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king of da 90s kurt blobrains v trent reznor

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Originally posted by: schneiderguy
Originally posted by: cheezy321
Originally posted by: buck
Originally posted by: FetusCakeMix
Neither of them, IMO. Kurt Kobain/Nirvana was virtually talentless. And I can't think of any work by NIN/Reznor that I can say I honestly like, and would listen to on a regular basis.

Also depends on the genre of music, as well. I don't dig grunge or..whatever it is Reznor does, so I don't find them very influential at all.

At The Gates however....

Sounds like every other fucking band at Ozzfest?

LOL at him. People think all grunge music sounded the same? Then they havent heard metal before.

Yes, because this sounds the same as this which sounds the same as this which sounds the same as this which sounds the same as this. I honestly can't tell the difference.

Yep. it all sounds the same.

So have I reached your level of ignorance yet?

Do you even understand the point I am trying to make?
 
Originally posted by: cheezy321
Originally posted by: schneiderguy
Originally posted by: cheezy321
Originally posted by: buck
Originally posted by: FetusCakeMix
Neither of them, IMO. Kurt Kobain/Nirvana was virtually talentless. And I can't think of any work by NIN/Reznor that I can say I honestly like, and would listen to on a regular basis.

Also depends on the genre of music, as well. I don't dig grunge or..whatever it is Reznor does, so I don't find them very influential at all.

At The Gates however....

Sounds like every other fucking band at Ozzfest?

LOL at him. People think all grunge music sounded the same? Then they havent heard metal before.

Yes, because this sounds the same as this which sounds the same as this which sounds the same as this which sounds the same as this. I honestly can't tell the difference.

Yep. it all sounds the same.

So have I reached your level of ignorance yet?

Do you even understand the point I am trying to make?

What are you talking about. I agree with you. Those songs might as well have all come from the same band.
 
Originally posted by: schneiderguy
Originally posted by: cheezy321
Originally posted by: schneiderguy
Originally posted by: cheezy321
Originally posted by: buck
Originally posted by: FetusCakeMix
Neither of them, IMO. Kurt Kobain/Nirvana was virtually talentless. And I can't think of any work by NIN/Reznor that I can say I honestly like, and would listen to on a regular basis.

Also depends on the genre of music, as well. I don't dig grunge or..whatever it is Reznor does, so I don't find them very influential at all.

At The Gates however....

Sounds like every other fucking band at Ozzfest?

LOL at him. People think all grunge music sounded the same? Then they havent heard metal before.

Yes, because this sounds the same as this which sounds the same as this which sounds the same as this which sounds the same as this. I honestly can't tell the difference.

Yep. it all sounds the same.

So have I reached your level of ignorance yet?

Do you even understand the point I am trying to make?

What are you talking about. I agree with you. Those songs might as well have all come from the same band.

I didnt listen to any of them 😱 . I just get so tired of people trying to tell others the music they listen to is crap. Then they go and say that their music is far superior.

Guess what? Superiority is an opinion, especially when it comes to music. So shut your mouth and discuss music with people who have the same taste. Its that simple.
 
I'm sorry, I don't speak lolcat so I'm not sure how to answer this in a way you can understand, OP. Can someone translate for me if I post my answer in plain English so that space cadet can follow my answer?
 
Its hard to say. Nirvana was more popular. Nin was more 'musical'. You had more Nirvana clones because it was easy to do. There were a number of attempts at somewhat cloning NiN but it just didn't work well at all.
 
I think Nirvana, with the help of other seattle bands, inspired a lot of bands in a short period of time, but NIN is the more influential over the long haul. Their music goes back to the late 80's and is still going strong today. They also influenced a bigger range of artist and music syles. Everyone from Tori Amos to Marilyn Manson.
 
Originally posted by: schneiderguy
Originally posted by: Ns1
Originally posted by: schneiderguy
They're both pathetic.

Nice, 2 people who practically invented their respective subgenre's and that's all you got.

It doesn't matter if they invented their subgenres because their subgenres are crap. It's like calling whoever invented the modern pop-emo genre a genius just because they invented something. It doesn't matter if you're an inventor if what you invent isn't any good.

*waits for all of the NIN fans to come flame me*

You're wrong, and that's pretty much the end of it.

"There is a point when a personal opinion shades off into an error of fact"

You're an idiot, a troll, or some degree of both.
 
Originally posted by: buck
Originally posted by: JohnCU
Originally posted by: Gibsons

disagree.

/shrug

ehh /shrug back, i don't really give 2 shits. listen to whatever you like :sun:

/thread

What music do you like?

anything that sounds good, minus rap and country.

my mp3 player has everything from miles davis to opeth.
 
For what it's worth, Rolling Stone Magazine's top 500 albums of all time list has Nirvana's Nevermind listed at #17 (In Utero #4xx) while NIN's Downward Spiral only appears at #200.

I grew up during that era and was a big fan of both. Now I listen to Nirvana more than NIN, but I have a lot of great memories associated with Pretty Hate Machine.

/old
 
Originally posted by: Gibsons
Originally posted by: schneiderguy
Originally posted by: Ns1
Originally posted by: schneiderguy
They're both pathetic.

