Kinda Saddening. Poor Dolphins

[SmoochyTX]

Originally posted by: datalink7

Originally posted by: SmoochyTX

Originally posted by: dighn

Originally posted by: SmoochyTX
I never said life was nice. I also never said certain animals should be killed over others. But hell if you're willing to kill pigs and cows and chickens, why not other animals?

Would you prefer humans that ate only grass and beans? No killing on the planet? Not going to happen. I've also never known anybody that had a pet dolphin.

And would you eat a dolphin or a fellow human if you had to choose? I don't know about you but I'd be carving that dolphin up before it stopped moving.

we don't have to make that choice. nobody is starving if we don't kill a few dolphins or at least try to do it humanely. what does nobody having a pet dolphin have to do with anything? dolphins are demonstrated to be a highly intelligent species. killing something that can potentially comprehend and suffer from the slaughter as much as a human would is wrong. god forbid we try to apply some ethics when possible.

Animals are animals. When did the reason for killing ever stop? Have you ever watched the news? Please try not to think so narrowly. Killing happens every day all around us. It doesn't matter if it's a dolphin, a deer, a pig, a tuna, or our neighbor. Killing is killing.

If you're going to argue that killing is wrong then that's fine. But you can't say that killing is wrong part of the time just because you see some dolphins flopping around. I never said it was pretty. But you should take a side and stand for it.

It doesn't matter how smart the animal is. If humans only killed humans would it still be OK?

Your "all killing is the same" argument works if you think simply. Any in depth philosophical questioning of ethics will find your statement inane. You are the one being narrow minded here by lumping all killing into one category.

But aren't humans animals? Cows are animals. Pigs are animals. Dolphins are animals.

I've never said in any of my comments that suffering was perfectly fine. I even said that if I was on the chopping block I would wish that it happened quickly. I am completely behind humane killing.

The point I'm trying to make is that we're all animals. Some animals are smarter than others but we're all animals nonetheless. There's also no way that all animals can survive on this planet. Some species will be eliminated. Maybe all someday. Then this entire thread will be a stupid moot point.

A dolphin flopping around on a dock bleeding to death after having been stabbed, while disturbing, isn't going to change me one iota. If it was a fellow human it might. But hell, enough humans kill each other every day that it's kinda of hypocritical for others to fixate on dolphin-killing when there's enough human-killing going on.

As far as the killing of domesticated animals, you can find any of the PETA freaks everywhere you turn your head to tell you about the destruction of these poor animals. There are always going to be people out there with their own agenda that want to eat bean sprouts all day long. But in the end we're all animals.

 

[Excelsior]

Jesus christ you are oversimplifying this.

But in the end we're all animals.

Not exactly (because we're different from the rest), since we are the only animal that is capable of such widespread destruction/overconsumption and overuse of natural resources.

Some species will be eliminated. Maybe all someday.

That shouldn't happen though (see: consumption of domesticed animals).

There are always going to be people out there with their own agenda that want to eat bean sprouts all day long.

And I have yet to see anyone here say that. It seems you are confused and not really reading what we are posting.

 

[SmoochyTX]

Excelsior - I guess it's a good thing we're in America eh?

Because I always love it when people pick apart my posts and think they understand what I'm saying sentence by sentence instead of ingesting the entire thing as a whole and thinking somebody else might believe differently than they do. LOL

Kudos to you!

 

[Shawn]

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[OS]

does japan have any internal groups that raise awareness about this sort of thing?

 

[aidanjm]

Originally posted by: SmoochyTX

Originally posted by: Excelsior

Originally posted by: SmoochyTX
Gimme a break.

While the act is certainly not an attractive one, man is an animal. Animals kill each other other. What do you think would happen if animals DIDN'T kill each other?

Never mind. This is a bleeding heart forum. LOL

No, we just eat our domesticated animals (cows/pigs/chickens) instead of brutally killing wild, intelligent, marine mammals.

You fvckshit.

I never said life was nice. I also never said certain animals should be killed over others. But hell if you're willing to kill pigs and cows and chickens, why not other animals?

Would you prefer humans that ate only grass and beans? No killing on the planet? Not going to happen. I've also never known anybody that had a pet dolphin.

