Klobuchar now out.

[fskimospy]

Any more words you want to put in to my mouth?

TBH, I'm not sure at this point if this will actually hurt Sanders. I know for sure that party establishment thinks it will. Warren supporters are the most credulous people on earth, so it's not surprising that they can't reasonably discuss fairly mundane matters of insider politics without shrieking about conspiracy theories.

You're the one agreeing 'the fix is in', not me.

Definition of THE FIX IS IN

—used to say that the outcome of something, such as a game or contest, is being controlled or affected in a dishonest way… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

Trust me I would love it so much if you guys could drop the conspiracy theories. There is nothing in the context of the Democratic primary I would like more.

 

[Maxima1]

So how exactly is it being 'fixed'?

Wait, so politicians acting strategically to gain their preferred outcome by amassing the most votes and delegates is now some sort of 'fixing' of the election? Are you guys insane? Doing that is 100% legitimate. By your logic in order for the campaign to not be 'fixed' candidates who don't think they can win would need to stay in the race in order to split the vote so that someone they don't prefer would win. Also, why is Mayor Pete and Amy K getting out of the race fixing it while them staying in the race is not?

You answered your own question. "so politicians". Btw, I love how Democratic establishment wants "diverse" states to go first when in reality they just love Southern blacks for being chow line voters. Do you really believe they would say that if Southern blacks were progressive voters, haha? They LOVE that Clyburn effectively could have decided this primary singlehandedly. They LOVE that Bloomberg is buying up a bunch of delegates to hand it to Biden in the case Biden only gets a plurality or Bernie only gets a plurality.

Why do you think Democratic pols like Joe Biden have advocated for entitlement cuts and have not been aggressive on raising taxes of the highest earners despite being popular positions? It's not like Democratic pols are immune to self-interest while Republicans aren't.

How five members of Joe Biden’s family got rich through his connections

Political figures have long used their families to route power and benefits for their own self-enrichment. In my new book, “Profiles in Corruption: Abuse of Power by America’s Progressive Elite,” o…

nypost.com

 

[hal2kilo]

At least I won't stay home if Bernie turns out to be the Democratic nominee for president, and will gladly vote for him. Wonder if others can do that if Biden becomes the nominee.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Good, the fewer there are, they easier it will be to galvanize around 1 candidate for the actual presidential run.

But listening to the Bros will be so irritating

 

[ultimatebob]

It looks like Operation "Get out of Biden's Way!" is in full swing over at DNC headquarters.

Poor Bernie Sanders... he might have thought that he actually stood a shot of winning this year.

 

[JEDIYoda]

I don`t see what ground breaking support Klobuchar or mayor Pete had to offer Biden or Sanders......
Would you if you were Sanders or Bernie want Klobuchar`s support?????
I think Mayor Pete has infinitely more to offer in terms of support than Klobuchar!! Why? Because from the start it was obvious that Klobuchar was living in another reality thinking ahe actually had a chance.....

 

[JEDIYoda]

she can be given the nomination as a "compromise" candidate.

will not happen!!

 

[JEDIYoda]

Good, the fewer there are, they easier it will be to galvanize around 1 candidate for the actual presidential run.

That is true!! At least we will not have so many Democrats beating up on each other instead of addressing the main goal which is to beat Trtump!!

 

[fskimospy]

At least I won't stay home if Bernie turns out to be the Democratic nominee for president, and will gladly vote for him. Wonder if others can do that if Biden becomes the nominee.

Yup, if Bernie wins I will do cartwheels to the voting booth to vote for him.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Now the test is can Bernie turn out enough people to win. I keep hearing he is going to turn out all these young people who have never voted to win the Presidency. First step is he needs to turn them out to win the nomination.

 

[Blackjack200]

If you guys are saying the moderates are acting strategically in order to make it more likely a moderate will win the nomination you're right! They are totally doing that! That's not 'fixing the election' though, that's 'trying to win the election'.

I feel like I was recently assured that the platforms of the major Democratic candidates are actually quite similar, and in that context it's hard to understand why it's so important to stop Sanders in the first place. Of course, I could be remembering it wrong, I didn't bother to look up the posts, but please let me know if my prior here is mistaken, I can take a few minutes.

