King Obama to rule again: Imigration

[BoberFett]

Obama is president and congress our servant.
Obviously, congress believe they work for no one.
Stuff needs to be addressed and stuff needs to get done.
I not only hope Obama does whatever he feels necessary, i hope it really pisses off congress.
In the end it just makes congress appear to be totally worthless. Which they now are.
If republicans in congress want to cut and put the brakes on government, quit their job.
Resign. Go away. Bye bye.
That is the most efficient way they can cut government and save taxpayers money.
Just go home mr republican official. Do the country a favor.

I'm genuinely curious, what's wrong with you? Can you post a picture of yourself? Maybe tell us more about the accident, or whatever caused you to be this way?

 

[BoberFett]

There's no real need for extreme fences and all the other distractions. Its amazing how well the politicians play people and get them to believe what every other country in the world does is impossible in ours.

Simply ENFORCE the immigration laws. Not even against illegals primarily, but against businesses. Go back to extreme fines at best, forfeited assets and jail sentences and at worst for businesses that hire illegal workers. No other bullshit is needed. Cheaters of the system actually need to always have more to lose by getting caught cheating, than they gain by getting away with it.

Of course some will still cheat, but the overwhelming majority of businesses wouldn't go near illegal workers if getting caught meant serious shit hitting the fan. On the flipside, no govt freebies for illegals that are only for citizens. Legalize MJ and dry up a big part of the southern drug trade as well. Once the economic lures are gone, there's no need for any fences. Only a.manageable amount of people will bother trying.

As it is, our own govt basically hangs out "come up to the US!" signs all over Central America and then does a wink and a nod with corrupt employers.

Its funny how Dims and the usual class-envy suckers normally want to stick it to business any way they can, but they've swallowed so much horseshit from their puppetmasters who want their hordes of slaves brought in, they actually hand corrupt businesses a perfect out of skirting labor laws and shafting US workers royally.

Economic illiterates carry water for cheating businesses whining about "labor shortages" (translation: you can't be replaced at a minute's notice by a trained monkey... you're actually worth more...oh noes!) and "Jobs Americans won't do!" (Translation: entire industries that used to pay citizens enough to live well now turned into shit jobs ONLY illegals will do for nothing... cheered on by morons slitting their own throats.)

So of course.. every nation on earth has high fences around it rather than immigrarion laws that protect their own citizens over any refuse that just wanders in.

Fact.

 

[Angry Irishman]

Why shouldn't he act. Has congress done anything on this issues? Nope! Nothing, zero! The Republicans are too busy with past issues. We need a decisive leader now!

That's not leading. In fact, it's just the opposite.

 

[Zebo]

Simply ENFORCE the immigration laws. Not even against illegals primarily, but against businesses. Go back to extreme fines at best, forfeited assets and jail sentences and at worst for businesses that hire illegal workers

Easier said than done and laws are NOT suffcent. Even when i9 kicks back a "not authorized to work" in my state they have 3 months to complete investigation and remain employed while investigation is completed. And my state has a robust e-verify system. Other states have none and takes 3 months to even get i9 back. Illegals just hope job to job every 3-6 mo. Employer is not liable unless he didnt submit i9 or ignored investigation results.

Second you have whole underground economy. The day laborers at home depot, the housekeepers, the body shop paying under the table.

Fences we know work looking at Israel or Saudi. And will create jobs.

 

[BoberFett]

Well when Democrats can invent a system for instantaneous, accurate eligibility checks, gun owners might be more willing to listen to their plan for background checks.

Morons think we need more background checks for firearms sales, but they can't even figure out who is allowed to work here. That's chutzpah right here.

 

[werepossum]

I'm just going to leave this here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_federal_executive_orders

Um, it's a bit more complicated than simply numbers. If one President writes three hundred executive orders with little to no lasting effect and a second writes one hundred executive orders which fundamentally alter the nature of the nation, obviously the second has had far more un-Constitutional effect on us. Obama is fundamentally destroying this nation as it is historically constituted. One may find that a good thing, if one believes this nation is fundamentally evil and flawed or even if one simply finds Obama's vision far superior to that of the Founding Fathers. But either way it's blatantly happening.

The President lied to the American people today.

He explained how due to the current crisis, the wave of illegals pouring over, that Republicans won't get on board with Amnesty. He described it as if opponents were refusing to "fix" a broken system simply because it's broken. As if it is ridiculous to cite its brokenness as a reason not to fix it.

Let's make this clear. The border is open. THAT is what is broken, and Amnesty is not going to fix that. Amnesty has burned us before, promises to close the border are hollow. We want RESULTS. Seal the border, THEN we'll discuss the illegals.

Depends on one's perspective. From that of Pelosi and Obama, America is already fundamentally broken, and bringing in millions of illegals who depend on government assistance, understand the proper role of government (hammer) and subjects (nails), and will reliably vote Democrat eternally is unbreaking it.

