Kobe stats vs entire teams

[DonIsHere]

As much as I hate Kobe, I have to give the guy credit.

Any player that scores 81 points in a single game must have been in a zone above and beyond whatever zone any player gets into.

Yes, scoring 81 points and having only 2 assists is grounds for being called a ballhog. But in this case, he was a good ballhog. His team was losing to the Raptors. He took it upon himself to take over in the 2nd half. That's leadership.

A bad ballhog is someone that shoots a lot and doesn't make a lot of baskets.

It's like the Blazers. If they won games and championships, then no one would complain about their off-court legal mishaps.

 

[LordSnailz]

damm, can someone explain the hate towards this guy?

 

[Baked]

Originally posted by: LordSnailz
damm, can someone explain the hate towards this guy?

jealousy towards black guy w/ lots of money and hot wife. /explanation

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: DonIsHere
As much as I hate Kobe, I have to give the guy credit.

Any player that scores 81 points in a single game must have been in a zone above and beyond whatever zone any player gets into.

Yes, scoring 81 points and having only 2 assists is grounds for being called a ballhog. But in this case, he was a good ballhog. His team was losing to the Raptors. He took it upon himself to take over in the 2nd half. That's leadership.

A bad ballhog is someone that shoots a lot and doesn't make a lot of baskets.

It's like the Blazers. If they won games and championships, then no one would complain about their off-court legal mishaps.

exactly, you don't call someone who is hitting 60% of his shots a ball hog. that's just plain STUPID.

the point of the game of basketball is to score baskets. if he is hitting 60% of his shots and his teammates are hitting 30% of their shots, there is NO point in passing.

 

[Patt]

I try and try to be a Toronto fan ... but I think this is the proverbial straw that breaks the camel's back. I can't do it anymore. I thought it was Vince Carter's pitiful attitude, but even turfing that bastard didn't help. Screw 'em. I suppose that the closest team, geographically anyway is Utah or Seattle, and I don't particularly like Seattle, so I'll toss my allegiance in with the Jazz. Andrei Kirilenko FTW!

 

[Vette73]

Kobe scores 81 points, lakers 3rd in their division (4.5games out of first place).

I guess 1 person still does NOT make a team.


Shaq FTW :evil:

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Kobe scores 81 points, lakers 3rd in their division (4.5games out of first place).

I guess 1 person still does NOT make a team.


Shaq FTW :evil:

how about this.

miami without shaq, lakers without kobe.

who wins?

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: Supa
Well said


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I stopped reading when he compared the NBA to the NFL and MLB, and then pulled out the race card. What a moron, I can't believe you guys actually read this rigamarole and believe it. :disgust:

If a baseball player hits a home run in his first three at-bats, does anyone blame him for swinging for the fences his next time up? Does anyone complain when a manager doesn't even think to take a tiring pitcher out of a no-hitter, even if it is the best move for the team to win?

When Peyton Manning is trying to set a single-season touchdown record and calls for pass plays on first-and-goal from the 1, does anyone care?

Of course not, you expect it. You demand it, even.

So why in basketball does it matter? Is it because the players are mostly black?...

 

[LikeLinus]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Kobe scores 81 points, lakers 3rd in their division (4.5games out of first place).

I guess 1 person still does NOT make a team.


Shaq FTW :evil:

how about this.

miami without shaq, lakers without kobe.

who wins?

He's saying they won their championships because of Shaq. Not which team is better without their superstars right now.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: LikeLinus

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Kobe scores 81 points, lakers 3rd in their division (4.5games out of first place).

I guess 1 person still does NOT make a team.


Shaq FTW :evil:

how about this.

miami without shaq, lakers without kobe.

who wins?

He's saying they won their championships because of Shaq. Not which team is better without their superstars right now.

fine, then how many has shaq won without kobe?

people make kobe out to be the bad guy but shaq was just as intractible as kobe and the fact is, Kobe was the future star for the lakers not shaq, he just couldn't deal with that fact. that's shaqs mistake.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: sisq0kidd

Originally posted by: Syringer

Originally posted by: Supa
Well said


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So why in basketball does it matter? Is it because the players are mostly black? Is it because they are prone to preening?

That guy's a moron.

Baseball and basketball are absolutely nothing alike.

Absolutely! Besides both being a sport, both having balls and some sort of instrument used to score, both having millionaire athletes, both being primetime entertainment in America, both having Jordan at some point, both requiring a uniform to play, both requiring a system of coaches and players, both endorsed by the biggest corporations around the world, both being considered an Olypmic sport, both serving as a passtime, both uniting the world for the purpose of competition... they are nothing alike.

