Kingdom of Heaven

[Malladine]

Originally posted by: torpid

Originally posted by: Mo0o
Why do you have a low view of Islam

It involves a part of the body which has a cap, part of the title of a steve martin film, and a certain date.

Vague answer of the day!

 

[AMDZen]

Originally posted by: Jumpem

Originally posted by: AMDZen
Exactly what I was thinking. The Christians we're downright wrong in what they did spreading their "religion" during the crusades. That cannot be argued. As long as it portrays the truth, that is what's important. But then again, your obviously not concerned with truth. Typical Christian attitude. "We can do no wrong."

The first thing Christians realize is that we do do wrong. Why do you think we ask Jesus to forgive us? Everyone is imperfect.

I don't agree that we should go around killing non-believers, but that doesn't mean I like muslims either.

Perhaps modern day Christians are, for the most part, the way you describe them. That doesn't stop them from thinking their religion is perfect, and that they are all knowing and everyone else is evil or just wrong. Sure the Muslims might be different, but because they have a few radicals doesn't make the entire religion anymore evil or wrong then Christianity is.

And that is completely beside the point any way. The fact is the Crusades were the biggest and bloodiest wars in all of human history. And it was the Christians that started them, and continued them long after it was necessary to do so. Your talking about not seeing the movie because it won't be historically accurate portraying Chirstians in the wrong, and yet then you admit to having no historical understanding of the time period.

Christian's we're in the wrong, not only just wrong, but the whole thing was the most evil thing humans have done in our entire history, so if anything that should motivate you to see the movie for those reasons, oh and to actually learn something. After all, that way you can see how imperfect your religion really is and always has been. And maybe see why its wrong to force your viewpoint on everyone else, which Christian's are still guilty of today. Especially in this country.

 

[Mo0o]

Originally posted by: AMDZen

Originally posted by: Jumpem

Originally posted by: AMDZen
Exactly what I was thinking. The Christians we're downright wrong in what they did spreading their "religion" during the crusades. That cannot be argued. As long as it portrays the truth, that is what's important. But then again, your obviously not concerned with truth. Typical Christian attitude. "We can do no wrong."

The first thing Christians realize is that we do do wrong. Why do you think we ask Jesus to forgive us? Everyone is imperfect.

I don't agree that we should go around killing non-believers, but that doesn't mean I like muslims either.

Perhaps modern day Christians are, for the most part, the way you describe them. That doesn't stop them from thinking their religion is perfect, and that they are all knowing and everyone else is evil or just wrong. Sure the Muslims might be different, but because they have a few radicals doesn't make the entire religion anymore evil or wrong then Christianity is.

And that is completely beside the point any way. The fact is the Crusades were the biggest and bloodiest wars in all of human history. And it was the Christians that started them, and continued them long after it was necessary to do so. Your talking about not seeing the movie because it won't be historically accurate portraying Chirstians in the wrong, and yet then you admit to having no historical understanding of the time period.

Christian's we're in the wrong, not only just wrong, but the whole thing was the most evil thing humans have done in our entire history, so if anything that should motivate you to see the movie for those reasons, oh and to actually learn something. After all, that way you can see how imperfect your religion really is and always has been. And maybe see why its wrong to force your viewpoint on everyone else, which Christian's are still guilty of today. Especially in this country.

Normally I wouldn't do this but it'll make you seem more credible if you didn't have those unnecessary apostrophes

 

[CPA]

Originally posted by: AMDZen

Originally posted by: Buickbeast

Originally posted by: Jumpem
I'll wait for reviews. If it portrays Christianity in a bad light like Hollywood does I won't pay to see it. On the other hand, if it portrays muslims as the barbarians they are it should be awesome.

What, you don't want to hear the truth?

Exactly what I was thinking. The Christians we're downright wrong in what they did spreading their "religion" during the crusades. That cannot be argued. As long as it portrays the truth, that is what's important. But then again, your obviously not concerned with truth. Typical Christian attitude. "We can do no wrong."