 

[JEDIYoda]

As I hear a TV preacher say the other day -- It doesn`t matter who the Democrats pick to run against God`s President!! God is still in control!! -- You believe that caca????

 

[fskimospy]

I feel like I was recently assured that the platforms of the major Democratic candidates are actually quite similar, and in that context it's hard to understand why it's so important to stop Sanders in the first place. Of course, I could be remembering it wrong, I didn't bother to look up the posts, but please let me know if my prior here is mistaken, I can take a few minutes.

Look up what posts? I'm confused as to what you're trying to argue as I've been very clear that I will happily vote for any of the candidates, same as you have confirmed.

 

[hal2kilo]

That is true!! At least we will not have so many Democrats beating up on each other instead of addressing the main goal which is to beat Trtump!!

And generating thousands of negative talking points, to be pelted with by the Trumpistas.

 

[Blackjack200]

Look up what posts? I'm confused as to what you're trying to argue as I've been very clear that I will happily vote for any of the candidates, same as you have confirmed.

I'm asking why the other candidates are consolidating to oppose Sanders if all their platforms are the same or at least very similar.

 

[fskimospy]

I'm asking why the other candidates are consolidating to oppose Sanders if all their platforms are the same or at least very similar.

To be clear what I've said is what they are likely to accomplish in office is probably about the same, not that their platforms are the same. My point has always been that their platforms don't really matter that much because Congress will limit them.

Also this is my interpretation, it doesn't mean other people in the Democratic party share it.

 

[hal2kilo]

To be clear what I've said is what they are likely to accomplish in office is probably about the same, not that their platforms are the same. My point has always been that their platforms don't really matter that much because Congress will limit them.

Also this is my interpretation, it doesn't mean other people in the Democratic party share it.

And thus the importance of down ballet pull when considering the nominee.

 

[Starbuck1975]

So how exactly is it being 'fixed'?

I didn’t say “fixed”. It’s strategy, and Biden has the benefit of the establishment and donor class to support his campaign. I don’t think its a particularly sound strategy against Trump.

 

[mect]

If you guys are saying the moderates are acting strategically in order to make it more likely a moderate will win the nomination you're right! They are totally doing that! That's not 'fixing the election' though, that's 'trying to win the election'.

The only thing I would change is that it isn't so much the moderates acting as it is the party establishment and donors acting to accomplish this. What rubs me the wrong way is that a progressive party shouldn't promote the power of a few individuals over the power of the masses. If I got the impression that the majority of the democratic party was pushing for a centrist because that aligned with their politics, I wouldn't be concerned about these types of maneuvers. However, based on polling on issues, my impression is that the rank and file members of the democratic party are far more in favor of Sanders' policies than Biden's, but are constantly being pushed towards more moderate candidates by those of influence to maintain the status quo.

 

[Bitek]

Let's see if the consolidation didn't come too late.

I don't think so since Biden crushed it in SC, and historically most winnowing happens after NH, so it was really maybe just NV as a split vote hurting Biden.

Real test will be what the outcome of tomorrow will be and how many votes were "wasted" on Pete and Amy (not that they got that many anyway.)

 

[fskimospy]

The only thing I would change is that it isn't so much the moderates acting as it is the party establishment and donors acting to accomplish this. What rubs me the wrong way is that a progressive party shouldn't promote the power of a few individuals over the power of the masses. If I got the impression that the majority of the democratic party was pushing for a centrist because that aligned with their politics, I wouldn't be concerned about these types of maneuvers. However, based on polling on issues, my impression is that the rank and file members of the democratic party are far more in favor of Sanders' policies than Biden's, but are constantly being pushed towards more moderate candidates by those of influence to maintain the status quo.

How would you differentiate between moderates and the party establishment. For example can you point me to a member of the party who is both moderate and would not be viewed as a member of the establishment? Maybe Tulsi Gabbard, haha.