Comparing a scenario of a guy shooting 46 times vs the rest of the team 42 to a guy in MLB going for a 4th HR in one game are about as similar as comparing the stats of Theo Ratliffe to Tim Duncan and saying they're about the same.

Any moron who actually thinks that a guy in MLB swinging for the fences in his 4th at bat is the same as an NBA guard taking >50% a team's total shots is missing brain cells. Other than that, I'll give you all the other similarities, albeit they had nothing to do with the previously mentioned article.

 

[LikeLinus]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: LikeLinus

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Kobe scores 81 points, lakers 3rd in their division (4.5games out of first place).

I guess 1 person still does NOT make a team.


Shaq FTW :evil:

how about this.

miami without shaq, lakers without kobe.

who wins?

He's saying they won their championships because of Shaq. Not which team is better without their superstars right now.

fine, then how many has shaq won without kobe?

people make kobe out to be the bad guy but shaq was just as intractible as kobe and the fact is, Kobe was the future star for the lakers not shaq, he just couldn't deal with that fact. that's shaqs mistake.

Lets be perfectly honest here. Kobe is a spoiled brat that has had everything given to him on a platter. It's quite obvious that he's a pain in the butt to deal with and teammates clash with him. There's a huge different between him and the actual "greats" in the game. They knew how to push their team and take control. Kobe just doesn't seem to have a leadership quality about him. The guy just lacks class. Shaq's a goofy guy and all, but he seems to have a better all around character than Kobe.

 

[maddogchen]

Losing As Kobe's Ego Rockets Skyward.

It made more sense last year.

What are Kobe's chances of going for 100 pts?

 

[Proletariat]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: Supa
Well said


---

I stopped reading when he compared the NBA to the NFL and MLB, and then pulled out the race card. What a moron, I can't believe you guys actually read this rigamarole and believe it. :disgust:

If a baseball player hits a home run in his first three at-bats, does anyone blame him for swinging for the fences his next time up? Does anyone complain when a manager doesn't even think to take a tiring pitcher out of a no-hitter, even if it is the best move for the team to win?

When Peyton Manning is trying to set a single-season touchdown record and calls for pass plays on first-and-goal from the 1, does anyone care?

Of course not, you expect it. You demand it, even.

So why in basketball does it matter? Is it because the players are mostly black?...

QFT

 

[Syrch]

I think id have to watch basketball to enjoy this more...still impressive

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: LikeLinus

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Kobe scores 81 points, lakers 3rd in their division (4.5games out of first place).

I guess 1 person still does NOT make a team.


Shaq FTW :evil:

how about this.

miami without shaq, lakers without kobe.

who wins?

He's saying they won their championships because of Shaq. Not which team is better without their superstars right now.

fine, then how many has shaq won without kobe?

people make kobe out to be the bad guy but shaq was just as intractible as kobe and the fact is, Kobe was the future star for the lakers not shaq, he just couldn't deal with that fact. that's shaqs mistake.

The difference between Shaq and Kobe is that Shaq is a winner because he looks to his team for help, Kobe doesn't. That's all that needs to be said. One man can only take his team so far before he gets swallowed by the wolves in the playoffs. Is Kobe MVP? That's laughable, because he is missing the "most valuable" trait of an MVP: make the team around you better (which is why Jordan was the greatest player of all time).

So Platinum, get off Kobe's jock already and admit the obvious: Kobe's a great talent by himself, and will achieve many scoring titles/records by himself. But by no means is he anywhere close to "MVP", if Wilt can't win it averaging 50 something/game and 25 boards, then Kobe sure as hell can't. Individual accolades are nice, but playing as a team (like the Pistons) is a beautiful thing. Kobe will never get it, even with incredible talent.

 

[maziwanka]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: DonIsHere
As much as I hate Kobe, I have to give the guy credit.

Any player that scores 81 points in a single game must have been in a zone above and beyond whatever zone any player gets into.

Yes, scoring 81 points and having only 2 assists is grounds for being called a ballhog. But in this case, he was a good ballhog. His team was losing to the Raptors. He took it upon himself to take over in the 2nd half. That's leadership.

A bad ballhog is someone that shoots a lot and doesn't make a lot of baskets.

It's like the Blazers. If they won games and championships, then no one would complain about their off-court legal mishaps.

exactly, you don't call someone who is hitting 60% of his shots a ball hog. that's just plain STUPID.

the point of the game of basketball is to score baskets. if he is hitting 60% of his shots and his teammates are hitting 30% of their shots, there is NO point in passing.

exactly.

and the posted article was great...

