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KISS bassist offends Muslims

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http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/....%5E1702,00.html

KISS bass player Gene Simmons has caused an uproar among Australia's Muslim community by launching an attack on Islamic culture while in Melbourne.
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The Israeli-born US musician went on to say Islam was a "vile culture" that treated women worse than dogs.
Muslim women had to walk behind their men and were not allowed to be educated or own houses, he said.
"Your dog, however, can walk side by side, your dog is allowed to have its own dog house... you can send your dog to school to learn tricks, sit, beg, do all that stuff ? none of the women have that advantage."
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"This is a vile culture and if you think for a second that it's going to just live in the sands of God's armpit you've got another thing coming," he said.
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Preach on brother :thumbsup:
 
Originally posted by: Infohawk
I think Simmons is missing the larger picture here. All religions are equally absurd and vile.
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I tend to agree that all religions are the cause of many of the world?s problems. That?s why as a society develops it relies less and less on their religion.
 
props to the first two replies

I was going to come in here talk sh!t about religion too 😛

Maybe George Bush can calm them by GIVING them some Faith Based CASH out of your taxes 😉
 
Interestingly Gene Simmons was born in Israel as I recall, and was a Jewish seminary student well into his teens. He may be too close to this issue.
 
The simple minded blame religion when what religion was supposed to cure is the problem with religion. Those without religion are every bit as infected as those who believe. The difference is that an occasional believer gets free. Not to many non-believers do.

Religion is a door to another way of seeing. But the religious and non religious don't want to see. But spiritual texts contain all kinds of clues as to what is wrong. Sometimes people accidental see despite their best efforts not to. Have a care. You may be laughing your ass off from the actual Hell, the place you are right now.
 
Moonbeam,


Please explain how religion is supposed to cure the problem with religion. Your statement seems circular. Those of us without religion are infected with what exactly?


"The difference is that an occasional believer gets free. Not to many non-believers do"

How do you define "free"?


"Religion is a door to another way of seeing."

Which is what exactly?


Your statements are just a collection of vagueries. If you think religion is worthy of something come out in clear language explaining what it's worth.
 
Originally posted by: Infohawk
I think Simmons is missing the larger picture here. All religions are equally absurd and vile.
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If you compare the entirety of religion throughout History, then your conclusion has merrit. As religion stands now in the 21st Century, Islam is more vile and disgustingly destructive than any other.

Though, most on the left and around the world, refuse to see that which stands before them.
 
Originally posted by: HelloDeli
Originally posted by: Infohawk
I think Simmons is missing the larger picture here. All religions are equally absurd and vile.
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If you compare the entirety of religion throughout History, then your conclusion has merrit. As religion stands now in the 21st Century, Islam is more vile and disgustingly destructive than any other.

Though, most on the left and around the world, refuse to see that which stands before them.
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I am not sure Islam is currently more destructive than other religions. Let's take Judeism. It has recently been used to create a state which had no other foundation besides a religious one. That state has engendered multiple wars and antipathy that has sparked most of the terrorist acts by Muslims. I don't think it's fair to single out Islam. You are implicitly taking sides when you criticize Muslims. That's why I say they are all equally ignorant and reprehensible. (That goes for the current president who said god wanted him to be president. )
 
Originally posted by: Infohawk
Moonbeam,


Please explain how religion is supposed to cure the problem with religion. Your statement seems circular. Those of us without religion are infected with what exactly?


"The difference is that an occasional believer gets free. Not to many non-believers do"

How do you define "free"?


"Religion is a door to another way of seeing."

Which is what exactly?


Your statements are just a collection of vagueries. If you think religion is worthy of something come out in clear language explaining what it's worth.
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The blue pill or the red pill

you are supposed to be able to see what he is saying .... if not then you lose the chance.
 
Though, most on the left and around the world, refuse to see that which stands before them.
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HelloDeli, what is that which stands before the left? your first statement you seem to agree with the statement that religion itself maybe the problem with the world (at least that is how I read what you said) and then you put this last sentence in. The left is usually the less religious of the two parties, so I don?t understand.

