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"Killing is [morally] fine" Discuss

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Is Killing fine?

  • Yes

  • No

  • In self defence

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MotionMan said:
But your sig is a quote taken out of context.



BoomerD says killing is fine, and gives examples when/why he believes it is fine:

1. Food;
2. Self defense;
3. Defense of property.

Do you really take issue with that?

MotionMan
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I do. When there are other options.
 
neckarb said:
Most places don't condone killing unless there is no other option.

14/30 votes agree with me.
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Not true, Year Round Season Animals

Species with Year-round Hunting Seasons
The following small game species may be taken year-round with any valid hunting license* except within state park and recreation areas from April 1 to September 14:
opossum
porcupine
red squirrel
skunk
thirteen-lined ground squirrel
woodchuck
weasel
The following species may be taken with a firearm year-round with any valid hunting license except within state park and recreation areas from April 1 to September 14:

English (house) sparrow
European starling
feral pigeon (rock dove)
*No license is required for a resident, resident's spouse or resident's children to hunt small game on the enclosed farmlands where they live.
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This is Michigan, but I assume the laws are similar in many other states.
 
pontifex said:
It's still not wrong, even based on your own evidence of the wiki link.

England is part of the British Isles. Therefore you are British.
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Yes I am, But so are Scottish people!

And yet, American's call Scottish people scottish and english people British for some mental reason.
 
The capitals of the three countries of the United Kingdom which comprise Great Britain are:

England: London
Scotland: Edinburgh
Wales: Cardiff
 
Brigandier said:
No, but the law helps us navigate the vast gray area known as morality.
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I completely agree, it does, but I'd like to think that people also make up their own rules for morality

SlowSpyder said:
There are other options besides steak, but you proudly tell us how much you like meat. You're a hypocrite. And you are British.
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You can't get meat without a dead animal.

I'm English. and British, and European, but you don't call Scottish people British, you don't call Irish people European. I call you American because you are from America. I'm English. From England.
 
neckarb said:
You can't get meat without a dead animal.

I'm English. and British, and European, but you don't call Scottish people British, you don't call Irish people European. I call you American because you are from America. I'm English. From England.
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Right, but you don't have to eat meat. You choose to. I choose to. Animals die because we like hamburgers. That makes you no better than someone shooting a coyote to protect his animals that he plans to use for food or income.

And you are British.
 
SlowSpyder said:
Right, but you don't have to eat meat. You choose to. I choose to. Animals die because we like hamburgers. That makes you no better than someone shooting a coyote to protect his animals that he plans to use for food or income.

And you are British.
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That's a valid point, but I would argue there is a huge difference between institutionalised killing of animals for food and an individual killing animals for no good reason.

Institutionally rearing animals for food, is one of the reason that animals like cows are not going extinct any time soon.

I'm English, from England.
 
neckarb said:
That's a valid point, but I would argue there is a huge difference between institutionalised killing of animals for food and an individual killing animals for no good reason.

Institutionally rearing animals for food, is one of the reason that animals like cows are not going extinct any time soon.
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One could just as easily argue that institutionally raising animals for slaughter is morally wrong. Most of these animals live very unnatural lives, and if raised for meat, very short lives. At least wild animals have the opportunity to kick around before dying.
 
neckarb said:
That's a valid point, but I would argue there is a huge difference between institutionalised killing of animals for food and an individual killing animals for no good reason.

Institutionally rearing animals for food, is one of the reason that animals like cows are not going extinct any time soon.

I'm English, from England.
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i disagree. i would t hink that animals raised to just be eaten is worse then those in teh wild. though neither are "good".

all i know is i think i will have steak for dinner. this thread has made me want it.. yumm
 
Brigandier said:
One could just as easily argue that institutionally raising animals for slaughter is morally wrong. Most of these animals live very unnatural lives, and if raised for meat, very short lives. At least wild animals have the opportunity to kick around before dying.
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And that would be an absolutely fair argument. Something I've considered time and time again, but either way neither argument condones the statement "Killing is fine" I personally believe that raising and killing animals for food is a necessary evil purely because the animals would not continue as a species without it and the demand for meat is so high. It is an evil though, it is not a morally good choice. No killing is moral. In all honesty I feel bad for the fact that I eat meat, I would become a vegetarian if I thought it would make the slightest difference, but when there are people with rifles killing coyotes out there I think that is an issue that needs addressing first.
 
waggy said:
i disagree. i would t hink that animals raised to just be eaten is worse then those in teh wild. though neither are "good".

all i know is i think i will have steak for dinner. this thread has made me want it.. yumm
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A very fair point, but I would argue that some animals would be close to extinction without us raising them. You're right though killing animals for food is not good, it's wrong. But individuals doing it for fun is worse. There is no justifying that, that is where I take issue at the moment, maybe at some point i'll become a vegitarian.
 
neckarb said:
A very fair point, but I would argue that some animals would be close to extinction without us raising them. You're right though killing animals for food is not good, it's wrong. But individuals doing it for fun is worse. There is no justifying that, that is where I take issue at the moment, maybe at some point i'll become a vegitarian.
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i can agree that killing for fun or "sport" is wrong. I have been hunting since i was 12. We always eat what we shoot. don't take shots unless its a kill shot.
 
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