Kiss your gfs and mothers goodbye.. Bill instituting draft introduced (and died)

[charrison]

Originally posted by: Booster

The odds of you being killed in a car accident are probably greater than the chance that you would be wounded/killed in a major military conflict.

You're one heck of an optimist, aren't you?

Oddly enough during the gulf war soldiers were statistically safer fighting iraq than doing their normal peacetime operations. Strange, but true.

 

[HappyPuppy]

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You're one heck of an optimist, aren't you?
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Been there and done that, bro. One full year under fire and never received anything more than a couple of minor injuries.

You just gottta believe in the odds.

I just can't believe the cowardly, self serving, ego centric posts I have seen. Sad.

 

[wQuay]

You expect people to serve our country but you are too freakin' scared to yourself?

our country != our government

 

[SgtBuddy]

They find German subs off the coast all the time. There was a battle off the coast of California too. Tomorrow's war will not be like yesterday's. Just think of very small, very quick conflicts. Think single acts that determine a victorious outcome.

Now, as for the draft. We are pretty picky on who we take right now. The bill looked more like training than service. Train em, teach em, let them go and hey, maybe they will like it. Will do some good for those who have no direction.

 

[Aceman]

Originally posted by: kevin000
When mainland America is threatened I will glady join the Armed Forces. But to fight a war overseas because certain people feel America should police the world is insane.

All Politicians care about is getting money (campaign donations) so they can be re-elected. They don't get elected, they don't have a job. And is pretty obvious that politicians are almost useless, just look at campaign advertisements. I'm not sure about the rest of the country, but in NY/NJ all you hear about is the negative, never the positive. And I've come to believe that there is no positive for them to talk about.

It already has been threatened. Forgot about 9/11 already?

 

[Booster]

Originally posted by: HappyPuppy
When mainland America is threatened I will glady join the Armed Forces. But to fight a war overseas because certain people feel America should police the world is insane.

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You, sir, are out of your mind. You state that you would rather fight in your own backyard rather than somebody elses' backyard. You never want to let the enemy get to your back door. You want to knock on their back door. You never want to put your own civilian population at risk, you want to put their civilian population at risk.

The truth is that I would never look over my shoulder to see if you were backing me up, you would be long gone.

Whining coward. I hope your life reflects your committment to your country.

HappyPuppy, you can make a real good draftsman! As they sing in a song, by Smokie, IIRC, 'Nothing to do, baby, stay in bed'...

 

[Kevin]

Originally posted by: HappyPuppy
When mainland America is threatened I will glady join the Armed Forces. But to fight a war overseas because certain people feel America should police the world is insane.

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You, sir, are out of your mind. You state that you would rather fight in your own backyard rather than somebody elses' backyard. You never want to let the enemy get to your back door. You want to knock on their back door. You never want to put your own civilian population at risk, you want to put their civilian population at risk.

The truth is that I would never look over my shoulder to see if you were backing me up, you would be long gone.

Whining coward. I hope your life reflects your committment to your country.

I didn't say I would rather fight in my backyard, I said that when our freedom, our land, our likelihood is compromised, I will gladly fight. To be a part of something that should have been over and done with a long time ago is crazy. Our foreign policies throughout the cold war have only gotten us into trouble. We allied ourselves with countries we'd never consider friends only because we shared a common enemy. Although I'm not sure how much truth this holds, but even Saddam was put into power by the USA because the older government was more terrible. We're a country built entirely around oil. If we'd spend half the money and dedicate half the effort we do to secure oil, we would have found an alternate source years ago.

Only when American money is threatened to be act. Take Africa for example. Millions and millions of food and medicine is donated yearly to the people. Yet their government confiscates it and sells it to its people. Why don't we intervene? Its a crime agains humanity isn't it? Because our money is not envolved, thats why. It all boils down to money.

 

[rh71]

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: silverpig
... and the population of Canada grew from 30 million to 50 million overnight...

LOL! Count me in.

Which route are you guys taking? I got dibs on the QEW... outta my way !!!

 

[HappyPuppy]

10/13/2002 9:00 PM (NEW!)