And would you eat a dolphin or a fellow human if you had to choose? I don't know about you but I'd be carving that dolphin up before it stopped moving.

You seem to be deliberately confusing a range of distinct issues:

1) should humans kill other animals for our own purposes (food, clothing, etc)

2) are there species of animals that should be exempt from human exploitation? (e.g., animals that are very intelligent such as dolphins or monkeys)

3) if we agree that killing other animals for our use is acceptable, should there be standards on how the killing is done to reduce unnecessary suffering (for animals with sophisticated nervous systems which are capable of experiencing fear, terror, pain - such as cows, pigs, etc)?

Most of the posters in this thread commented that butchering the dolphins with no concern at all for their suffering is what disturbed them.

A few posters stated that dolphins should be exempt from human exploitation (use as food) completely.

So far, no one has stated animals shouldn't be used for food per se.

That mass butchering of those dolphins is an affront to civilized society. Particularly considering there is no NEED at all to inflict such wanton cruelty (they could b killed humanely at no gret expense) on animals that by all scientific accounts are remarkably intelligent and certainly capable of experiencing fear, terror and pain. Even if you believe it is acceptable to eat dolphins, that does not relieve you of a societal and/ or moral responsibility to slaughter the dolphins in a humane fashion.

 

[aidanjm]

Originally posted by: SmoochyTX

Originally posted by: dighn

Originally posted by: SmoochyTX
I never said life was nice. I also never said certain animals should be killed over others. But hell if you're willing to kill pigs and cows and chickens, why not other animals?

Would you prefer humans that ate only grass and beans? No killing on the planet? Not going to happen. I've also never known anybody that had a pet dolphin.

And would you eat a dolphin or a fellow human if you had to choose? I don't know about you but I'd be carving that dolphin up before it stopped moving.

we don't have to make that choice. nobody is starving if we don't kill a few dolphins or at least try to do it humanely. what does nobody having a pet dolphin have to do with anything? dolphins are demonstrated to be a highly intelligent species. killing something that can potentially comprehend and suffer from the slaughter as much as a human would is wrong. god forbid we try to apply some ethics when possible.

Animals are animals.

What a stupid comment. What does that even mean? Are you suggesting there are no differences between different species of animals that might be mneaningful to us as humans? What bullshit. As a species and as a society, we value intelligence, sentience, the capacity to experience emotions. Therefore it stands to reason it seems less acceptable to us (as a society) to slaughter highly intelligent animals - say a dolphin - than to slaughter a relatively less intelligent animal (a chicken). Almost no-one cares about stepping on an ant or spider, because these organisms don't have a central nervous system as such and certainly don't experience emotions like fear or sadness.

Originally posted by: SmoochyTX
When did the reason for killing ever stop?

Except most peoiple in this thread are talking about humane slaughter of animals for human exploitation. It is you who is trying to turn the thread into an argument about the pros and cons of veganism as a lifestyle.

Originally posted by: SmoochyTX
Have you ever watched the news? Please try not to think so narrowly. Killing happens every day all around us.

Umm, the fact something occurs frequently means what..? We should abandon our laws on murder, manslaughter, or even our laws mandating huymane slaughter of farm animals? In a society, we establish laws that reflect our values. Most people - those of us who are not raving sociopaths - think it is not generally a good idea to infliuct suffering on another being, whether human or animal. This means if you are going to kill a cow or pig for dinner, you do it in a way that does not force the cow or pig to undergo prolonged pain, suffering, terror.

Originally posted by: SmoochyTX
It doesn't matter if it's a dolphin, a deer, a pig, a tuna, or our neighbor. Killing is killing.

What does that even mean? What a stupid comment. No, killing is not "killing". Kill an ant, no-one cares. Kill your neighbor, you go to jail. This is about our standards of behavior as a society. Some things offend our sensibilities. Slaughtering dolphins in that manner is an afront to the sensibilities of most decent, non-sociopathic people with a capacity to empathize with other living creatures.

Originally posted by: SmoochyTX
If you're going to argue that killing is wrong then that's fine.

Actually, no one in the thread has argued this, have they?

Originally posted by: SmoochyTX
But you can't say that killing is wrong part of the time just because you see some dolphins flopping around.