Oh, please, every major religion was trying to spread their influence back then, just like they do now. It's not a typical Christian attitude, it's a typical religious attitude.

 

[Mo0o]

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: AMDZen

Originally posted by: Buickbeast

Originally posted by: Jumpem
I'll wait for reviews. If it portrays Christianity in a bad light like Hollywood does I won't pay to see it. On the other hand, if it portrays muslims as the barbarians they are it should be awesome.

What, you don't want to hear the truth?

Exactly what I was thinking. The Christians we're downright wrong in what they did spreading their "religion" during the crusades. That cannot be argued. As long as it portrays the truth, that is what's important. But then again, your obviously not concerned with truth. Typical Christian attitude. "We can do no wrong."

Oh, please, every major religion was trying to spread their influence back then, just like they do now. It's not a typical Christian attitude, it's a typical religious attitude.

Righto. I think everything boils down to economics and what was best for those in charge. Those in power simply used religion because it was a better motivating factor.

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: AMDZen

Originally posted by: Buickbeast

Originally posted by: Jumpem
I'll wait for reviews. If it portrays Christianity in a bad light like Hollywood does I won't pay to see it. On the other hand, if it portrays muslims as the barbarians they are it should be awesome.

What, you don't want to hear the truth?

Exactly what I was thinking. The Christians we're downright wrong in what they did spreading their "religion" during the crusades. That cannot be argued. As long as it portrays the truth, that is what's important. But then again, your obviously not concerned with truth. Typical Christian attitude. "We can do no wrong."

Oh, please, every major religion was trying to spread their influence back then, just like they do now. It's not a typical Christian attitude, it's a typical religious attitude.

Yep, Muslim empires spread themselves all through the middle east, north africa, and southern europe. While it is correct to say that Christians were perfect, it is a mistake to suggest that the the Muslims were poor hapless victims to evil Crusading Christians.

 

[Jumpem]

Originally posted by: torpid
Even people who haven't seen the movie yet choose to repeatedly state how bigotted they are against certain religions? I guess you are right, but that doesn't mean such statements are welcomed in any shape or form in the OT forum.

Stating my opinion about muslim's is perfectly fitting for a movie depicting them. Islamists killed thousands of Americans and want to destroy western culture. Why should I like them?

 

[Jumpem]

Originally posted by: Mo0o
Why do you have a low view of Islam

Because of islamists. They kill AMericans and want to destroy America and other non-muslim countries.

 

[Mo0o]

Originally posted by: Jumpem

Originally posted by: torpid
Even people who haven't seen the movie yet choose to repeatedly state how bigotted they are against certain religions? I guess you are right, but that doesn't mean such statements are welcomed in any shape or form in the OT forum.

Stating my opinion about muslim's is perfectly fitting for a movie depicting them. Islamists killed thousands of Americans and want to destroy western culture. Why should I like them?

What the hell is an islamist? You mean like an Islamic Fundamentalists? So in reality you hate fundamentalists and not normal american muslims?

 

[Attrox]

Originally posted by: Jumpem

Originally posted by: Buickbeast

Originally posted by: Jumpem
I'll wait for reviews. If it portrays Christianity in a bad light like Hollywood does I won't pay to see it. On the other hand, if it portrays muslims as the barbarians they are it should be awesome.

What, you don't want to hear the truth?

I'll admit I am not as informed on the history of the Crusades as I am with most topics. However, I have a very low view os Islam.

You are the type of person that gives us Christians bad names. I say your kind gives more negative feeling towards Christianity than a MOVIE like this.

During those era, a lot of kingdoms/nations used religion as an excuse to start a war. I for one don't mind this movie as long as they are historically correct. It's probably can be a good reminder for people to be more tolerant to each other.