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: LikeLinus

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Kobe scores 81 points, lakers 3rd in their division (4.5games out of first place).

I guess 1 person still does NOT make a team.


Shaq FTW :evil:

how about this.

miami without shaq, lakers without kobe.

who wins?

He's saying they won their championships because of Shaq. Not which team is better without their superstars right now.

fine, then how many has shaq won without kobe?

people make kobe out to be the bad guy but shaq was just as intractible as kobe and the fact is, Kobe was the future star for the lakers not shaq, he just couldn't deal with that fact. that's shaqs mistake.

The difference between Shaq and Kobe is that Shaq is a winner because he looks to his team for help, Kobe doesn't. That's all that needs to be said. One man can only take his team so far before he gets swallowed by the wolves in the playoffs. Is Kobe MVP? That's laughable, because he is missing the "most valuable" trait of an MVP: make the team around you better (which is why Jordan was the greatest player of all time).

So Platinum, get off Kobe's jock already and admit the obvious: Kobe's a great talent by himself, and will achieve many scoring titles/records by himself. But by no means is he anywhere close to "MVP", if Wilt can't win it averaging 50 something/game and 25 boards, then Kobe sure as hell can't. Individual accolades are nice, but playing as a team (like the Pistons) is a beautiful thing. Kobe will never get it, even with incredible talent.

interesting how, iamme a DETROIT Fan can appreciate Kobe's effort. hmmmm.

you can talk team all you want, you cold put Magic Johnson or Larry Bird or even MJ on this lakers team and guess what, they would still not be winning a Championship.

what real evidence do you have that kobe can't win with a team other than that he hasn't won one without Shaq. but if that's your only evidence, guess what, Shaq hasn't won one without Kobe either. :roll:

 

[iamme]

Shaq's washed up, old, out of shape, and i think this is his last season for a real shot at a title. unless he becomes a Flexo Mourning and rides the coattails of a title winner.

Kobe's young, in his prime, and is driven beyond belief. i honestly think Kobe has more of a chance of winning a title in his remaining years than Shaq.

i still can't believe the backlash Kobe's gotten because of his 81 points. the pro/anti-Kobe debate is EVERYWHERE. my cousin in law school says the student forum is buzzing with it, lol.

 

[LikeLinus]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: LikeLinus

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Kobe scores 81 points, lakers 3rd in their division (4.5games out of first place).

I guess 1 person still does NOT make a team.


Shaq FTW :evil:

how about this.

miami without shaq, lakers without kobe.

who wins?

He's saying they won their championships because of Shaq. Not which team is better without their superstars right now.

fine, then how many has shaq won without kobe?

people make kobe out to be the bad guy but shaq was just as intractible as kobe and the fact is, Kobe was the future star for the lakers not shaq, he just couldn't deal with that fact. that's shaqs mistake.

The difference between Shaq and Kobe is that Shaq is a winner because he looks to his team for help, Kobe doesn't. That's all that needs to be said. One man can only take his team so far before he gets swallowed by the wolves in the playoffs. Is Kobe MVP? That's laughable, because he is missing the "most valuable" trait of an MVP: make the team around you better (which is why Jordan was the greatest player of all time).

So Platinum, get off Kobe's jock already and admit the obvious: Kobe's a great talent by himself, and will achieve many scoring titles/records by himself. But by no means is he anywhere close to "MVP", if Wilt can't win it averaging 50 something/game and 25 boards, then Kobe sure as hell can't. Individual accolades are nice, but playing as a team (like the Pistons) is a beautiful thing. Kobe will never get it, even with incredible talent.

interesting how, iamme a DETROIT Fan can appreciate Kobe's effort. hmmmm.

you can talk team all you want, you cold put Magic Johnson or Larry Bird or even MJ on this lakers team and guess what, they would still not be winning a Championship.

what real evidence do you have that kobe can't win with a team other than that he hasn't won one without Shaq. but if that's your only evidence, guess what, Shaq hasn't won one without Kobe either. :roll:

Guess what? Kobe had a chance to leave and go to any team he wants. He picked his path and now he'll have to live with it.

I think Magic, Larry or MJ could have made the lakers a better team. As stated, they were LEADERS...something Kobe is NOT.

How far has Kobe taken his Lakers into the playoffs? You keep throwing out the whole Title thing...there's more to basketball than just a title.

 

[LordSnailz]

I don't understand all this crap about kobe "not getting it" and how it's all about individual accolades ... the team was down by double digits, what do you want him to do, keep passing the the ball and be team player yet lose the game? Hell if my teammates are shooting like crap and I'm shooting at 60%, why wouldn't I shoot more and try to win the game?