You can argue exactly that. You can argue that on account of their intelligence and emotional sophistication, we should exempt dolphins and momkeys from human exploitation. You can also argue that if you are going to kill dolhpins, you can do it humanely.

Originally posted by: SmoochyTX
I never said it was pretty. But you should take a side and stand for it. It doesn't matter how smart the animal is. If humans only killed humans would it still be OK?

More stupidity. What do those comments even mean?

 

[SmoochyTX]

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: SmoochyTX

Originally posted by: Excelsior

Originally posted by: SmoochyTX
Gimme a break.

While the act is certainly not an attractive one, man is an animal. Animals kill each other other. What do you think would happen if animals DIDN'T kill each other?

Never mind. This is a bleeding heart forum. LOL

No, we just eat our domesticated animals (cows/pigs/chickens) instead of brutally killing wild, intelligent, marine mammals.

You fvckshit.

I never said life was nice. I also never said certain animals should be killed over others. But hell if you're willing to kill pigs and cows and chickens, why not other animals?

Would you prefer humans that ate only grass and beans? No killing on the planet? Not going to happen. I've also never known anybody that had a pet dolphin.

And would you eat a dolphin or a fellow human if you had to choose? I don't know about you but I'd be carving that dolphin up before it stopped moving.

You seem to be deliberately confusing a range of distinct issues:

1) should humans kill other animals for our own purposes (food, clothing, etc)

2) are there species of animals that should be exempt from human exploitation? (e.g., animals that are very intelligent such as dolphins or monkeys)

3) if we agree that killing other animals for our use is acceptable, should there be standards on how the killing is done to reduce unnecessary suffering (for animals with sophisticated nervous systems which are capable of experiencing fear, terror, pain - such as cows, pigs, etc)?

Most of the posters in this thread commented that butchering the dolphins with no concern at all for their suffering is what disturbed them.

A few posters stated that dolphins should be exempt from human exploitation (use as food) completely.

So far, no one has stated animals shouldn't be used for food per se.

That mass butchering of those dolphins is an affront to civilized society. Particularly considering there is no NEED at all to inflict such wanton cruelty on animals that by all scientific accounts is remarkably intelligent and certainly capable of experiencing fear, terror and pain. Even if you believe it is acceptable to eat dolphin meat, that does not relieve you of a societal and/ or moral responsibility to slaughter the dolphins in a humane fashion.

I'm not confusing anything. Too many people are letting their emotions get to them and they're typing like wussies.

Again, if you would read back, you will see that I'm all for humane killing. Jeez.

With that said, should animals be killed? Absolutely. Is it inhumane sometimes? Absolutely. Does the good outweigh the bad? Absolutely. Does it suck when something dies? Sometimes. Is this world too PC? Absolutely.

BTW, I've never eaten dolphin. But it's not because of anything I saw in this thread. I'm sure it's probably yummy.

 

[aidanjm]

Originally posted by: SmoochyTX
BTW, I've never eaten dolphin. But it's not because of anything I saw in this thread. I'm sure it's probably yummy.

whereas I suspect you would taste like sh1t, because that is what you are full of.

 

[SmoochyTX]

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: SmoochyTX
BTW, I've never eaten dolphin. But it's not because of anything I saw in this thread. I'm sure it's probably yummy.

whereas I suspect you would taste like sh1t, because that is what you are full of.

So is that what dolphin tastes like? You seem like you know.

 

[dexvx]

One would think we've evolved to the point where we can kill out food in a humane way.

Yes, I do support eating animals. However, I do also support killing them humanely.

 

[CRXican]

Originally posted by: madeupfacts
wtf r wrong with teh japanese?

****** kill everything

 

[sundev]

We need to invent a pill that we can take so we don't have to eat food, like Willy Wonka invented.

 

[sanjeev2010]

For those interested, you can go here

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/427037941?ltl=1159104673#top

to sign a petition against the killing.

 

[CKDragon]

Originally posted by: SmoochyTX

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: SmoochyTX

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: SmoochyTX
Either way, I would be dead. It doesn't matter if it took a minute or 5 seconds. Dead is dead.

Anyone who isn't a sadistic sociopath would agree that subjecting a feeling animal (whether human or dolphin) to extended, prolonged suffering is not a good thing.

