King Obama to rule again: Imigration

[Vic]

So you are saying you don't understand the meaning of the word arbitrary

Sorry if I ignored your made up definition.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/arbitrary

arbitrary[ ahr-bi-trer-ee ]
adjective
1. subject to individual will or judgment without restriction; contingent solely upon one's discretion: an arbitrary decision.
2. decided by a judge or arbiter rather than by a law or statute.
3. having unlimited power; uncontrolled or unrestricted by law; despotic; tyrannical: an arbitrary government.

 

[xBiffx]

Sorry if I ignored your made up definition.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/arbitrary

arbitrary[ ahr-bi-trer-ee ]
adjective
1. subject to individual will or judgment without restriction; contingent solely upon one's discretion: an arbitrary decision.
2. decided by a judge or arbiter rather than by a law or statute.
3. having unlimited power; uncontrolled or unrestricted by law; despotic; tyrannical: an arbitrary government.

Which part is about the border again? Oh right, the part about being uncontrolled and unrestricted. Isn't this thread about changes to that?

 

[Vic]

So can we move our northern border north 100 miles without anyone else's consent?

The US and Canada do not require anyone else's consent to move their mutual border.

 

[nehalem256]

Sorry if I ignored your made up definition.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/arbitrary

arbitrary[ ahr-bi-trer-ee ]
adjective
1. subject to individual will or judgment without restriction; contingent solely upon one's discretion: an arbitrary decision.
2. decided by a judge or arbiter rather than by a law or statute.
3. having unlimited power; uncontrolled or unrestricted by law; despotic; tyrannical: an arbitrary government.

From your own link:

. founded on or subject to personal whims, prejudices, etc; capricious

Nor did I pull my definition out of my own ass.

Google "arbitrary".

 

[nehalem256]

The US and Canada do not require anyone else's consent to move their mutual border.

From your own quote:

1. subject to individual will or judgment without restriction; contingent solely upon one's discretion: an arbitrary decision.

Do I need to explain how the US and Canada are separate from one another?

 

[Vic]

Illegals crossing the southern border aren't "primary beneficiaries" of tax payer money? Of welfare?

Immigrants are either a source of cheap labor or a drain on the welfare state. Pick one.

 

[TerryMathews]

The US and Canada do not require anyone else's consent to move their mutual border.

Again, I can't dispute this level of stupid.

 

[nehalem256]

Immigrants are either a source of cheap labor or a drain on the welfare state. Pick one.

So do you think that worker paid high or low wages are more likely to receive welfare, food stamps, medicaid, etc?:hmm:

 

[BoberFett]

Quite the opposite, a welfare state requires immigration. Somebody has to do the work. Your mistake is assuming that the immigrants are the primary beneficiaries of said welfare state. Not even close.

You're right, somebody has to do the work. Seems like we have plenty of Americans doing nothing. How about them?

 

[BoberFett]

No, I'd prefer less sucking on the government teat. Then we could use immigration to get wealthier, like we did in the past, instead of just trying to maintain the status quo.

You're also missing the point that economies have changed over the past couple hundred years.

In the past, wealth was built through labor. More people farming, more people working in factories. The more people who worked, the more wealth was created.

We're now seeing massive portions of our "wealth" (assuming we consider it to be actual wealth) being created by ideas rather than labor. Where the doubling of widget output once required double the bodies, we now push a button and there is instantly a new widget. Whether it's intellectual property or increasingly automated production, the idea that we create wealth by adding bodies is becoming less true all the time.

 

[BoberFett]

The US and Canada do not require anyone else's consent to move their mutual border.

You're changing the argument.

Under current immigration laws, the US does NOT consent to unfettered immigration.

 

[BoberFett]

Immigrants are either a source of cheap labor or a drain on the welfare state. Pick one.

Why? They can be both.

 

[Zaap]

Vic never has a clue what any of these discussions are even about. He just likes to argue and throw out bullshit in the random hope it'll sound good.

 

[BoberFett]

Vic never has a clue what any of these discussions are even about. He just likes to argue and throw out bullshit in the random hope it'll sound good.

I respect Vic's opinion quite a bit. I disagree with him here, but your slurs against him are off base.

