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Kobe Bryant just won the NBA ALL-STAR MVP
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calbear2000
Golden Member
<< Anyone remember when PHilly fans cheered when Michael Irvin layed motionless on the turf when they play the Cowboys? >>
Was that on MNF? I was trying to remember which city was cheering the injury of another player... I know it was on Monday Night several years ago.
alrite... being a philly fan... i'll try to defend them a bit here.
i think there are enough people/athlete that will tell you
that phillly fans are very different from all the other.
they are true hard core... with attitude.
perhaps too much attitude.
(ask lindros, ask cunningham... they'll tell you how things were)
i'll say...what they did at the All stars last night was a bit too much.
but i can totally understand how they could get carried over like that.
last year, sixers have finally turned the corner ...
and gave the fans what they've been hungry for.
they got to the finals... and still... no one gave sixers any respect.
they just saw iverson... one man, selfish team.
when they won the game 1... things settled a bit.
but when lakers started to win a few games...
that's when kobe started saying a few things that costed him the last night's booing.
you all have to admit, during the series...
kobe was as cocky as he could be.
when the series ended with lakers as the champs...
the dreams were broken.
i'm not saying that these things should bring them to boo kobe during the all stars game.
but i can definately understand where they are coming from.
as far as kobe is concerned...
i'll echo the words of Don Nelson.
Don't take it personal, they wish they had you. Forget about it."
iverson and kobe came out during the same year...
and i think sixers did the right thing by getting iverson over kobe.
but it would be nice to have both of them play for sixers.
anyhow...
for other sixers fans out there...
boo kobe during the season...
especially during the playoffs.
but i say... give him a break during all stars weekend.
he's a human after all.
i think there are enough people/athlete that will tell you
that phillly fans are very different from all the other.
they are true hard core... with attitude.
perhaps too much attitude.
(ask lindros, ask cunningham... they'll tell you how things were)
i'll say...what they did at the All stars last night was a bit too much.
but i can totally understand how they could get carried over like that.
last year, sixers have finally turned the corner ...
and gave the fans what they've been hungry for.
they got to the finals... and still... no one gave sixers any respect.
they just saw iverson... one man, selfish team.
when they won the game 1... things settled a bit.
but when lakers started to win a few games...
that's when kobe started saying a few things that costed him the last night's booing.
you all have to admit, during the series...
kobe was as cocky as he could be.
when the series ended with lakers as the champs...
the dreams were broken.
i'm not saying that these things should bring them to boo kobe during the all stars game.
but i can definately understand where they are coming from.
as far as kobe is concerned...
i'll echo the words of Don Nelson.
Don't take it personal, they wish they had you. Forget about it."
iverson and kobe came out during the same year...
and i think sixers did the right thing by getting iverson over kobe.
but it would be nice to have both of them play for sixers.
anyhow...
for other sixers fans out there...
boo kobe during the season...
especially during the playoffs.
but i say... give him a break during all stars weekend.
he's a human after all.
Electric Amish
Elite Member
<< god that was such a boring game.. what a waste of time >>
Oh, and what can you say about fans that boo Mike Schmidt??
amish
BlazingSaddles
Senior member
last year philly fans booed destiny's child when they performed at halftime for a finals game too
The players are supposed to say bad stuf during the playoffs, I dont remember who said it but it was something like "I hate them. I hate them as much as you can hate, and if you can hate more than that, that is how much I hate them." That was someone saying that about the bulls, during the jordan years. Jordan and that guy are still friends. Who cares about Philly anyway, they suck.
FYI, Kobe isn't all that. You do realize he almost broke the record for most shots in an all-start game (by 2 shots) but was still 12 points from breaking the All-Star game record for points. The boy was being a huge ball hog and throwing up illadvised shots left and right (and 3 pointers which he's not good at).
The only reason he got the MVP is cause the West one and no one else played that great on the west (KG/Dunca and Payton played decent).
The real MVP seemed to be T. McGrady. In 23 minutes he had 24 points, 5 rebounds, 3 steals, 4 assist and shot 9 for 15...well over 50%
Also "Kobe" is NOT the 2-time defending champ. The LAKERS are. Plus the Lakers would win without Kobe. Look at it this way, MJ never had a dominate Center in Chicago and won 6 championships. Do you really believe Kobe could win 6 championships without Shaq? Shaq is the core of the team and their best player. Kobe isn't.
http://espn.go.com/nba/nbarim0323/
"The Lakers have played five games without Kobe, and eight games without Shaquille O'Neal. In the Kobe-less games, the Lakers are 4-1, scoring a tidy 105.8 points and shooting .497 from the field. Not too shabby, eh?
