southern Boxers or Northern Kickers. I've been practicing Bamboo Forest Gung Fu for about 13 years now, and I wouldn't be afraid to defend myself against a fighter from any other style.

You raise some very good points, but I wouldn't get that far - does a grappling style have the same beginnings as a striking style? Hell, my style's basic punches are fundamentally different from say, a Shotokan reverse punch that it'll profoundly affect the rest of training throughout the student' s career. Like you said, the basics are all that counts, but at the same time, I'd say there ARE differences in the basics - because everything builds off from the basics in a (hopefully) logical and rational manner. If all the basics are the same, then (using the same prerequisite that all the creators of styles are sane and rational) the training regimens, and where they go from there, can only be the same.

Escrimadors begin their training from sticks and only after then go on to empty hand sets. However, a lot of ther styles start with empty hands and use those principles to later apply in their weapons training (like Choy Li Fut, Wing Chun, Shaolin Kung Fu, for example) - there's differences in their approach, I'd argue.

But then again, I'm nitpicking again. 😉

 

[DurocShark]

<-- San Soo

 

[Hammer]

swedish arm-ripping-from-sockets is the only effective MA. it pwns the rest.

 

[Schadenfreude]

Originally posted by: Hammer
swedish arm-ripping-from-sockets is the only effective MA. it pwns the rest.

:beer:😀

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: Jehovah

Originally posted by: Hammer
swedish arm-ripping-from-sockets is the only effective MA. it pwns the rest.

:beer:😀

Still gives me a chuckle.

:beer:😀:beer:

- M4H

 

[ZaneNBK]

Originally posted by: Aquaman
Even against a knife my form tae kwon do friend said to either run or give up your money without a fight. He said there are to many veins & arteries in the arms and even if your a good martial artist it does not take an expert to cut you so bad you die 😛

Cheers,
Aquaman

Yup. If the other person has any form of weapon, and you don't, you run. Experienced martial artists will tell you just that. One miscalculation and an artery is severed or bone broken (given non-bladed weapons) and you're screwed and/or dead. My primary JKD instructor always carries a knife (and is trained in Kali) because it reminds him constantly that whoever he's dealing with could also be carrying a knife or something worse and helps him keep out of conflicts.

If you really want to learn to defend yourself you should learn a knife fighting style and carry a knife and/or learn to use Rattan sticks (as they emulate something you could easily find in the environment if you had to). Or just get good at running.

 

[amcdonald]

Originally posted by: ZaneNBK

Originally posted by: Aquaman
Even against a knife my form tae kwon do friend said to either run or give up your money without a fight. He said there are to many veins & arteries in the arms and even if your a good martial artist it does not take an expert to cut you so bad you die 😛

Cheers,
Aquaman

Yup. If the other person has any form of weapon, and you don't, you run. Experienced martial artists will tell you just that. One miscalculation and an artery is severed or bone broken (given non-bladed weapons) and you're screwed and/or dead. My primary JKD instructor always carries a knife (and is trained in Kali) because it reminds him constantly that whoever he's dealing with could also be carrying a knife or something worse and helps him keep out of conflicts.

If you really want to learn to defend yourself you should learn a knife fighting style and carry a knife and/or learn to use Rattan sticks (as they emulate something you could easily find in the environment if you had to). Or just get good at running.

After 9/11, I learned some basic unarmed self-defence against a knife-wielding attacker. For instance, put your shoes on your hands with the toe side pointed back along your forearm. this covers up your major forearm veins/arteries. You'd have to be a little crazy/stupid to fight a guy with a knife, but if a guy was hijacking my plane that would set me off.

 

[Yax]

I'm just an outa shape, fat computer nerd, but so far no one's messed with me yet.

 

[AgentZap]

If you really want to learn to defend yourself you should learn a knife fighting style and carry a knife and/or learn to use Rattan sticks (as they emulate something you could easily find in the environment if you had to). Or just get good at running.

After 9/11, I learned some basic unarmed self-defence against a knife-wielding attacker. For instance, put your shoes on your hands with the toe side pointed back along your forearm. this covers up your major forearm veins/arteries. You'd have to be a little crazy/stupid to fight a guy with a knife, but if a guy was hijacking my plane that would set me off.[/quote]


Hehe beat your attacker with a shoe 🙂

I dunno how you would manage tacticle control to wrestle the knife away.

What is the difference between Shaolin kung fu and Choy Li Fut? I saw a special on Discovery regarding martial arts and Shaolin Kung Fu was featured as well as a harder core form of the style of Goju I was taking. It was pretty cool.

 

[ZaneNBK]

Originally posted by: amcdonald
After 9/11, I learned some basic unarmed self-defence against a knife-wielding attacker. For instance, put your shoes on your hands with the toe side pointed back along your forearm. this covers up your major forearm veins/arteries. You'd have to be a little crazy/stupid to fight a guy with a knife, but if a guy was hijacking my plane that would set me off.

That helps if you have time to do that. In a street confrontation by the time you learn the other guy has a knife you don't exactly have time to take off your shoes and put them on your hands. You _might_ have time to do the old jacket-wrap or remove your belt to use as a weapon, but even then it's very risky.

 

[amcdonald]

Originally posted by: ZaneNBK
That helps if you have time to do that. In a street confrontation by the time you learn the other guy has a knife you don't exactly have time to take off your shoes and put them on your hands. You _might_ have time to do the old jacket-wrap or remove your belt to use as a weapon, but even then it's very risky.