And what's with your ignorant view, are you saying that if you watch this movie you'll lose your faith or something? Those priests that molest children are bad but that doesn't mean that Christianity or religion for that matter are bad (unless you are an atheist of course )

 

[torpid]

Originally posted by: Mo0o

Originally posted by: Jumpem

Originally posted by: torpid
Even people who haven't seen the movie yet choose to repeatedly state how bigotted they are against certain religions? I guess you are right, but that doesn't mean such statements are welcomed in any shape or form in the OT forum.

Stating my opinion about muslim's is perfectly fitting for a movie depicting them. Islamists killed thousands of Americans and want to destroy western culture. Why should I like them?

What the hell is an islamist? You mean like an Islamic Fundamentalists? So in reality you hate fundamentalists and not normal american muslims?

No he means basically (if you read between the lines) that he had a knee-jerk reaction to 9/11 like many other people and hates the whole muslim religion as a result. I'm glad I don't follow his twisted mentality otherwise I'd pretty much hate every religion. Certainly christians who committed outright genocide against native americans and jews. Nevermind that it was only a small group of christians doing each of those.

 

[Stark]

Originally posted by: Jumpem

Originally posted by: Mo0o
Why do you have a low view of Islam

Because of islamists. They kill AMericans and want to destroy America and other non-muslim countries.

sometimes it's better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid
than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.

you may want to do some study on the crusades before you automatically start on anti-islam rants.

 

[Stark]

Originally posted by: torpid

Originally posted by: Mo0o

Originally posted by: Jumpem

Originally posted by: torpid
Even people who haven't seen the movie yet choose to repeatedly state how bigotted they are against certain religions? I guess you are right, but that doesn't mean such statements are welcomed in any shape or form in the OT forum.

Stating my opinion about muslim's is perfectly fitting for a movie depicting them. Islamists killed thousands of Americans and want to destroy western culture. Why should I like them?

What the hell is an islamist? You mean like an Islamic Fundamentalists? So in reality you hate fundamentalists and not normal american muslims?

No he means basically (if you read between the lines) that he had a knee-jerk reaction to 9/11 like many other people and hates the whole muslim religion as a result. I'm glad I don't follow his twisted mentality otherwise I'd pretty much hate every religion. Certainly christians who committed outright genocide against native americans and jews. Nevermind that it was only a small group of christians doing each of those.

and to think that Jesus never preached hatred a day in his life...

 

[Stark]

i'm guessing the movie is about the Battle of Hattin where Saladin (in response to Reynald of Chatillon's attacks on Muslim pilgrims and threats against Mecca and Medina) attacked Jerusalem and kicked the crusader army's @ss.

A movie about Saladin vs. Richard I (the Lionheart of Robin Hood fame) would be awesome too.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: AMDZen

Originally posted by: Buickbeast

Originally posted by: Jumpem
I'll wait for reviews. If it portrays Christianity in a bad light like Hollywood does I won't pay to see it. On the other hand, if it portrays muslims as the barbarians they are it should be awesome.

What, you don't want to hear the truth?

Exactly what I was thinking. The Christians we're downright wrong in what they did spreading their "religion" during the crusades. That cannot be argued. As long as it portrays the truth, that is what's important. But then again, your obviously not concerned with truth. Typical Christian attitude. "We can do no wrong."

The Crusades were about money, land, power, and trade. Nothing about religion, except that the warring factions were divided upon religious lines for the same reason they were divided along political lines.
The Christians were no more "spreading their religion" than the Muslims were. They were vying for control of strategic locations along the Asian trade routes and for landed titles.

Yay for ignorance! :roll:


edit: and I think it's amazing that idiots can think the Islam jihads of the preceding centuries, when the Muslims were killing thousands upon thousands of people for the sole purpose of spreading their religion, were perfectly okay, but OMG how dare Christianity even pretend to do the same! :roll: again

 

[Stark]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: AMDZen

Originally posted by: Buickbeast

Originally posted by: Jumpem
I'll wait for reviews. If it portrays Christianity in a bad light like Hollywood does I won't pay to see it. On the other hand, if it portrays muslims as the barbarians they are it should be awesome.

What, you don't want to hear the truth?