 

[squarecut1]

Immigrants (both legal and illegal) in general are hard working people. They don't have the entitlement attitude prevalent in the local population. Certainly a productive group of people, far more than certain sections of the local population, born and bred here. I am inclined to believe they put in a lot more in the economy in terms of spending and taxes than they receive benefits (illegals I am sure can't receive any benefits, but yes, their children can)

That still does not justify illegal immigration though.

 

[BoberFett]

Immigrants (both legal and illegal) in general are hard working people. They don't have the entitlement attitude prevalent in the local population. Certainly a productive group of people, far more than certain sections of the local population, born and bred here. I am inclined to believe they put in a lot more in the economy in terms of spending and taxes than they receive benefits (illegals I am sure can't receive any benefits, but yes, their children can)

That still does not justify illegal immigration though.

$10k+ per year per child for education is fairly valuable benefit for someone earning less than minimum wage, especially when we're already providing the education for some unemployed citizens children. Is there a benefit to having educated people? Yep. But we're providing double benefits, benefits for the non-working American moocher and benefits for the person who is migrating here and doing the work that the moocher should be doing. An illegal immigrant picking crops for $10k/yr, while sending their three children to public school, and while there is also an inner-city single mother not working, collecting housing, food, and other benefits, and then we're educating her three children as well? That's a $100K+/yr crop picker. Unsustainable.

 

[Jay5]

when you refuse to deal, you have to go over their heads.

btw obama has written less executive orders than his predecessor.

also this article puts a different spin on it.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/01/u...ction-to-bolster-border-enforcement.html?_r=0

no one cares about your opinion anyway,dumb canadian

nice link to,considering how liberal new york is

 

[Jay5]

also if people did something worth a damn to stop obama maybe he would stop acting like hes the king of the country.blaming bush really isnt making anything better

 

[Svnla]

ABC Tonight News just did a story about ILLEGAL immigrants.

LESS THAN 40% of the ILLEGALS that were released in the US after they promised to show up in courts in later dates did so as promised.

LESS THAN 40% folks!!!!! They were no where to be found, not in courts, not in the housings that they said they would be in, nothing, nada, zip. You expect them lawbreakers to follow the law and show up in court?

And some of you Americans are still making excuses for them ILLEGALS. How stupid can you be.

 

[michal1980]

Immigrants (both legal and illegal) in general are hard working people. They don't have the entitlement attitude prevalent in the local population. Certainly a productive group of people, far more than certain sections of the local population, born and bred here. I am inclined to believe they put in a lot more in the economy in terms of spending and taxes than they receive benefits (illegals I am sure can't receive any benefits, but yes, their children can)

That still does not justify illegal immigration though.

yes all those hyper productive mothers with 3 kids coming across the boarders sure are going to be paying there fair share.

Our schools are already short money according to the left, so why do they want to expand the number of kids to teach?

Plus plenty of them send all the money they earn back home. So much for helping the local economy.

This romanticizing of illegal immigrants needs to stop.

 

[squarecut1]

yes all those hyper productive mothers with 3 kids coming across the boarders sure are going to be paying there fair share.

Our schools are already short money according to the left, so why do they want to expand the number of kids to teach?

Plus plenty of them send all the money they earn back home. So much for helping the local economy.

This romanticizing of illegal immigrants needs to stop.

I'm just comparing. How many locals, especially of a certain section of the society, you see cutting grass all day under 95 F heat and high humidity, that too for low wages. To provide for their family.

As a human being, you have to respect that. That does not mean you support illegal immigration

 

[fskimospy]

Again, I can't dispute this level of stupid.

What non-arbitrary source do you attribute borders to?

 

[TerryMathews]

What non-arbitrary source do you attribute borders to?

Geography. Diplomacy. Military action.

 

[shortylickens]

Immigrants (both legal and illegal) in general are hard working people. They don't have the entitlement attitude prevalent in the local population. Certainly a productive group of people, far more than certain sections of the local population, born and bred here. I am inclined to believe they put in a lot more in the economy in terms of spending and taxes than they receive benefits (illegals I am sure can't receive any benefits, but yes, their children can)

Again, based on that logic we should keep illegals, make them citizens, and boot out the americans who do nothing but collect welfare.

 

[squarecut1]

Again, based on that logic we should keep illegals, make them citizens, and boot out the americans who do nothing but collect welfare.

I'm absolutely fine with that