I think it's that Democrats care about beating Trump more than they care about enacting progressive policies as surveys consistently show. Those surveys also have consistently shown that Democrats believe Biden to be more capable of beating Trump than Sanders (although before SC there was a brief moment where Sanders claimed that mantle). I don't think you need this idea of people being tricked into supporting someone they don't like when a perfectly plausible explanation like 'winning matters more than anything else' is there.

Biden certainly isn't my first choice, he seems to be someone you nominate out of fear of losing as opposed to someone you nominate because you have someone you're really into. That being said I don't think any Democratic candidate has the sort of broad based appeal Obama had and Biden seems to be about as close as they have to it. It all comes down to whether or not you think enthusiasm in the base is more important (Bernie!) or if you think appealing to moderates is more important (Biden!).

 

[JEDIYoda]

you do know what Klobuchar spells backwards?? Rahcubolk.....just some trivia brought to you by the Center for Truth and justice and the American way!!

 

[hal2kilo]

How would you differentiate between moderates and the party establishment. For example can you point me to a member of the party who is both moderate and would not be viewed as a member of the establishment? Maybe Tulsi Gabbard, haha.

I think it's that Democrats care about beating Trump more than they care about enacting progressive policies as surveys consistently show. Those surveys also have consistently shown that Democrats believe Biden to be more capable of beating Trump than Sanders (although before SC there was a brief moment where Sanders claimed that mantle). I don't think you need this idea of people being tricked into supporting someone they don't like when a perfectly plausible explanation like 'winning matters more than anything else' is there.

Biden certainly isn't my first choice, he seems to be someone you nominate out of fear of losing as opposed to someone you nominate because you have someone you're really into. That being said I don't think any Democratic candidate has the sort of broad based appeal Obama had and Biden seems to be about as close as they have to it. It all comes down to whether or not you think enthusiasm in the base is more important (Bernie!) or if you think appealing to moderates is more important (Biden!).

I literally view Biden as a caretaker vote for normalcy. No way, he's going to stay for 4 more if he wins. He should pick someone progressive for VP to run for pres in the next election.

 

[Maxima1]

How would you differentiate between moderates and the party establishment. For example can you point me to a member of the party who is both moderate and would not be viewed as a member of the establishment? Maybe Tulsi Gabbard, haha.

I'm not sure what your point is here. We can easily identity who is "establishment" and who isn't. Tulsi going away from key points of the party shows some independence. Didn't she want M4A, btw?

I think it's that Democrats care about beating Trump more than they care about enacting progressive policies as surveys consistently show. Those surveys also have consistently shown that Democrats believe Biden to be more capable of beating Trump than Sanders (although before SC there was a brief moment where Sanders claimed that mantle). I don't think you need this idea of people being tricked into supporting someone they don't like when a perfectly plausible explanation like 'winning matters more than anything else' is there.

That's actually bad for Biden that Bernie is so close considering that Biden has the MSM and the whole establishment telling their base that Bernie sucks because he's "communist"/"socialist". It's also peculiar that even though progressive policies poll high, we need to "moderate", yet identity politics doesn't despite the evidence indicating racial tensions were a factor in 2016.

Biden certainly isn't my first choice, he seems to be someone you nominate out of fear of losing as opposed to someone you nominate because you have someone you're really into. That being said I don't think any Democratic candidate has the sort of broad based appeal Obama had and Biden seems to be about as close as they have to it. It all comes down to whether or not you think enthusiasm in the base is more important (Bernie!) or if you think appealing to moderates is more important (Biden!).

Bernie would probably be similar to Biden in general because he provides path of least resistance i.e. Clinton states + PA +MI +WI. And both will probably need a 2.5+ buffer in the vote to ensure no electoral college BS. Down-ballot fears are overstated. At best, Biden may get one more Senator.

 

[alcoholbob]

I honestly don't understand why (her and Booty) are leaving right before super tuesday? Booty especially because he practically won Iowa, there is zero reason to believe he was some kind of massive underdog.

Also hasn't their damage kinda already been done since states offer early voting?

Most likely there were promises made to them by the Biden campaign regarding administration appointments is my guess.