Kinda Saddening. Poor Dolphins

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: Ronstang

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: Excelsior

Originally posted by: madeupfacts
wtf r wrong with teh japanese?

Too bad them raping sharks for their fins is far worse than this.

Fvkced up pieces of sh!t.

Not to generalize, but the Japanese do have quite a history of brutilizing sea-dwelling animals, at least in this century. I am not sure why though sicne I do not really know much about their culture except what I have learned in school.

They have a history of being brutal period. Look what that did to the Chinese civilians and US/British POWs during WWII. The only reason they are not brutal to humans these days is because we handed them their ass in WWII as they would not have been a merciful victor.

Agreed. From my vantage point I have seen Imperialism lead to arrogance, but sadly, I don't know very much of their history, so I can't defend it.

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: aidanjm
"Humane issues aside, human consumption of dolphins is a bad idea. Recent scientific studies have shown that dolphin meat is seriously contaminated with PCBs, heavy metals, and other toxins. Dolphin meat exceeds contaminant levels set for human consumption by many governments."

http://www.hsus.org/marine_mammals/what_are_the_issues/drive_fisheries.html

Even in death, they fight!

 

[SmoochyTX]

If some animal was thinking of chowing down on me or parting me up for sale, yeah I would love to be put out quickly. But let's be real - it doesn't always work that way.

Either way, I would be dead. It doesn't matter if it took a minute or 5 seconds. Dead is dead.

And dead will eventually happen to all of us anyway.

 

[CKDragon]

I think I've only seen dolphin meat on a menu once or twice... I'm trying to think of where it's served around here. Oh well, glad I didn't eat it...

 

[aidanjm]

Originally posted by: SmoochyTX
Either way, I would be dead. It doesn't matter if it took a minute or 5 seconds. Dead is dead.

Anyone who isn't a sadistic sociopath would agree that subjecting a feeling animal (whether human or dolphin) to extended, prolonged suffering is not a good thing.

 

[SmoochyTX]

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: SmoochyTX
Either way, I would be dead. It doesn't matter if it took a minute or 5 seconds. Dead is dead.

Anyone who isn't a sadistic sociopath would agree that subjecting a feeling animal (whether human or dolphin) to extended, prolonged suffering is not a good thing.

I'm not a sadistic sociopath. I believe in humane killing. But s**t happens sometimes.

 

[alexjohnson16]

I usually am not bothered by stuff like this, but I had to turn this off.

 

[ForumMaster]

poor dolphins.

 

[aidanjm]

Originally posted by: SmoochyTX

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: SmoochyTX
Either way, I would be dead. It doesn't matter if it took a minute or 5 seconds. Dead is dead.

Anyone who isn't a sadistic sociopath would agree that subjecting a feeling animal (whether human or dolphin) to extended, prolonged suffering is not a good thing.

I'm not a sadistic sociopath. I believe in humane killing. But s**t happens sometimes.

The point of rules, laws, legislation, standards, etc. is to prevent "sh1t" from happening. Dolphin drives should be outlawed completely. People who engage in them should suffer heavy penalties. Those men in that film should have their boats, their fishing equipment, and possibly even their houses and cars confiscated from them. They should also serve jail time - say one to two years in a low-security facility.

 

[SmoochyTX]

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: SmoochyTX

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: SmoochyTX
Either way, I would be dead. It doesn't matter if it took a minute or 5 seconds. Dead is dead.

Anyone who isn't a sadistic sociopath would agree that subjecting a feeling animal (whether human or dolphin) to extended, prolonged suffering is not a good thing.

I'm not a sadistic sociopath. I believe in humane killing. But s**t happens sometimes.

The point of rules, laws, legislation, standards, etc. is to prevent "sh1t" from happening. Dolphin drives should be outlawed completely. People who engage in them should suffer heavy penalties. Those men in that film should have their boats, their fishing equipment, and possibly even their houses and cars confiscated from them. They should also serve jail time - say one to two years in a low-security facility.

It sounds like you're passionate enough about this subject. But ya know, just because there are laws in place doesn't mean that people will abide by them.

Are you one of those crazy effers that will kill other humans because they killed dolphins? Were you ever the probable subject of a Law & Order episode?

 

[Stumps]

Originally posted by: Ronstang

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: Excelsior

Originally posted by: madeupfacts
wtf r wrong with teh japanese?

Too bad them raping sharks for their fins is far worse than this.

Fvkced up pieces of sh!t.

Not to generalize, but the Japanese do have quite a history of brutilizing sea-dwelling animals, at least in this century. I am not sure why though sicne I do not really know much about their culture except what I have learned in school.

They have a history of being brutal period. Look what that did to the Chinese civilians and US/British/Australian POWs during WWII. The only reason they are not brutal to humans these days is because we handed them their ass in WWII as they would not have been a merciful victor.

fixed

 

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by: SmoochyTX
Gimme a break.

While the act is certainly not an attractive one, man is an animal. Animals kill each other other. What do you think would happen if animals DIDN'T kill each other?