In the eight games without Shaq, the team is 5-3, and scores nearly 15 points a game less (91) and shoots a lame .411 from the field. Pretty clear from this which guy is more important, isn't it? Fact is that without Shaq, the Lakers have no inside presence, and the double teams go from the big guy to Kobe, who might score his points, but needs more shots to get them. The team scores much less and allows more without the shotblocker."
http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-020702lakers.story?coll=la-headlines-sports
"The Lakers played for the ninth time in 46 games without O'Neal. They are 5-4 without him."
The truth is in the pudding.
The only reason he got the MVP is cause the West one and no one else played that great on the west (KG/Dunca and Payton played decent).
The real MVP seemed to be T. McGrady. In 23 minutes he had 24 points, 5 rebounds, 3 steals, 4 assist and shot 9 for 15...well over 50%
Also "Kobe" is NOT the 2-time defending champ. The LAKERS are. Plus the Lakers would win without Kobe. Look at it this way, MJ never had a dominate Center in Chicago and won 6 championships. Do you really believe Kobe could win 6 championships without Shaq? Shaq is the core of the team and their best player. Kobe isn't.
http://espn.go.com/nba/nbarim0323/
"The Lakers have played five games without Kobe, and eight games without Shaquille O'Neal. In the Kobe-less games, the Lakers are 4-1, scoring a tidy 105.8 points and shooting .497 from the field. Not too shabby, eh?
In the eight games without Shaq, the team is 5-3, and scores nearly 15 points a game less (91) and shoots a lame .411 from the field. Pretty clear from this which guy is more important, isn't it? Fact is that without Shaq, the Lakers have no inside presence, and the double teams go from the big guy to Kobe, who might score his points, but needs more shots to get them. The team scores much less and allows more without the shotblocker."
http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-020702lakers.story?coll=la-headlines-sports
"The Lakers played for the ninth time in 46 games without O'Neal. They are 5-4 without him."
The truth is in the pudding.
i'm from philly, and i wasn't at the all star game. but if i was there, i would have booed too. kobe "i think i own the nba" bryant is a cocky little piece of scum, and his little whining act didn't convince me at all. you're a professional athlete and you get "upset" and "hurt" when fans boo you? give me a break.
if he wanted philadelphia to accept him, he wouldn't have made it clear to everyone that he wouldn't associate himself with philly at all, calling himself an "LA guy."
oh and all you people who are talking about how "classless" philly fans are, you fell for kobe's little act hook, line and sinker. remember who his coach is? phil jackson, mr. mind games. he knew he could get back at the fans by crying and acting like a wuss.
kobe got what he deserved. and he will get it every time he comes back here.
santa claus too.
if he wanted philadelphia to accept him, he wouldn't have made it clear to everyone that he wouldn't associate himself with philly at all, calling himself an "LA guy."
oh and all you people who are talking about how "classless" philly fans are, you fell for kobe's little act hook, line and sinker. remember who his coach is? phil jackson, mr. mind games. he knew he could get back at the fans by crying and acting like a wuss.
kobe got what he deserved. and he will get it every time he comes back here.
santa claus too.
i dont think its fair to say the lakers can do w/o kobe because shaq is the main man. and again it's not fair to say lakers can do w/o shaq because kobe is the main man. the lakers need BOTH. comparing games when shaq is injured to when kobe is injured is pretty useless unless you look at the stats of the team as a whole. most of the time when shaq is injured, kobe will dish out the points but they will still lose because he simply cannot do it ALL by himself. regardless if shaq or kobe is injured, when the supporting cast plays well, then they win. and before you start complaining that without kobe or shaq, lakers would be nothing, look at philly. without iverson, they would be nothing. look at new jersey. without jason kidd, they would be nothing. etc etc.
<<i'm from philly, and i wasn't at the all star game. but if i was there, i would have booed too. kobe "i think i own the nba" bryant is a cocky little piece of scum, and his little whining act didn't convince me at all. you're a professional athlete and you get "upset" and "hurt" when fans boo you? give me a break.
if he wanted philadelphia to accept him, he wouldn't have made it clear to everyone that he wouldn't associate himself with philly at all, calling himself an "LA guy."
oh and all you people who are talking about how "classless" philly fans are, you fell for kobe's little act hook, line and sinker. remember who his coach is? phil jackson, mr. mind games. he knew he could get back at the fans by crying and acting like a wuss.
kobe got what he deserved. and he will get it every time he comes back here.