I'm not a sadistic sociopath. I believe in humane killing. But s**t happens sometimes.

The point of rules, laws, legislation, standards, etc. is to prevent "sh1t" from happening. Dolphin drives should be outlawed completely. People who engage in them should suffer heavy penalties. Those men in that film should have their boats, their fishing equipment, and possibly even their houses and cars confiscated from them. They should also serve jail time - say one to two years in a low-security facility.

It sounds like you're passionate enough about this subject. But ya know, just because there are laws in place doesn't mean that people will abide by them.

Are you one of those crazy effers that will kill other humans because they killed dolphins? Were you ever the probable subject of a Law & Order episode?

Are you blind? Didn't he just outline what he wishes the penalty would be? Did he say anything about killing these sickos?

Reading comprehension... <GOB>COME ON!</GOB>

CK

 

[datalink7]

Originally posted by: SmoochyTX

Originally posted by: datalink7

Originally posted by: SmoochyTX

Originally posted by: dighn

Originally posted by: SmoochyTX
I never said life was nice. I also never said certain animals should be killed over others. But hell if you're willing to kill pigs and cows and chickens, why not other animals?

Would you prefer humans that ate only grass and beans? No killing on the planet? Not going to happen. I've also never known anybody that had a pet dolphin.

And would you eat a dolphin or a fellow human if you had to choose? I don't know about you but I'd be carving that dolphin up before it stopped moving.

we don't have to make that choice. nobody is starving if we don't kill a few dolphins or at least try to do it humanely. what does nobody having a pet dolphin have to do with anything? dolphins are demonstrated to be a highly intelligent species. killing something that can potentially comprehend and suffer from the slaughter as much as a human would is wrong. god forbid we try to apply some ethics when possible.

Animals are animals. When did the reason for killing ever stop? Have you ever watched the news? Please try not to think so narrowly. Killing happens every day all around us. It doesn't matter if it's a dolphin, a deer, a pig, a tuna, or our neighbor. Killing is killing.

If you're going to argue that killing is wrong then that's fine. But you can't say that killing is wrong part of the time just because you see some dolphins flopping around. I never said it was pretty. But you should take a side and stand for it.

It doesn't matter how smart the animal is. If humans only killed humans would it still be OK?

Your "all killing is the same" argument works if you think simply. Any in depth philosophical questioning of ethics will find your statement inane. You are the one being narrow minded here by lumping all killing into one category.

But aren't humans animals? Cows are animals. Pigs are animals. Dolphins are animals.

I've never said in any of my comments that suffering was perfectly fine. I even said that if I was on the chopping block I would wish that it happened quickly. I am completely behind humane killing.

The point I'm trying to make is that we're all animals. Some animals are smarter than others but we're all animals nonetheless. There's also no way that all animals can survive on this planet. Some species will be eliminated. Maybe all someday. Then this entire thread will be a stupid moot point.

A dolphin flopping around on a dock bleeding to death after having been stabbed, while disturbing, isn't going to change me one iota. If it was a fellow human it might. But hell, enough humans kill each other every day that it's kinda of hypocritical for others to fixate on dolphin-killing when there's enough human-killing going on.

As far as the killing of domesticated animals, you can find any of the PETA freaks everywhere you turn your head to tell you about the destruction of these poor animals. There are always going to be people out there with their own agenda that want to eat bean sprouts all day long. But in the end we're all animals.

Again, you are being incredibly narrow minded (what you accuse others of being). Are you trying to make some kind of ontological statement when you say "we are all animals"? Because that really means nothing at all. What do you mean by that? Because we are all members of the kingdom Animalia we can't have any value placement?

I think your statment is pretty empty. "We are all animals" means nothing. You say that's your point... what kind of point is that? Hey, how about I make the statement that we are the same as plants because we are all alive? What kind of qualitative statement would that be?

 

[Ika]

 

[KoolDrew]

 

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by: SmoochyTX
Excelsior - I guess it's a good thing we're in America eh?

Because I always love it when people pick apart my posts and think they understand what I'm saying sentence by sentence instead of ingesting the entire thing as a whole and thinking somebody else might believe differently than they do. LOL

Kudos to you!

Since you can't think of a decent response you post this?

:roll:


I give up. aidanjm and datalink7 have said it well enough anyway.