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Originally posted by: HappyPuppy
When mainland America is threatened I will glady join the Armed Forces. But to fight a war overseas because certain people feel America should police the world is insane.

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You, sir, are out of your mind. You state that you would rather fight in your own backyard rather than somebody elses' backyard. You never want to let the enemy get to your back door. You want to knock on their back door. You never want to put your own civilian population at risk, you want to put their civilian population at risk.

The truth is that I would never look over my shoulder to see if you were backing me up, you would be long gone.

Whining coward. I hope your life reflects your committment to your country.
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I didn't say I would rather fight in my backyard, I said that when our freedom, our land, our likelihood is compromised, I will gladly fight. To be a part of something that should have been over and done with a long time ago is crazy. Our foreign policies throughout the cold war have only gotten us into trouble. We allied ourselves with countries we'd never consider friends only because we shared a common enemy. Although I'm not sure how much truth this holds, but even Saddam was put into power by the USA because the older government was more terrible. We're a country built entirely around oil. If we'd spend half the money and dedicate half the effort we do to secure oil, we would have found an alternate source years ago.

Only when American money is threatened to be act. Take Africa for example. Millions and millions of food and medicine is donated yearly to the people. Yet their government confiscates it and sells it to its people. Why don't we intervene? Its a crime agains humanity isn't it? Because our money is not envolved, thats why. It all boils down to money.
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WTF did you just say? Boy, you need to go back to school to learn how to express yourself. Come back when you have an education.

 

[Kevin]

Originally posted by: Aceman
It already has been threatened. Forgot about 9/11 already?

No I haven't, I know many people affected by it. The war on terrorism is a war that can never be won. There will always be radicals floating among the masses foriegn and domestic. Have you forgotten about Oklahoma City? I don't think Timothy McVeigh was part of Osama's Terror Network.

If we're going to fight a war, we have to abide by certain standards and not take sides. We live in a world of "Do as I say, not as I do", why should we give special treatment to anyone. If you break the law, you pay the price. But if you have enough money, then off you go. Look at Senator Torricelli. It's a known fact that he accepted bribes, hell the people who were giving him handouts are in jail, why isn't the Senator?

Double Standard.

 

[ScottyB]

Here we go..

I don't expect anybody to do anything, really. If people want to fight for this country, that's fine..

I, however, am not one of them. I'm not exactly jumping with joy about our government, as a whole. I don't exactly like the way that we acquired the land that we now call the United States of America.

I would certainly defend my family & friends, people around me, and the land around me if it were threatened, but I am not going to serve anybody or anything.

I feel the same way.

 

[Valinos]

Originally posted by: Millenium
In WWII, Mainland America was not being directly attacked. How many of you would have rallied against us entering the war then? Sure you may say Pearl Harbor, and my response to that is 9/11(case for Afghanistan) and Saddam becoming increasingly unstable and paying money to terrorists. It would have been nice if we could have gotten Hitler before he became such a dastardly leader. Should we wait around for Saddam to do the same? He has already attacked Iran and Kuwait because he had expansionist ideals much like Stalin or Hitler.

Give me a break. I will fight when the war gets here. What a load of crap. By that time it will be too late.

I have to laugh every time someone compares Saddam to Hitler and Iraq to WW2 Germany. Gimme a frickin' break. Iraq simply does not have the technology or manpower to take over the middle east. Saddam hasn't, nor has the power, to kill millions of people like Hitler. The U.S. to Iraq is like China to Tibet.

 

[HappyPuppy]

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Here we go..

I don't expect anybody to do anything, really. If people want to fight for this country, that's fine..

I, however, am not one of them. I'm not exactly jumping with joy about our government, as a whole. I don't exactly like the way that we acquired the land that we now call the United States of America.

I would certainly defend my family & friends, people around me, and the land around me if it were threatened, but I am not going to serve anybody or anything.
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I feel the same way.

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So, what's keeping you here? Too scared to go to another country to live?

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: rh71

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: silverpig
... and the population of Canada grew from 30 million to 50 million overnight...

LOL! Count me in.

Which route are you guys taking? I got dibs on the QEW... outta my way !!!

I only have to go ~300 miles to the Canadian border..