santa claus too. >>
wow sounds like someone knows kobe better than kobe knows himself 😉
if he wanted philadelphia to accept him, he wouldn't have made it clear to everyone that he wouldn't associate himself with philly at all, calling himself an "LA guy."
oh and all you people who are talking about how "classless" philly fans are, you fell for kobe's little act hook, line and sinker. remember who his coach is? phil jackson, mr. mind games. he knew he could get back at the fans by crying and acting like a wuss.
kobe got what he deserved. and he will get it every time he comes back here.
santa claus too. >>
wow sounds like someone knows kobe better than kobe knows himself 😉
LikeLinus01:
Pardon me if I say, huh? Are you somehow trying to prove that Kobe isn't a great player by referencing the Lakers record in games without Shaq? It's not really too big a surprise the Lakers record without Shaq isn't great, seeing as though the entire team is built to compliment him. The team is built around a half court game, with massive inside presence. Even the defense is designed to funnel offensive players towards Shaq. The entire dynamic of the team changes with Shaq out of the lineup, so it's not a big surprise they are able to do better in games with just him and no Kobe, than the other way around. That in no way shows Kobe is not a great player. Read what coaches and players around the league say about Kobe, they know he is the real deal.
And get this one thing clear, the Lakers would not be the 2 time defending champions without Kobe Bryant or Shaq. They take turns. Look at the Sacramento series in last years PO's and the San Antonio series in last year's PO's. In the Sac series, Shaq was simply dominating. He destroyed Sac, and was the reason they won the series. In the San Antonio series, Kobe was dominating, and he was the main reason they blasted the Spurs. Also, Kobe's willingness to become a playmaker, distribute the ball, and create for his teammates was the reason the Lakers were able to turn what was becoming a very disappointing season, into the most dominating playoff run in NBA history.
X951 said:
<< i'm from philly, and i wasn't at the all star game. but if i was there, i would have booed too. kobe "i think i own the nba" bryant is a cocky little piece of scum, and his little whining act didn't convince me at all. you're a professional athlete and you get "upset" and "hurt" when fans boo you? give me a break. >>
Funny, if you take the name Kobe Bryant out of that, I swear you are talking about Allen "where's my respect?" Iverson
Pardon me if I say, huh? Are you somehow trying to prove that Kobe isn't a great player by referencing the Lakers record in games without Shaq? It's not really too big a surprise the Lakers record without Shaq isn't great, seeing as though the entire team is built to compliment him. The team is built around a half court game, with massive inside presence. Even the defense is designed to funnel offensive players towards Shaq. The entire dynamic of the team changes with Shaq out of the lineup, so it's not a big surprise they are able to do better in games with just him and no Kobe, than the other way around. That in no way shows Kobe is not a great player. Read what coaches and players around the league say about Kobe, they know he is the real deal.
And get this one thing clear, the Lakers would not be the 2 time defending champions without Kobe Bryant or Shaq. They take turns. Look at the Sacramento series in last years PO's and the San Antonio series in last year's PO's. In the Sac series, Shaq was simply dominating. He destroyed Sac, and was the reason they won the series. In the San Antonio series, Kobe was dominating, and he was the main reason they blasted the Spurs. Also, Kobe's willingness to become a playmaker, distribute the ball, and create for his teammates was the reason the Lakers were able to turn what was becoming a very disappointing season, into the most dominating playoff run in NBA history.
X951 said:
<< i'm from philly, and i wasn't at the all star game. but if i was there, i would have booed too. kobe "i think i own the nba" bryant is a cocky little piece of scum, and his little whining act didn't convince me at all. you're a professional athlete and you get "upset" and "hurt" when fans boo you? give me a break. >>
Funny, if you take the name Kobe Bryant out of that, I swear you are talking about Allen "where's my respect?" Iverson
<< FYI, Kobe isn't all that. You do realize he almost broke the record for most shots in an all-start game (by 2 shots) but was still 12 points from breaking the All-Star game record for points. The boy was being a huge ball hog and throwing up illadvised shots left and right (and 3 pointers which he's not good at).
The only reason he got the MVP is cause the West one and no one else played that great on the west (KG/Dunca and Payton played decent).