Never mind. This is a bleeding heart forum. LOL

No, we just eat our domesticated animals (cows/pigs/chickens) instead of brutally killing wild, intelligent, marine mammals.

You fvckshit.

 

[SmoochyTX]

Originally posted by: Excelsior

Originally posted by: SmoochyTX
Gimme a break.

While the act is certainly not an attractive one, man is an animal. Animals kill each other other. What do you think would happen if animals DIDN'T kill each other?

Never mind. This is a bleeding heart forum. LOL

No, we just eat our domesticated animals (cows/pigs/chickens) instead of brutally killing wild, intelligent, marine mammals.

You fvckshit.

I never said life was nice. I also never said certain animals should be killed over others. But hell if you're willing to kill pigs and cows and chickens, why not other animals?

Would you prefer humans that ate only grass and beans? No killing on the planet? Not going to happen. I've also never known anybody that had a pet dolphin.

And would you eat a dolphin or a fellow human if you had to choose? I don't know about you but I'd be carving that dolphin up before it stopped moving.

 

[I Saw OJ]

I bet their dolphin meat is tuna safe!

 

[dighn]

Originally posted by: SmoochyTX
I never said life was nice. I also never said certain animals should be killed over others. But hell if you're willing to kill pigs and cows and chickens, why not other animals?

Would you prefer humans that ate only grass and beans? No killing on the planet? Not going to happen. I've also never known anybody that had a pet dolphin.

And would you eat a dolphin or a fellow human if you had to choose? I don't know about you but I'd be carving that dolphin up before it stopped moving.

we don't have to make that choice. nobody is starving if we don't kill a few dolphins or at least try to do it humanely. what does nobody having a pet dolphin have to do with anything? dolphins are demonstrated to be a highly intelligent species. doing that to something that can potentially comprehend the situation and suffer from it as much as a human would is wrong. god forbid we try to apply some ethics and compassion when possible.

 

[Stumps]

Originally posted by: I Saw OJ
I bet their dolphin meat is tuna safe!

LOL, I always ask for that when I'm in a supermarket "ummm excuse me, where's the tuna safe dolphin meat?"

 

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by: SmoochyTX

Originally posted by: Excelsior

Originally posted by: SmoochyTX
Gimme a break.

While the act is certainly not an attractive one, man is an animal. Animals kill each other other. What do you think would happen if animals DIDN'T kill each other?

Never mind. This is a bleeding heart forum. LOL

No, we just eat our domesticated animals (cows/pigs/chickens) instead of brutally killing wild, intelligent, marine mammals.

You fvckshit.

I never said life was nice. I also never said certain animals should be killed over others. But hell if you're willing to kill pigs and cows and chickens, why not other animals?

Would you prefer humans that ate only grass and beans? No killing on the planet? Not going to happen. I've also never known anybody that had a pet dolphin.

And would you eat a dolphin or a fellow human if you had to choose? I don't know about you but I'd be carving that dolphin up before it stopped moving.

And I never said that we should only eat grass and beans. Infact, if you had read the post you quoted, you would notice that I said "we just eat our domesticated animals". Of course I have no problem with the consumption of animals. :roll:

And where the fvck do you get off on proposing such a question? Like dighn said, "We don't have to make that choice." No one fvcking does.

I am sorry that you can't think past "Man kill animal, man eat animal."

 

[SmoochyTX]

Originally posted by: dighn

Originally posted by: SmoochyTX
I never said life was nice. I also never said certain animals should be killed over others. But hell if you're willing to kill pigs and cows and chickens, why not other animals?

Would you prefer humans that ate only grass and beans? No killing on the planet? Not going to happen. I've also never known anybody that had a pet dolphin.

And would you eat a dolphin or a fellow human if you had to choose? I don't know about you but I'd be carving that dolphin up before it stopped moving.

we don't have to make that choice. nobody is starving if we don't kill a few dolphins or at least try to do it humanely. what does nobody having a pet dolphin have to do with anything? dolphins are demonstrated to be a highly intelligent species. killing something that can potentially comprehend and suffer from the slaughter as much as a human would is wrong. god forbid we try to apply some ethics when possible.

Animals are animals. When did the reason for killing ever stop? Have you ever watched the news? Please try not to think so narrowly. Killing happens every day all around us. It doesn't matter if it's a dolphin, a deer, a pig, a tuna, or our neighbor. Killing is killing.

If you're going to argue that killing is wrong then that's fine. But you can't say that killing is wrong part of the time just because you see some dolphins flopping around. I never said it was pretty. But you should take a side and stand for it.

It doesn't matter how smart the animal is. If humans only killed humans would it still be OK?

 

[sundev]

They should be killing the dolphins a lot faster, like they do to cows and most other animals we eat for meat (yes I said "most", I know some are also treated brutally). It would also probably make the rest of the process (skinning or whatever they do) a lot more efficient. Seems stupid to do it the way they are doing it in the video.

Also, SmoochyTX, you are fantastic at missing the point.

 

[thespeakerbox]

Damn japanese!!!