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: Valinos

Originally posted by: Millenium
In WWII, Mainland America was not being directly attacked. How many of you would have rallied against us entering the war then? Sure you may say Pearl Harbor, and my response to that is 9/11(case for Afghanistan) and Saddam becoming increasingly unstable and paying money to terrorists. It would have been nice if we could have gotten Hitler before he became such a dastardly leader. Should we wait around for Saddam to do the same? He has already attacked Iran and Kuwait because he had expansionist ideals much like Stalin or Hitler.

Give me a break. I will fight when the war gets here. What a load of crap. By that time it will be too late.

I have to laugh every time someone compares Saddam to Hitler and Iraq to WW2 Germany. Gimme a frickin' break. Iraq simply does not have the technology or manpower to take over the middle east. Saddam hasn't, nor has the power, to kill millions of people like Hitler. The U.S. to Iraq is like China to Tibet.

IF the US were to leave the middle east, Saddam would quickly be in control of most of it. Their military is in shambles, but it is better than what their neighbors have.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: Valinos

Originally posted by: Millenium
In WWII, Mainland America was not being directly attacked. How many of you would have rallied against us entering the war then? Sure you may say Pearl Harbor, and my response to that is 9/11(case for Afghanistan) and Saddam becoming increasingly unstable and paying money to terrorists. It would have been nice if we could have gotten Hitler before he became such a dastardly leader. Should we wait around for Saddam to do the same? He has already attacked Iran and Kuwait because he had expansionist ideals much like Stalin or Hitler.

Give me a break. I will fight when the war gets here. What a load of crap. By that time it will be too late.

I have to laugh every time someone compares Saddam to Hitler and Iraq to WW2 Germany. Gimme a frickin' break. Iraq simply does not have the technology or manpower to take over the middle east. Saddam hasn't, nor has the power, to kill millions of people like Hitler. The U.S. to Iraq is like China to Tibet.

WTF do you think WMD are for? That is your millions of people right there. Boy you people make me LMAO with some of your absurd rebuttals. No one thinks Saddam has a large and powerful army(it was a large army at one time). He has chemical and biological weapons and either has or is close to nuclear weapons.

What do you think the point of WMD are? To cuddle with at night?

 

[HappyPuppy]

I just want to cuddle with my nuke tonight. I won't use it on anybody, honest, you can trust me, don't look under my blanket, I wouldn't ever hurt anybody.

EXCEPT YOU!

 

[Desslok]

Originally posted by: crobusa
PDF of H.R. 3598 Well, those without gfs can kiss themelves goodbye. I do hope that our wise elected people understand that the angst we have is the same fear that they had during Vietnam.

ROTFLMAO-Nothing like jumping the gun a little bit. The world is over kiss everyone you love goodbye!

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: HappyPuppy
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Here we go..

I don't expect anybody to do anything, really. If people want to fight for this country, that's fine..

I, however, am not one of them. I'm not exactly jumping with joy about our government, as a whole. I don't exactly like the way that we acquired the land that we now call the United States of America.

I would certainly defend my family & friends, people around me, and the land around me if it were threatened, but I am not going to serve anybody or anything.
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I feel the same way.

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So, what's keeping you here? Too scared to go to another country to live?

I don't see why people get so upset when others suggest they aren't willing to die for their country. What's the big deal? I am not a violent person.. I'm not interested in killing people because my government says I should, or whatever.. I don't know, I probably don't really know how to adequately express myself.

As for what's keeping me here.. My life is here.. My family, friends, etc. I have no reason to leave.

I could have just as well said I'd move to Alaska. Would that have made you happier? My point was that if I was threatened in any way, even by my own government, I would just simply disappear.. as far as they're concerned.

By the way. There is a quote button. Use it.

 

[Mill]

Here is an infographic:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/nation/graphics/attack/zone_35.html

Saddam is not only a conventional military threat to the Middle East, but a WMD to the entire world.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: HappyPuppy
I just want to cuddle with my nuke tonight. I won't use it on anybody, honest, you can trust me, don't look under my blanket, I wouldn't ever hurt anybody.

EXCEPT YOU!

Aww. How touching. I thought minendo whored you out last night?