The real MVP seemed to be T. McGrady. In 23 minutes he had 24 points, 5 rebounds, 3 steals, 4 assist and shot 9 for 15...well over 50%
Also "Kobe" is NOT the 2-time defending champ. The LAKERS are. Plus the Lakers would win without Kobe. Look at it this way, MJ never had a dominate Center in Chicago and won 6 championships. Do you really believe Kobe could win 6 championships without Shaq? Shaq is the core of the team and their best player. Kobe isn't.
http://espn.go.com/nba/nbarim0323/
"The Lakers have played five games without Kobe, and eight games without Shaquille O'Neal. In the Kobe-less games, the Lakers are 4-1, scoring a tidy 105.8 points and shooting .497 from the field. Not too shabby, eh?
In the eight games without Shaq, the team is 5-3, and scores nearly 15 points a game less (91) and shoots a lame .411 from the field. Pretty clear from this which guy is more important, isn't it? Fact is that without Shaq, the Lakers have no inside presence, and the double teams go from the big guy to Kobe, who might score his points, but needs more shots to get them. The team scores much less and allows more without the shotblocker."
http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-020702lakers.story?coll=la-headlines-sports
"The Lakers played for the ninth time in 46 games without O'Neal. They are 5-4 without him."
The truth is in the pudding. >>
LOL @ LikeLinus. You know as little about basketball as you do about computer hardware.
Without Kobe Bryant, the Lakers would have a very hard time winning a championship. Without Shaq, the Lakers would have a very hard time winning the championship. The fact that you can site a handful of games in which Kobe's presence was less significant than Shaq's presence DOES NOT conclusively prove anything.
In fact, here's an example. When Shaq was playing for Orlando back in the day, he never won a championship. Orlando's squad back then (not including Shaq) would give the Lakers current squad (minus Shaq and Kobe) a run for their money. Since Shaq never won a championship until Kobe came along, can you be that naive to think Kobe doesn't make a difference?
And to all those who say Kobe is a ball hog, wasn't/isn't Jordan called that fairly often?
Boy, the ignorance outside of the hardware and software forums is even worse in ATOT.
kobe "i think i own the nba" bryant is a cocky little piece of scum, and his little whining act didn't convince me at all.
ROTFLMAO @ X951. Puhlease. Even Derek Fisher was booed (yesterday at the slam dunk contest). Philly fans can stick it up their rear. It's too bad the Lakers will dominate for the next 4-5 years (unless Shaq can handle another 8-9 years at good form). And it's too bad Philly sucks like old garbage this year. 😀
Hoeboy - actually you can tell the difference, and not based on the teams the Lakers played. The lakers in games w/o kobe, but with Shaq, shot a much higher percentage and scored more points over the span of those games. Without shaq and w/ kobe, their fieldgoal percentage was down and so were the points. That pretty much sums it up. There were enough games to be able to make a good judgement that overall they are a better team without kobe than they are without shaq.
i'm not saying kobe isnt a great player, he is. My point is that Kobe isn't what keeps the lakers winning.
fyi, phili fans are bastards...this is known through every sport in ever league. just a fact of life.
i'm not saying kobe isnt a great player, he is. My point is that Kobe isn't what keeps the lakers winning.
fyi, phili fans are bastards...this is known through every sport in ever league. just a fact of life.
iamme
Lifer
Bottom line: you're only remembered if you win championships. Kobe's going to rack up quite a few, IMHO. He's only 23. He's on a faster pace than MJ was 😉 Will he be as good as or better than MJ? Who knows.....maybe if they traded Shaq, it'll be a more fair comparison.
Kobe'll get some pep talks from a few NBA elites and he'll feel better in no time. Don't feel bad for him.
Although I really think he was about to cry while being interviewed 😉
Kobe'll get some pep talks from a few NBA elites and he'll feel better in no time. Don't feel bad for him.
Although I really think he was about to cry while being interviewed 😉
agodspeed, you don't know anything about me. Quit making generalize statements about people's intelligence about certain subjects. I played basketball in highschool and i still play it to this day. I don't know where you get off turning this into a personal argument, but it really shows alot about yourself and your maturity level. We'll leave it at that.
Anyone with a ounce of BB knowledge knows that Orlando made it to the NBA finals in Shaq's first or second season. What does that tell you? With ANY half decent team around Shaq they can make the championship. Now that Shaq has matured (both in weight and knowledge of the game 🙂 ) He dominates in the lowpost and all he needs is 5 decent players around him. 2 outside shooters is enough to draw attention away from him to take away the immediate double team. This allows him to free up time. He doesn't NEED Kobe. People like Rick Fox, Derek Fisher...these types of players and put up enough shots to give him some room.
I never ONCE said Kobe doesn't make a difference? Apparently you lack the intelligence to see that? All i said was that Shaq could win a championship with that team w/o Kobe, a HELL of a lot easier than Kobe w/o shaq. Get with it boy.