Exactly what I was thinking. The Christians we're downright wrong in what they did spreading their "religion" during the crusades. That cannot be argued. As long as it portrays the truth, that is what's important. But then again, your obviously not concerned with truth. Typical Christian attitude. "We can do no wrong."

The Crusades were about money, land, power, and trade. Nothing about religion, except that the warring factions were divided upon religious lines for the same reason they were divided along political lines.
The Christians were no more "spreading their religion" than the Muslims were. They were vying for control of strategic locations along the Asian trade routes and for landed titles.

Yay for ignorance! :roll:


edit: and I think it's amazing that idiots can think the Islam jihads of the preceding centuries, when the Muslims were killing thousands upon thousands of people for the sole purpose of spreading their religion, were perfectly okay, but OMG how dare Christianity even pretend to do the same! :roll: again

but mohammed preached conversion and conquest by the sword... Jesus didn't. of course, it wasn't too hard for the church to convince the un-educated masses to go along with it and pay their "Saladin tax" when it controlled scripture and twisted it to suit its needs.

islam is not a "good guy" religion, but christians shouldn't use that fact to re-invent or take pride in the crusades.

The single greatest cause of atheism in the world today is Christians, who acknowledge Jesus with their lips, then walk out the door, and deny Him by their lifestyle. That is what an unbelieving world simply finds unbelievable.

Brennan Manning

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: dderidex
The Passion sparked cultural debate?

Thought he was just a bunch of right-wingers going "there's ma' Jebus! Let's show this in the schools!" vs a bunch of left-winger who say "Interesting fiction piece. DIAF." and 90% of the country didn't care.

you do realize in the US over 30% saw this movie? It alone will probably net Mel Gibson more than any director.

There is a lot of debate how 'Mel' could show Jesus so brutally beaten. The freaking fact is and the way it's written is Jesus underwent the most torture known to man EVER.

I saw Casino, that was pretty bad. To up that takes a lot.

There is a huge following of 'Christians' that wants Gibson stoned for showing what he did.

Personally I see the non-Christian nations rising up majorly (a la 9/1/2001) very soon. I don't know if what is fact and fiction...I am not at liberty to have this info, but I have researched this stuff a lot and I know it's really a 'WORLD' economy and no one wants to lose cash, this has been going on 4 figures of years. The rich always get richer, it's not a problem to me...it's reality. I keep getting richer. Put that on a legacy and keep watching it grow....most people are really just happy to skate through life, not change anything.

Not to turn this into another tin foil beanie thread...I was born Roman Catholic. I can't agree with the church and the inquisition. I can't agree with priests and pastors spouting off on the bible without chronicling the history at the time. So many I have met can recite each verse, but you tell them two separate verses actually contradict each other and history....their response is 'you don't know Jesus/God'.

To me I read everything. I see too many parallels in most of religion.

All that said, I am merely along for the ride, even if I could prove things it wouldn't matter....

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Stark
but mohammed preached conversion and conquest by the sword... Jesus didn't. of course, it wasn't too hard for the church to convince the un-educated masses to go along with it and pay their "Saladin tax" when it controlled scripture and twisted it to suit its needs.

islam is not a "good guy" religion, but christians shouldn't use that fact to re-invent or take pride in the crusades.

The single greatest cause of atheism in the world today is Christians, who acknowledge Jesus with their lips, then walk out the door, and deny Him by their lifestyle. That is what an unbelieving world simply finds unbelievable.

Brennan Manning

I won't disagree with this but, once again, the Crusades were not about religion for the Christian forces. It was all about the money. This is historical fact.

And yeah, I knock those hypocritical Christians all the time, and dislike them tremendously. Having read the teachings of Jesus, I know very well what He would think of them (and it wouldn't be good). But that doesn't mean I'd throw the baby out with the bathwater and condemn His teachings as well simply because some of those who claim to follow Him actually don't.
And it's not "an unbelieving world". More than 90% of the world is not atheist.