It's also stupid to say it's kobe's fault that the lakers are not doing well, put any star player, lebron, shaq, duncan, AI, or KG, in his place and tell me if the team will better by many folds? Bottom line is the lakers won't do well unless the other players step up, not if kobe passes more.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: LikeLinus

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Kobe scores 81 points, lakers 3rd in their division (4.5games out of first place).

I guess 1 person still does NOT make a team.


Shaq FTW :evil:

how about this.

miami without shaq, lakers without kobe.

who wins?

He's saying they won their championships because of Shaq. Not which team is better without their superstars right now.

fine, then how many has shaq won without kobe?

people make kobe out to be the bad guy but shaq was just as intractible as kobe and the fact is, Kobe was the future star for the lakers not shaq, he just couldn't deal with that fact. that's shaqs mistake.

The difference between Shaq and Kobe is that Shaq is a winner because he looks to his team for help, Kobe doesn't. That's all that needs to be said. One man can only take his team so far before he gets swallowed by the wolves in the playoffs. Is Kobe MVP? That's laughable, because he is missing the "most valuable" trait of an MVP: make the team around you better (which is why Jordan was the greatest player of all time).

So Platinum, get off Kobe's jock already and admit the obvious: Kobe's a great talent by himself, and will achieve many scoring titles/records by himself. But by no means is he anywhere close to "MVP", if Wilt can't win it averaging 50 something/game and 25 boards, then Kobe sure as hell can't. Individual accolades are nice, but playing as a team (like the Pistons) is a beautiful thing. Kobe will never get it, even with incredible talent.

interesting how, iamme a DETROIT Fan can appreciate Kobe's effort. hmmmm.

you can talk team all you want, you cold put Magic Johnson or Larry Bird or even MJ on this lakers team and guess what, they would still not be winning a Championship.

what real evidence do you have that kobe can't win with a team other than that he hasn't won one without Shaq. but if that's your only evidence, guess what, Shaq hasn't won one without Kobe either. :roll:

I can appreciate great shooting and scoring, however, I appreciate team basketball more. I just wrote that individual scoring titles/accolades are nice, read the above.

This is in direct reference to your Kobe/Shaq comparisons.

Shaq hasn't taken 46 shots in a game, nor would Miami ever let him. Shaq is more of a team player than Kobe, this is fact my friend, look at their past quotes.

And no kidding even MJ couldn't win a championship with that team, but they would have a better record with MJ vs Kobe. Why? Simply because he demands that you get better as his teammate, Kobe could give two shts about what they do or how they play.

 

[dainthomas]

Originally posted by: Cooler

Originally posted by: Sheepathon

Originally posted by: Cooler
thats just crazy now if they just clone him and put the clones on a team.....

And end up having five ballhogs on the same team. That would work well.

just ad 4 exta balls :roll:

Just like Chuck Norris!

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: LordSnailz
I don't understand all this crap about kobe "not getting it" and how it's all about individual accolades ... the team was down by double digits, what do you want him to do, keep passing the the ball and be team player yet lose the game? Hell if my teammates are shooting like crap and I'm shooting at 60%, why wouldn't I shoot more and try to win the game?

It's also stupid to say it's kobe's fault that the lakers are not doing well, put any star player, lebron, shaq, duncan, AI, or KG, in his place and tell me if the team will better by many folds? Bottom line is the lakers won't do well unless the other players step up, not if kobe passes more.

I'm not saying Kobe shouldn't have torched them in that game b/c he was hot, and their defense was sucking. But what about the games where he wasn't hot, but never passed? The first fallacy is not having confidence in your teammates, that's why MJ is the greatest and Kobe will never reach that level unless he changes his mentality. Hell, if Iverson can learn to pass, so can Kobe.

 

[LikeLinus]

Originally posted by: LordSnailz
I don't understand all this crap about kobe "not getting it" and how it's all about individual accolades ... the team was down by double digits, what do you want him to do, keep passing the the ball and be team player yet lose the game? Hell if my teammates are shooting like crap and I'm shooting at 60%, why wouldn't I shoot more and try to win the game?

It's also stupid to say it's kobe's fault that the lakers are not doing well, put any star player, lebron, shaq, duncan, AI, or KG, in his place and tell me if the team will better by many folds? Bottom line is the lakers won't do well unless the other players step up, not if kobe passes more.

Do you need a shovel to eat those words?

"It was still deemed a successful season as the Cavaliers finished with a 35-47 record. As dismal as that record sounds, it was a significant improvement from the team's previous 17-67 record in the season before Lebron's arrival. "

The Cavs missed the playoffs by a few games. They were in it until the last week or so.