The shoe trick is only for the hijacking situation, which is also probably the only situation I'd engage in a knife-fight without a knife.

Hehe beat your attacker with a shoe

I dunno how you would manage tacticle control to wrestle the knife away.

What is the difference between Shaolin kung fu and Choy Li Fut? I saw a special on Discovery regarding martial arts and Shaolin Kung Fu was featured as well as a harder core form of the style of Goju I was taking. It was pretty cool.

The point isn't tactile control, its keeping your hands/wrist from being cut up and then dying from blood loss. All your striking/blocking/trapping training goes out the window when your opponent is attacking your arms with a knife. Putting protection over your hands enables your to use them effectively. Keep in mind the scenario involved. A well-trained hijacker wielding a small blade.
Oh and if you don't think hitting someone with a shoe hurts, get a friend to punch your face with a shoe on his hand. I could put a flip-flop over my fist and knock someone out if its a good punch.

 

[OutHouse]

a guy in my massage class is a 6 degree blackbelt in the Sho Lin (dont know if that is the right spelling) style of Kung-Fu. he is a very small dude and I sure as hell would not would want to get in a fight with him.

 

[Schadenfreude]

Originally posted by: Citrix
a guy in my massage class is a 6 degree blackbelt in the Sho Lin (dont know if that is the right spelling) style of Kung-Fu. he is a very small dude and I sure as hell would not would want to get in a fight with him.

Hmm . . he's a 6th degree "black belt" in Shaolin (I'm guessing) Kung Fu . . .? I'm suspicious . . ..

 

[Aquaman]

Originally posted by: Jehovah

Originally posted by: Citrix
a guy in my massage class is a 6 degree blackbelt in the Sho Lin (dont know if that is the right spelling) style of Kung-Fu. he is a very small dude and I sure as hell would not would want to get in a fight with him.

Hmm . . he's a 6th degree "black belt" in Shaolin (I'm guessing) Kung Fu . . .? I'm suspicious . . ..

Some Kung Fu places institute a "belt" or "sash" system like other marshal arts. Go figure :Q

Cheers,
Aquaman

 

[Schadenfreude]

Originally posted by: Aquaman

Originally posted by: Jehovah

Originally posted by: Citrix
a guy in my massage class is a 6 degree blackbelt in the Sho Lin (dont know if that is the right spelling) style of Kung-Fu. he is a very small dude and I sure as hell would not would want to get in a fight with him.

Hmm . . he's a 6th degree "black belt" in Shaolin (I'm guessing) Kung Fu . . .? I'm suspicious . . ..

Some Kung Fu places institute a "belt" or "sash" system like other martial arts. Go figure :Q

Cheers,
Aquaman

I knew about sashes, but . . . "belts"? This implicates a karate-style gi as well . . ..

 

[Koing]

Originally posted by: Jehovah

Originally posted by: Aquaman

Originally posted by: Jehovah

Originally posted by: Citrix
a guy in my massage class is a 6 degree blackbelt in the Sho Lin (dont know if that is the right spelling) style of Kung-Fu. he is a very small dude and I sure as hell would not would want to get in a fight with him.

Hmm . . he's a 6th degree "black belt" in Shaolin (I'm guessing) Kung Fu . . .? I'm suspicious . . ..

Some Kung Fu places institute a "belt" or "sash" system like other martial arts. Go figure :Q

Cheers,
Aquaman

I knew about sashes, but . . . "belts"? This implicates a karate-style gi as well . . ..

Ditto.

No Shaolin place gives belts. They don't need belts to merit distinction. I have a friend that has no belts or sash's. He trains with the Shaolin guys in London. He trains 2x a day and does Gymnatics (how I met him) on Sundays. He runs to Gymnastics which is about 10 miles round trip with a weighted clothing. He has this vest that weighs about 40lbs and has extra stuff added on to him so he runs with 50lbs extra. Cycles to work and is amazingly fit and flexible. Can drop to full box splits and is a pretty dam good Gymnast also. Some very funky moves he can do. Can do 5 punch front summersaults in a row. Aerials, can also bounce on the trampoline holding a handstand. Very impressive guy. Also does SFX for adverts and movies for a company.

Koing

 

[TheeeChosenOne]

Kung Fu is pretty useless.

Like my old Kung Fu teacher used to say, there is no better defense than your mouth. You can generally TALK your way out of almost ANY situation. Even if the guy robs your wallet, let him have it. Is it worth getting stabbed or shot for it? NO. My master who's an amazing fighter was robbed. He rather let it go than take it to the next step. I agree with his decision.

Now if we were in feudal China where you had warlords raiding your village for goods and female conquests, then YES, martial arts learning is worthwhile. That is why villagers invented these different styles to protect themselves.

In our society, however, martial arts is more for entertainment (movies) or gymnastic exercise. I do think little kids should learn it for a year or so to give them confidence in themselves and to ward off the wankers at school. 😉

 

[Crimzon]

Originally posted by: Ronstang
I have never and will never start a fight with anyone but if you threaten me I WILL ventilate your forehead with a .45 ACP round. True martial arts Masters also know that MA is designed to be defensive in nature, not offensive and would never strike the first blow. All these movies with MA/Kung FU etc. are nothing but a bunch of BS.....noone in the real world fights with this crap unless they are a bunch of kids trying to act cool. Policemen carry guns and shoot people like Jet Li in real life......they don't battle them to the end in MA like a fricken Lethal Weapon movie.

Someone comes at you, and you automatically want to kill them? *shake head* Wouldn't shooting them in the leg be a little more rational?