 

[Valinos]

Originally posted by: Millenium

Originally posted by: Valinos

Originally posted by: Millenium
In WWII, Mainland America was not being directly attacked. How many of you would have rallied against us entering the war then? Sure you may say Pearl Harbor, and my response to that is 9/11(case for Afghanistan) and Saddam becoming increasingly unstable and paying money to terrorists. It would have been nice if we could have gotten Hitler before he became such a dastardly leader. Should we wait around for Saddam to do the same? He has already attacked Iran and Kuwait because he had expansionist ideals much like Stalin or Hitler.

Give me a break. I will fight when the war gets here. What a load of crap. By that time it will be too late.

I have to laugh every time someone compares Saddam to Hitler and Iraq to WW2 Germany. Gimme a frickin' break. Iraq simply does not have the technology or manpower to take over the middle east. Saddam hasn't, nor has the power, to kill millions of people like Hitler. The U.S. to Iraq is like China to Tibet.

WTF do you think WMD are for? That is your millions of people right there. Boy you people make me LMAO with some of your absurd rebuttals. No one thinks Saddam has a large and powerful army(it was a large army at one time). He has chemical and biological weapons and either has or is close to nuclear weapons.

What do you think the point of WMD are? To cuddle with at night?

You think Israel doesn't have the means to fight back? Iran? Saudi Arabia? If Iraq threatened Israel in particular, there'd be a lot of dead Iraqis. I don't think it is our deal, let them screw with each other. If the time comes that Iraq is a threat to our nation, then let's go blow them up. That'll never happen though, because his army is weak and his technology sucks. If Iraq started invading countries in the middle east, their neighbors would become extremely apprehensive and probably fight back. Iran and Israel in particular aren't on very good terms with Iraq.

Thing is, Saddam isn't Hitler. Iraq isn't Germany. At the mention of U.S. troops, Iraqi soldiers run in fear.

Don't get me wrong, I have no problem with an invasion of Iraq, but to compare him with Hitler is just outrageous.

EDIT: To clear it up, since it sounds like I contradict myself. I don't necessarily think it is our deal to keep peace in the middle east, but at the same time I think a good ass-whipping is in order for Saddam. It is time to finish what we started.

 

[Kevin]

Originally posted by: Valinos
EDIT: To clear it up, since it sounds like I contradict myself. I don't necessarily think it is our deal to keep peace in the middle east, but at the same time I think a good ass-whipping is in order for Saddam. It is time to finish what we started.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: Valinos

Originally posted by: Millenium

Originally posted by: Valinos

Originally posted by: Millenium
In WWII, Mainland America was not being directly attacked. How many of you would have rallied against us entering the war then? Sure you may say Pearl Harbor, and my response to that is 9/11(case for Afghanistan) and Saddam becoming increasingly unstable and paying money to terrorists. It would have been nice if we could have gotten Hitler before he became such a dastardly leader. Should we wait around for Saddam to do the same? He has already attacked Iran and Kuwait because he had expansionist ideals much like Stalin or Hitler.

Give me a break. I will fight when the war gets here. What a load of crap. By that time it will be too late.

I have to laugh every time someone compares Saddam to Hitler and Iraq to WW2 Germany. Gimme a frickin' break. Iraq simply does not have the technology or manpower to take over the middle east. Saddam hasn't, nor has the power, to kill millions of people like Hitler. The U.S. to Iraq is like China to Tibet.

WTF do you think WMD are for? That is your millions of people right there. Boy you people make me LMAO with some of your absurd rebuttals. No one thinks Saddam has a large and powerful army(it was a large army at one time). He has chemical and biological weapons and either has or is close to nuclear weapons.

What do you think the point of WMD are? To cuddle with at night?

You think Israel doesn't have the means to fight back? Iran? Saudi Arabia? If Iraq threatened Israel in particular, there'd be a lot of dead Iraqis. I don't think it is our deal, let them screw with each other. If the time comes that Iraq is a threat to our nation, then let's go blow them up. That'll never happen though, because his army is weak and his technology sucks. If Iraq started invading countries in the middle east, their neighbors would become extremely apprehensive and probably fight back. Iran and Israel in particular aren't on very good terms with Iraq.