Shaq went to the finals with Orlando...and he did it with the Lakers. The only reason Orlando didn't win the Championship is because of......
M J
Anyone with a ounce of BB knowledge knows that Orlando made it to the NBA finals in Shaq's first or second season. What does that tell you? With ANY half decent team around Shaq they can make the championship. Now that Shaq has matured (both in weight and knowledge of the game 🙂 ) He dominates in the lowpost and all he needs is 5 decent players around him. 2 outside shooters is enough to draw attention away from him to take away the immediate double team. This allows him to free up time. He doesn't NEED Kobe. People like Rick Fox, Derek Fisher...these types of players and put up enough shots to give him some room.
I never ONCE said Kobe doesn't make a difference? Apparently you lack the intelligence to see that? All i said was that Shaq could win a championship with that team w/o Kobe, a HELL of a lot easier than Kobe w/o shaq. Get with it boy.
Shaq went to the finals with Orlando...and he did it with the Lakers. The only reason Orlando didn't win the Championship is because of......
M J
iamme
Lifer
<< agodspeed, you don't know anything about me. Quit making generalize statements about people's intelligence about certain subjects. I played basketball in highschool and i still play it to this day. I don't know where you get off turning this into a personal argument, but it really shows alot about yourself and your maturity level. We'll leave it at that.
Anyone with a ounce of BB knowledge knows that Orlando made it to the NBA finals in Shaq's first or second season. What does that tell you? With ANY half decent team around Shaq they can make the championship. Now that Shaq has matured (both in weight and knowledge of the game 🙂 ) He dominates in the lowpost and all he needs is 5 decent players around him. 2 outside shooters is enough to draw attention away from him to take away the immediate double team. This allows him to free up time. He doesn't NEED Kobe. People like Rick Fox, Derek Fisher...these types of players and put up enough shots to give him some room.
I never ONCE said Kobe doesn't make a difference? Apparently you lack the intelligence to see that? All i said was that Shaq could win a championship with that team w/o Kobe, a HELL of a lot easier than Kobe w/o shaq. Get with it boy.
Shaq went to the finals with Orlando...and he did it with the Lakers. The only reason Orlando didn't win the Championship is because of......
M J >>
While I agree with all your statements, don't forget Shaq had Penny (when he was an All Star) 😉 So, Shaq was never really by himself w/ 4 so-so players......But, if I were to make a team to win a championship, Shaq would be my #1 pick easily. NO one dominates their position like he does. If he actually had a shooting touch (like Kareem's sky hook or Olajuwon's overall shooting), I think he could've been the greatest of all time (better than MJ)....as a fan and a player, it's painful to watch him chuck up those line drive baby hooks (and those God awful free throws). 🙁
Shadowedge
Senior member
A couple points in defense of Philadelphia:
The first is that the vast majority of people at the game were NOT Philadelphians. In the last couple weeks there were several news stories about the low ticket distribution for Sixers fans (I think it was only like 11%/2000 tickets). This was reiterated on a news telecast last night as well.
Second, Kobe Bryant is NOT a Philadelphian. He spent most of his childhood in Italy and played High School ball at Lower Merion, a suburb of Philadelphia. A few years back, Bryant himself, said he doesn't associate himself with the city. Aaron McKie, Rasheed Wallace, others are Philly boys, not Kobe.
The first is that the vast majority of people at the game were NOT Philadelphians. In the last couple weeks there were several news stories about the low ticket distribution for Sixers fans (I think it was only like 11%/2000 tickets). This was reiterated on a news telecast last night as well.
Second, Kobe Bryant is NOT a Philadelphian. He spent most of his childhood in Italy and played High School ball at Lower Merion, a suburb of Philadelphia. A few years back, Bryant himself, said he doesn't associate himself with the city. Aaron McKie, Rasheed Wallace, others are Philly boys, not Kobe.
<< ROTFLMAO @ X951. Puhlease. Even Derek Fisher was booed (yesterday at the slam dunk contest). Philly fans can stick it up their rear. >>
Derek Fisher is almost as bad as Kobe in the ego department.
<< It's too bad the Lakers will dominate for the next 4-5 years (unless Shaq can handle another 8-9 years at good form). >>
I doubt it. But noone can tell the future so why try...
<< And it's too bad Philly sucks like old garbage this year. 😀 >>
Oh, so having a winning record means you are "sucking like garbage?" That's news to me.
You couldn't refute anything I said so you just pulled a bunch of crap out of your ass. That's sad.
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