 

[SmoochyTX]

Originally posted by: sundevb
They should be killing the dolphins a lot faster, like they do to cows and most other animals we eat for meat (yes I said "most", I know some are also treated brutally). It would also probably make the rest of the process (skinning or whatever they do) a lot more efficient. Seems stupid to do it the way they are doing it in the video.

Also, SmoochyTX, you are fantastic at missing the point.

Thank you! But I was trying to make a point which many seemed to have missed. I appreciate your guidance though.

 

[datalink7]

Originally posted by: SmoochyTX

Originally posted by: dighn

Originally posted by: SmoochyTX
I never said life was nice. I also never said certain animals should be killed over others. But hell if you're willing to kill pigs and cows and chickens, why not other animals?

Would you prefer humans that ate only grass and beans? No killing on the planet? Not going to happen. I've also never known anybody that had a pet dolphin.

And would you eat a dolphin or a fellow human if you had to choose? I don't know about you but I'd be carving that dolphin up before it stopped moving.

we don't have to make that choice. nobody is starving if we don't kill a few dolphins or at least try to do it humanely. what does nobody having a pet dolphin have to do with anything? dolphins are demonstrated to be a highly intelligent species. killing something that can potentially comprehend and suffer from the slaughter as much as a human would is wrong. god forbid we try to apply some ethics when possible.

Animals are animals. When did the reason for killing ever stop? Have you ever watched the news? Please try not to think so narrowly. Killing happens every day all around us. It doesn't matter if it's a dolphin, a deer, a pig, a tuna, or our neighbor. Killing is killing.

If you're going to argue that killing is wrong then that's fine. But you can't say that killing is wrong part of the time just because you see some dolphins flopping around. I never said it was pretty. But you should take a side and stand for it.

It doesn't matter how smart the animal is. If humans only killed humans would it still be OK?

Your "all killing is the same" argument works if you think simply. Any in depth philosophical questioning of ethics will find your statement inane. You are the one being narrow minded here by lumping all killing into one category.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: Kenazo

Originally posted by: Praxis1452
They do this to cows too... Slit the throats I think... However with the death convulsions and ****** ... that's nasty. I really should become vegetarian...

They most definately are not. There might be a few backwards hick meat shops that do this, but the majority of cows are dispatched with a bolt gun that fires a metal slug into their skull at high velocity.

I'm sure it doesn't deliver a fatal blow, but the cows and pigs are generally unconscious when their throats are cut. This is done to remove the blood from the carcas.

Either way, it's not for the faint of heart.

Slaughter. The desirability of stunning animals prior to slaughter was recognized in both Europe and the United States before the end of the nineteenth century. The practice became mandatory in the United States in 1960 with the passage of the Humane Slaughter Act. The Act requires that before being slaughtered, animals must be rendered unconscious by mechanical, electrical, or chemical means in order to cause the animal a minimum of excitement or discomfort. Captive-bolt pistols or pneumatic guns may be used on cattle. Pistols, electric shock, or anesthetization in a carbon dioxide chamber is allowed for sheep and pigs. Compressed-air stunners and gas chambers for smaller animals came into use after World War II. Exceptions to federal requirements are made for ritual slaughters that satisfy the requirements of a particular faith. In kosher inspection, for example, a member of the Jewish faith cuts the throat and bleeds the animal without first stunning it and then examines it for abnormalities before approving it for food use.

After stunning, cattle are suspended by one or both hindlegs, while the carotid arteries and jugular veins are cut. Hides are then removed by an automated process. A straight cut opens the center of the belly to remove the viscera. Next, the carcasses are split down the center of the backbone. Beef carcasses might then be shrouded, a procedure in which the carcasses are cooled for 24 hours after being tightly wrapped in muslin that has been soaked in warm water. The carcass fat is smooth and trim when the shroud is removed. Specialty meat items like the brains, kidneys, tail, tongue, and sweetbreads do not accompany the carcass but are an important income source for packers. The procedures for veal carcasses are similar, except that the hides are left on during chilling. Veal carcasses have very little fat and would shrink during chilling if the hides were removed.

In hog slaughter, the animals are bled after stunning by severing a large vein. The carcasses are then submerged in hot water to loosen the hair. After the removal of the hair, the carcass is eviscerated, split, and chilled.

source

well actually the jews and the muslims have rather sh*t ways of killing their animals. religiously required bullsh*t

 

[OS]

that makes me want to vomit

but is there realistically any way to apply pressure against this sort of thing

 

[sundev]

Originally posted by: SmoochyTX

Originally posted by: sundevb
They should be killing the dolphins a lot faster, like they do to cows and most other animals we eat for meat (yes I said "most", I know some are also treated brutally). It would also probably make the rest of the process (skinning or whatever they do) a lot more efficient. Seems stupid to do it the way they are doing it in the video.

Also, SmoochyTX, you are fantastic at missing the point.

Thank you! But I was trying to make a point which many seemed to have missed. I appreciate your guidance though.

No problem. You seemed confused.