Nice, 2 people who practically invented their respective subgenre's and that's all you got.

It doesn't matter if they invented their subgenres because their subgenres are crap. It's like calling whoever invented the modern pop-emo genre a genius just because they invented something. It doesn't matter if you're an inventor if what you invent isn't any good.

*waits for all of the NIN fans to come flame me*

I'm huge Nirvana fan, but I don't think they invented a genre at all. They were a punk band. If anyone invented punk it's the Ramones and maybe a few others.

uhh...ever hear of the Stooges? how about The Sex Pistols?
 
Originally posted by: cherrytwist
Originally posted by: Gibsons
Originally posted by: schneiderguy
Originally posted by: Ns1
Originally posted by: schneiderguy
They're both pathetic.

Nice, 2 people who practically invented their respective subgenre's and that's all you got.

It doesn't matter if they invented their subgenres because their subgenres are crap. It's like calling whoever invented the modern pop-emo genre a genius just because they invented something. It doesn't matter if you're an inventor if what you invent isn't any good.

*waits for all of the NIN fans to come flame me*

I'm huge Nirvana fan, but I don't think they invented a genre at all. They were a punk band. If anyone invented punk it's the Ramones and maybe a few others.

uhh...ever hear of the Stooges? how about The Sex Pistols?
You left out the MC5. Sorry, I didn't have time to type out an essay on the origins of punk rock.
 
Smells like Teen Spirit was the number 1 song in the world at it's peak.

Has NIN ever accomplished that?

 
Originally posted by: lokiju
Smells like Teen Spirit was the number 1 song in the world at it's peak.

Has NIN ever accomplished that?

popular does not equal good. look at britney spears for example.
 
Nirvana was the poster child for a cultural and musical shift. They lead the charge that trampled down the glam and hair bands of the 80's. They were also a much more radio friendly band with almost every song off of Nevermind getting significant playtime even nearly 20 years later.

About the only song you hear from NIN on the radio is Closer.

While NIN may be still producing albums and touring (at least in Europe), Nirvana clearly has more "lasting power" when it comes to radio time.
 
Originally posted by: JohnCU
Originally posted by: lokiju
Smells like Teen Spirit was the number 1 song in the world at it's peak.

Has NIN ever accomplished that?

popular does not equal good. look at britney spears for example.

Of course it does.

Otherwise it wouldn't be popular.

Britney Spears sucks to 20 something males but to her fan base she is good.

Just because I don't like something doesn't mean it's not considered "good" to the masses.
 
Originally posted by: RadiclDreamer
Cobain made the whole grunge scene popular worldwide, he brought the flannel shirt/ripped pants etc style to the masses. Trent has done what exactly? Created a generation of emo punks?

You couldn't be more off-base.
 
Originally posted by: lokiju
Originally posted by: JohnCU
Originally posted by: lokiju
Smells like Teen Spirit was the number 1 song in the world at it's peak.

Has NIN ever accomplished that?

popular does not equal good. look at britney spears for example.

Of course it does.

Otherwise it wouldn't be popular.

Britney Spears sucks to 20 something males but to her fan base she is good.

Just because I don't like something doesn't mean it's not considered "good" to the masses.

are you just trolling or what? have you heard a lot of the popular rap songs nowadays? are they good? what about nickelback?
 
There's no doubt or argument that Trent is more talented that Cobain. Grohl is an OK drummer, only great if you aren't aware of what else is out there. I'm not saying Grohl is a talentless hack, but I'm sure there are half a dozen drummers in my town of 50,000 that could school him.

Cobain wasn't that talented. He wrote some good songs, and played a ROLE that quite a few young adults could relate to. That role came out in the songs he wrote, which is why they were so popular.

As stated before, the reason there were so many nirvana clones is because it is easy to do. Alot of kids were playing nirvana as their first songs. A lot of hack garage bands played nirvana because it was easy and fun.

So here lies the big question. More influential.... at what? More influential to entice kids to play music, probably.

Who is more talented is for another thread, and that's clearly Trent.
 
I hate the "it's easy to play" argument. Playing it isn't the hard part. Creating it is.

 
I LOVED pretty hate machine - continues to be one of my favorite albums. But Nirvana killed hairmetal, made irony hip, and change popular culture. They had a huge impact. Others were making grunge, but they made it commercially viable
 
Since the topic is "king of the 90s" I would have to go with Nirvana, no questions asked. I love NIN too, but they didn't peak until The Fragile, which was released near the end of 1999, far too late to be influential in the 90s.

That said, I listen to NIN a lot more than I listen to Nirvana.
 
Also, NIN is very geek friendly.. Like Tool.. They were once pretty big but now are more nichey, geeks and for some reason meat heads like them... If any of my friends heard NIN on a mix cd they'd say "Still listening to NIN - what is it, 1992 all over again? Wanna borrow some mascara and cry in the corner?" While Nirvana is pretty timeless.

In the end, I'd say Pearl Jam was the most influential band of that era, but Nirvana made rock edgy, cool, and fashionable again
 
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