Moonbeam, the simple minded are usually the ones that are persuaded by religion to do almost anything without thought. I am not against being religious, but I am against (or at least disagree with) most organized religions. They ALL play way to many political games. A great example would be, the Catholics saying that if you vote for Kerry, you will have to repent for your SINS (for voting for him) or else you will go to hell. I mean, regardless on how you stand on abortion to say that if you vote for a person that is pro choice and you do not repent you will go to hell is a little insane! That is religion changing policy and playing politics, and shaping peoples minds.
 
A great example would be, the Catholics saying that if you vote for Kerry, you will have to repent for your SINS (for voting for him) or else you will go to hell.
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And where did you pick up this false piece of information may I ask? This is a false statement and I challenge you to back it up.
Relating to the Islamic faith, Mr Simmons was right on that.
As to Isrial, they were attacked the very first day that they were declared a country by countries that are predominatly Muslim. What do they want? just to live in peace with there neighbors and not be attacked by war mongering muslims.

Bleep
 
Bleep, it would be very counterpoductive to get into Israeli-Arab history. The point is that if there was no judeism there would be no Israel and no Israeli wars. Could you say the same for Islam? Perhaps (but most cultural groups would have a problem with being ethnically cleansed). The point is all religions are equally stupid.

I challenge you to explain why judeism or christianity should be given any more deference than Islam. As it is, your comments suggest you have the positions of a standard religious bigot: "some religions are okay (namely mine and those condoned by my religion) but others are bad."
 
"Your statements are just a collection of vagaries. If you think religion is worthy of something come out in clear language explaining what it's worth."

A buck 280?

Once Mulla Nasrudin went traveling with a Jew a Christian and a Muslim. They had little money and a big hunger so they bought a portion of halva. They were about to eat it when somebody asked who should get the first portion. There ensued an argument as to who was most worthy and they agreed to wait till morning and the one with the best dream would get the first piece. In the morning the Jew started in about how he has seen Moses on the mountain and was told that he was especially blessed and should get the halve. The Christian saw Christ on the cross who said the same thing and so on with the Muslim. naturally their stories were more colorful and full of detail, but today we have to get to the point quick. When they turned to the Mulla he said. Kidhr the patron saint of the Sufis appeared to me in shimmering green. He ordered me to eat the halva and of course I had to obey.

One day the Mulla was out walking with a student. A Sufi walked by and pointed to the sky. (There is one truth and it covers all) A mad man thought the student. The Mullah held up a rope he happened to be carrying. (And mankind tries to reach that truth by means as ridiculous as climbing a rope to the sky) Good thought the student. If he tries anything funny we will tie him up.

It was reported that Mulla Nasrudin knew a deep and secret truth which he would not tell. He had one student that pestered him constantly as to what it was. For years he begged and pleaded. So finally the Mulla called him aside and addressed him in private. 'Do you promise you won't tell anybody no matter what.' Yes yes' answered the student. 'You swear by everything holy?' 'Oh yes Mulla I will die before I tell a soul' 'OK then', said the Mulla, 'know that I can keep a secret as good as you.'

What do they do with the old moon, somebody asked the Mulla. They cut it up and make forty stars, he replied.

The king got fed up with liars in his demands to know the truth and issued an order a gallows to be built and the people be questioned as they entered the city and hung if they were caught in a lie. The Mulla was first to the gate. Where are you going asked the guards. To be hung on yonder gallows answered the Mulla. You lie, said the guards. Then hang me replied the Mulla. But if we hang you you will have told the truth. Yes replied, the Nasrudin, your truth.
 
If religion is worth $2.80 then I would be happy to buy it from you and incinerate it so that it can stop plaguing our species.
 
Originally posted by: Infohawk
If religion is worth $2.80 then I would be happy to buy it from you and incinerate it so that it can stop plaguing our species.
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Yes well that tells us something about what you know of halva.
 