For all their rhetoric, judging by their actions the GOP leadership's viewpoint differs only in preventing them from voting.

 

[Zebo]

Laws are for public consumption so they can say "see were doing something about it" but I'm telling you man both sides do not want to stop open borders so they are weak as hell. Even manning the borders is weak. All on purpose.

 

[TheSiege]

Can someone give a clean concise example of an EO that Obama has issued that has been an abuse of power?

 

[squarecut1]

Illegal immigration is not a Democrat vs Republican issue. Both parties benefit from it, all the posturing aside

 

[JEDIYoda]

Absolutely not. If Congress makes a decision, within their constitutional authority, not to pass a certain law, Obama should not act like a dictator an do it anyway.

problem is congress has fought OBama since day one......you lose!!

 

[Angry Irishman]

problem is congress has fought OBama since day one......you lose!!

We all lose....just crown him since you seem so inclined to surrender separation of powers for one mediocre president.

 

[OutHouse]

when you refuse to deal, you have to go over their heads.

that is not how our government is suppose to work.

 

[squarecut1]

For all their rhetoric, judging by their actions the GOP leadership's viewpoint differs only in preventing them from voting.

Of course. Cheap labor for the rich to make money for them. The current situation is ideal for the GOP. As long as they don't get the vote.

All the rhetoric from the GOP on illegal immigration is for the consumption of the angry white male. An age old tactic of politics. Please them with your words but do what is best for your pay masters

 

[MooseNSquirrel]

Hey Republicans, how is that guest worker program idea coming along?

 

[BoberFett]

Hey Republicans, how is that guest worker program idea coming along?

Guest workers, huh. So there are just too many jobs and not enough Americans to do them huh? Unemployment is at 0%?

 

[nixium]

initially I wasn't supportive of this, because this would just be a giveaway to illegals, but if he actually does an admin fix that eases some of the problems with legal immigration, I would be more in favor, simply because the GOP has failed to advance any legislation whatsoever. This do-nothingism can't be tolerated. If anything, maybe this will actually motivate them to take action instead of just blathering and noisemaking.

 

[sportage]

Republicans in congress want to do nothing because they have this illusion doing nothing is the same as doing something. But face it, republicans rather demoralize immigrants and let them keep coming and keep coming so that they can blame Obama.
But no matter. I suspect we can fix this come November.
Republicans have the illusion people are not paying attention and they can slide by. November will change that.

 

[Zebo]

I honestly haunt followed all the legislation that's come and gone that well...so much of it to keep track of... but seems to me democrats would never allow a fence. Repubs will not allow amnesty witout fence. Seems both are equally culpable of inaction.

 

[Orignal Earl]

I honestly haunt followed all the legislation that's come and gone that well...so much of it to keep track of... but seems to me democrats would never allow a fence. Repubs will not allow amnesty witout fence. Seems both are equally culpable of inaction.

Can you describe the type of fence you want?

 

[Newell Steamer]

Obama is a wimp for not doing anything!!

Obama issues an executive order to do something.

WAAAAH!!! Obama is a bully!!

 

[Angry Irishman]

Obama is a wimp for not doing anything!!

Obama issues an executive order to do something.

WAAAAH!!! Obama is a bully!!

Yea it's seems he can never choose the correct path....what an extraordinary leader.

 

[squarecut1]

What would happen to the profits of the solidly pro Republican agriculture sector if there were not illegals to do slave labor for them? A sector that is already tax payer subsidized in the first place. But you'd not hear the Republicans complain about THAT welfare. No you won't.

It is not hard to see the two parties are the sides of the same coin. All their rhetoric and "issues" are just smoke screens.

 

[nehalem256]

I honestly haunt followed all the legislation that's come and gone that well...so much of it to keep track of... but seems to me democrats would never allow a fence. Repubs will not allow amnesty witout fence. Seems both are equally culpable of inaction.

Well except for the fact that the Republican position makes absolute sense. It is completely and totally retarded to grant amnesty without first making sure the border is secure.

But hey Obama's executive orders on immigration have been so successful that we now have a crisis of unaccompanied children crossing the border illegally.:thumbsup:

 

[hal2kilo]

Derp. Number doesn't matter. Character does. If Obama opened up the nuclear briefcase and launched on Russia that would only be one executive order but kill everyone on earth. I think thats worse than all previous president executive orders combined...don't you?

Oh man, yer right. I give up after that massive FALSE EQUIVALENCY BOMB you just dropped.

 

[chowderhead]

Obama wants to move more agents to the southern border and speed up deportation of illegal alien children without going through more hearings (which is currently the law). OMIGOD! Whatever he does, Republicans have decided to oppose.

http://news.yahoo.com/obama-seeks-power-return-immigrant-children-152336373--politics.html