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kinda personal: Will You Vote For Bush?

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Originally posted by: jjsole
I pity the president that replaces bush tho...GW has really f'd things up and the ramifications are going to set this country back in many ways for a very long time. can't think of anything he's improved either.

(Sigh)

I'm not exactly a Bush cheerleader, but blaming him for causing all of the nation's current problems is totally unfair. The economy was already going to hell before he was even elected, and 9-11 certainly didn't make things any better. I doubt that Gore would have done any better with the economy or homeland security if he would have gotten a few more votes in Florida. Greedy corporate CEO's, crooked accountants, and Al Queda did FAR more damage to the US than Bush has in the past 2 1/2 years.

That said, Bush did a pretty good job of screwing up the tax cuts and the war with Iraq. If you want to blame him for something, blame him for that.

 
Well, one thing I can thank Bush for is getting me up off my ass and getting me to vote. Never voted before. He's made me a better merican!

I will vote for whoever his closest oposition is, doesn't matter who. As far as I'm concerned, nobody can screw up things more than him.

He will most likely get voted back in though, for the same reason that a person is smart and people are stupid.

On another note, I love the people who say that we were justified going into Iraq because we freed the oppressed. If that's the case, then we're going to be waging war for a LONG time - there's a lot of countries on the same list.








 
Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
F - U - % - # N - O


If you offered me $1,000,000 american hard currency to do it I would tell you to shove it up your colon. It is ONLY my supreme self control that has prevented me from supporting assassination of the bastard so far.

Is that pretty much clear? Cause I don't want to seem to wishy-washy on it. 😎

Crap, what am I gonna do with this million dollars now?
 
Originally posted by: Gaard
<<...and warned they would use WMD,>>

huh?

Like Bush using misinformation to use for justifying this war, how many of you have decided to vote a certain way based on misinformation?

You guys are a bunch of parrots... the liberal media always get you guys to start reusing the same buzz word over and over again and it's so obvious when you do it. 😛 I dare you to list one statement that was misinformation.
 
Originally posted by: SagaLore
Originally posted by: Gaard
<<...and warned they would use WMD,>>

huh?

Like Bush using misinformation to use for justifying this war, how many of you have decided to vote a certain way based on misinformation?

You guys are a bunch of parrots... the liberal media always get you guys to start reusing the same buzz word over and over again and it's so obvious when you do it. 😛 I dare you to list one statement that was misinformation.


liberal media
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Wow did you think that up for yourself? Show me any REAL media sorce that has lied, as much as Bush has.
 
Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Originally posted by: SagaLore
Originally posted by: Gaard
<<...and warned they would use WMD,>>

huh?

Like Bush using misinformation to use for justifying this war, how many of you have decided to vote a certain way based on misinformation?

You guys are a bunch of parrots... the liberal media always get you guys to start reusing the same buzz word over and over again and it's so obvious when you do it. 😛 I dare you to list one statement that was misinformation.


liberal media
rolleye.gif



Wow did you think that up for yourself? Show me any REAL media sorce that has lied, as much as Bush has.

New York Times > Clinton (both of them) > Jesse Jackson > Daschel > Infinity > Bush

Why are the libs so persistent that Bush has lied? Your own (minority) leaders are lying to you and you're buying it. Democratic voters are gullible sheep.
 
Originally posted by: SagaLore
Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Originally posted by: SagaLore
Originally posted by: Gaard
<<...and warned they would use WMD,>>

huh?

Like Bush using misinformation to use for justifying this war, how many of you have decided to vote a certain way based on misinformation?

You guys are a bunch of parrots... the liberal media always get you guys to start reusing the same buzz word over and over again and it's so obvious when you do it. 😛 I dare you to list one statement that was misinformation.


liberal media
rolleye.gif



Wow did you think that up for yourself? Show me any REAL media sorce that has lied, as much as Bush has.

New York Times > Clinton (both of them) > Jesse Jackson > Daschel > Infinity > Bush

Why are the libs so persistent that Bush has lied? Your own (minority) leaders are lying to you and you're buying it. Democratic voters are gullible sheep.

Okay, if you do not like Bush being called a liiar... how about he was really, really wrong about Iraq. Does that work for you?

BTW, drop the name calling. It puts you on the ignore list.

 
Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
Originally posted by: Psychosylph
Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
Originally posted by: crazygal
1 vote doesn't make a difference whatsoever so it shouldn't matter what I vote 😉
I live in Florida so I can tell you straight up you're wrong 😉 Every vote mattered even if these old raisins down here are too old to even punch the chad all the way or figure out how to vote for the guy they want 😛

Actually, I agree with crazygal; one vote does not, and likely never will, make any difference. Even in an election that was that hotly contested, the difference was in the thousands, not in the single digits. One man/woman can make a difference by influencing a large block of voters, but a single vote is EXTREMELY unlikely to ever make a difference.

And, just to make it a bit more entertaining and ironic, every one of those people who did vote for Gore in Florida and made it so close had their votes discarded when the Electoral College gave all of Florida's electoral votes to Bush.
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Just not a process I am particularly fond of...
This part of Chowderhead's post covers the issue nicely
Elections sometimes can hinge on one vote

Eatontown Election Decided by a Coin Toss

Various Elections decided by One Vote My point was that there are perhaps thousands of potential voters in Florida who feel the same as crazygal does that would have made a difference if they had voted. either by making the margin more decidely for Bush or electing Gore president. It's all about the philosophy not the statistical probability of one vote that makes me believe that every vote is important 😉

Actually, most of those are poor examples. About 75% of them refer to votes by legislatures, which are very small samples in which the selected few can make a difference; keep in mind these were elected officials voting on an issue, not a general election. Especially poor is the one about the impeachment; that vote was manipulated so that it would be defeated by one vote, by the combined will of the legislature, to send a pointed message to Jackson. To be quite honest, most of those examples are propaganda used to convince you that your vote is valuable.

And, to be honest, one vote can make a difference - but only in a small enough sample. Notice that the examples that were good were votes for a school council (or some such) in a very small city or county. They are actually more anecdotal in nature than practical. So, you can see that one vote can make a difference, but not in a large election - even the examples given prove that. One vote can make a difference in a small midwestern town's election for school superintendent, but it is exceedingly unlikely that it will ever make a difference on a national, state or even small to medium-sized city or county's level.
 
Originally posted by: Karsten
Not Bush,
He is too soft on the separation of Church and State for my tastes. And I really do not want him and Pat Robertson chosing any Supreme Court judges

First you would have to know what separation of church and State really means (and you can't honestly believe the founding fathers put that clause in with the thought of all the abuse this clause is used now). To even make the statement that Pat Robertson had any kind of influence in who is becoming a supreme court judge shows your biased. From your statement I'll put you in the same category as Pat, just on the other side of the spectrum.

Lets see what the US Constitution says:
Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.


People have trouble with this admendment because it stops them from imposing their religion on to other people.

My comment about GWB's softness on the separation of church and state is based on his support for Federal funding of "faith" based organizations.

About Pat Robertson: the religious right is a core support group for GWB and the Republicans. Recently
Robertson Calls for Justices' Retirement

I laughed when I read that you put me in the same category as Mr Robertson. Pat wants to imposed his religion and bigotry onto everyone. I think the US Constitution should apply to everyone, not just people who think like I do or look like me.

 
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