Originally posted by: Infohawk
Bleep, it would be very counterpoductive to get into Israeli-Arab history. The point is that if there was no judeism there would be no Israel and no Israeli wars. Could you say the same for Islam? Perhaps (but most cultural groups would have a problem with being ethnically cleansed). The point is all religions are equally stupid.

I challenge you to explain why judeism or christianity should be given any more deference than Islam. As it is, your comments suggest you have the positions of a standard religious bigot: "some religions are okay (namely mine and those condoned by my religion) but others are bad."
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If a Murder Victim(Israel) never existed, there would be no Murderer(Islam)
If a Rape Victim(Israel) never existed, there would be no Rapist(Islam)
If a Black Person(Israel) never existed, there would be no Slave Owner(Islam)

Is the Murder Victim, Rape Victim, and the Black Person just as guilty as the Murderer, Rapist, and the Slave Owner?

If religion is worth $2.80 then I would be happy to buy it from you and incinerate it so that it can stop plaguing our species.
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Humanity plagues Humanity. Your lack of religion is your religion.
 
I always forget that there is no purpose discussing with someone who is blind with faith. They simply cannot be reasoned with and hence communication has no point. Thank you for reminding me.
 
Originally posted by: Infohawk
If religion is worth $2.80 then I would be happy to buy it from you and incinerate it so that it can stop plaguing our species.
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It is not religion that has value but, rather, our eternity. We will proceed from life into death and be either food for the existing or at peace with our creator or both or neither. It is only for each of us to place a value on that.
 
Mulla Moonbeam,

I wonder if Nasruden may have felt that to sit upon a rock and look to where he would go and from where he had come indicated eternity... and faith... what he sees is faith... that when he gets there it will be as he saw it and from whence he came is yet another's faith and truth ... having been there he'd know this for sure so why not what he sees before him having not been there as yet but certain another has.
 
Originally posted by: Infohawk
I always forget that there is no purpose discussing with someone who is blind with faith. They simply cannot be reasoned with and hence communication has no point. Thank you for reminding me.
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You need faith if you are blind. Thankfully you are an atheist because I would immediately leave any religeon your hateful self joined.


Right on Gene!
 
FelixDeRat, why are you assuming I am hateful. I stated all religions are equally ridiculous. How does it follow from that I am hateful?

"Thankfully you are an atheist because I would immediately leave any religeon your hateful self joined."
What a bizarre statement. I have come out against religion and you are imagining what you would do if I were a leader of a religion?

"You need faith if you are blind. "
One can be blind and be an atheist or an agnostic. You fail to explain why a blind person needs faith.
 
Originally posted by: Infohawk
I always forget that there is no purpose discussing with someone who is blind with faith. They simply cannot be reasoned with and hence communication has no point. Thank you for reminding me.
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Oh man, if you think it's brutal arguing with people who believe in halva you should try debating somebody who's actually tasted it. One time the Mulla rode into town backward on his donkey. The people said why are you riding backward, Mulla. The Mulla replied, Why is it that nobody ever sees that it could be the donkey that's the wrong way round.

Sorry if I seem to be riding your ass but you know how it is with tea cups.
 
Originally posted by: Infohawk
FelixDeRat, why are you assuming I am hateful. I stated all religions are equally ridiculous. How does it follow from that I am hateful?

"Thankfully you are an atheist because I would immediately leave any religeon your hateful self joined."
What a bizarre statement. I have come out against religion and you are imagining what you would do if I were a leader of a religion?

"You need faith if you are blind. "
One can be blind and be an atheist or an agnostic. You fail to explain why a blind person needs faith.
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>FelixDeRat

Hateful? Proven.

>were a leader of a religion

member not leader, you hateful little atheist

> You fail to explain why a blind person needs faith

You fail to have much comprehension, and simply contiune to ask questions. If you cant see then you must have faith in your envirionment

Now go worship the devil. :evil::laugh: j/k
 
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