Thing is, Saddam isn't Hitler. Iraq isn't Germany. At the mention of U.S. troops, Iraqi soldiers run in fear.

Don't get me wrong, I have no problem with an invasion of Iraq, but to compare him with Hitler is just outrageous.

EDIT: To clear it up, since it sounds like I contradict myself. I don't necessarily think it is our deal to keep peace in the middle east, but at the same time I think a good ass-whipping is in order for Saddam. It is time to finish what we started.

I agree Saddam needs to be removed from power, but Iraq is a threat to us right now. Your scenario of Saudi Arabia and Iran fighting along side Israel is impossible. Saddam has clear expansionist ideals and Saudi Arabia and Iran could not contain him. If Saddam were to attack Israel first and try to overrun them, other Arab countrys would be dying to help. Sorry, but Iran and Saudi Arabia will NOT hold Iraq in check. Your scenario is asking for a dangerous confrontation and WMD would be used.

 

[Valinos]

Originally posted by: Millenium

Originally posted by: Valinos

Originally posted by: Millenium

Originally posted by: Valinos

Originally posted by: Millenium
In WWII, Mainland America was not being directly attacked. How many of you would have rallied against us entering the war then? Sure you may say Pearl Harbor, and my response to that is 9/11(case for Afghanistan) and Saddam becoming increasingly unstable and paying money to terrorists. It would have been nice if we could have gotten Hitler before he became such a dastardly leader. Should we wait around for Saddam to do the same? He has already attacked Iran and Kuwait because he had expansionist ideals much like Stalin or Hitler.

Give me a break. I will fight when the war gets here. What a load of crap. By that time it will be too late.

I have to laugh every time someone compares Saddam to Hitler and Iraq to WW2 Germany. Gimme a frickin' break. Iraq simply does not have the technology or manpower to take over the middle east. Saddam hasn't, nor has the power, to kill millions of people like Hitler. The U.S. to Iraq is like China to Tibet.

WTF do you think WMD are for? That is your millions of people right there. Boy you people make me LMAO with some of your absurd rebuttals. No one thinks Saddam has a large and powerful army(it was a large army at one time). He has chemical and biological weapons and either has or is close to nuclear weapons.

What do you think the point of WMD are? To cuddle with at night?

You think Israel doesn't have the means to fight back? Iran? Saudi Arabia? If Iraq threatened Israel in particular, there'd be a lot of dead Iraqis. I don't think it is our deal, let them screw with each other. If the time comes that Iraq is a threat to our nation, then let's go blow them up. That'll never happen though, because his army is weak and his technology sucks. If Iraq started invading countries in the middle east, their neighbors would become extremely apprehensive and probably fight back. Iran and Israel in particular aren't on very good terms with Iraq.

Thing is, Saddam isn't Hitler. Iraq isn't Germany. At the mention of U.S. troops, Iraqi soldiers run in fear.

Don't get me wrong, I have no problem with an invasion of Iraq, but to compare him with Hitler is just outrageous.

EDIT: To clear it up, since it sounds like I contradict myself. I don't necessarily think it is our deal to keep peace in the middle east, but at the same time I think a good ass-whipping is in order for Saddam. It is time to finish what we started.

I agree Saddam needs to be removed from power, but Iraq is a threat to us right now. Your scenario of Saudi Arabia and Iran fighting along side Israel is impossible. Saddam has clear expansionist ideals and Saudi Arabia and Iran could not contain him. If Saddam were to attack Israel first and try to overrun them, other Arab countrys would be dying to help. Sorry, but Iran and Saudi Arabia will NOT hold Iraq in check. Your scenario is asking for a dangerous confrontation and WMD would be used.

I don't think Saudi Arabia and Iran would HELP Iraq annihilate Israel, because they would be threatened afterwards. Also, if you look at the statistics that Millenium gives, they show that Iran actually has a larger army and more artillery pieces than Iraq. I don't think Iraq would win any war with Iran without horrible casualties. Also, remember...Israel actually has nuclear capabilities. Iraq may, we don't know for sure, but they do have bio and chem weapons. I think Iraq would be hesitant to attack Israel, considering Israel has much better weaponry and nukes at their disposal...and they're not afraid to use 'em.