Kid uses sex offender list for victims to kill?

[purbeast0]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: purbeast0
umm ... actually you are wrong, there are no FACTS as you so put it, about how or why this guy became registered as a sexual offender. so no, i'm not scared of the word.

and in courst, FACTS as you so called put it, is the reason OJ walked away from murder, but "everyone really knows what happened" ... right?

There is a fact. One you have continued to overlook.
57 year olds generally arent on the List because way back in the 60's they decided to date their girlfriend when they were 18.

But you can pick and choose what to believe if it makes you feel better. 🙂

Why is that a fact ... cause you are saying so?

regardless ... you are still generalizing, which has nothing to do with facts.

statistically the chances of getting struck by lightning are less than someone winning the lottery, but i personally know 1 person who's been struck by lightning and 0 people who have won the lottery.

and what does that prove? absolutely nothing.

EDIT: i still don't buy your "generally" argument. in 30 years from now, the 24 year old will be 54. i don't see why its so hard for you to believe someoone in 1976 could have done something to get on the list and now is 57.

 

[NaOH]

Originally posted by: purbeast0

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: purbeast0

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: purbeast0

Originally posted by: Specop 007
Call it an educated guess.
The 57 year old wasnt on their for handin our flowers I'll damn well gaurentee you that much.

And aside from that, I'm pretty sure this kid didnt just pick the first two names off the list.

Remember that case out in Seattle I think it was here a year or so ago. 2 Lvl III offenders were offed by some guy claiming to be FBI.

People dont go out and kill someone who streaked across the football field during a game.

But lets make it interesting. Wanna make a friendly wager out of it?

I'll call that assuming when you have absolutely 0 proof to go by. That's pretty damn ignorant in itself, as is your support for this kid who killed 2 guys.

Call it what you will the fact remains. 57 year olds dont become registered sex offenders for dating thier high school girlfriend.

Oh so now you are "guessing" when he became a registered sex offender?

sweet! more ignorance from you.

Like I said, until the databse comes back online no one knows.
But all the FACTS are there. Scared of that word arent you. Most liberals are.

So I say again, wanna make a friendly wager on it? Say a buck, cause thats roughly equal to a soda.

umm ... actually you are wrong, there are no FACTS as you so put it, about how or why this guy became registered as a sexual offender. so no, i'm not scared of the word.

and in courst, FACTS as you so called put it, is the reason OJ walked away from murder, but "everyone really knows what happened" ... right?

If it says he was convicted of child molestation later when the site comes up, you are saying it is false? 😕 So you are doubting the justice system?

Then you say the justice system correctly let OJ out?

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: purbeast0
Why is that a fact ... cause you are saying so?

regardless ... you are still generalizing, which has nothing to do with facts.

statistically the chances of getting struck by lightning are less than someone winning the lottery, but i personally know 1 person who's been struck by lightning and 0 people who have won the lottery.

and what does that prove? absolutely nothing.

Why is it a fact??
Hell I dunno. I'm not the maker or keeper of facts.
But it doesnt change it any when I say the majority of older people on the List aint there for something they did back in 1960.

 

[purbeast0]

Originally posted by: AMDUALY

Originally posted by: purbeast0

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: purbeast0

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: purbeast0

Originally posted by: Specop 007
Call it an educated guess.
The 57 year old wasnt on their for handin our flowers I'll damn well gaurentee you that much.

And aside from that, I'm pretty sure this kid didnt just pick the first two names off the list.

Remember that case out in Seattle I think it was here a year or so ago. 2 Lvl III offenders were offed by some guy claiming to be FBI.

People dont go out and kill someone who streaked across the football field during a game.

But lets make it interesting. Wanna make a friendly wager out of it?

I'll call that assuming when you have absolutely 0 proof to go by. That's pretty damn ignorant in itself, as is your support for this kid who killed 2 guys.

Call it what you will the fact remains. 57 year olds dont become registered sex offenders for dating thier high school girlfriend.

Oh so now you are "guessing" when he became a registered sex offender?

sweet! more ignorance from you.

Like I said, until the databse comes back online no one knows.
But all the FACTS are there. Scared of that word arent you. Most liberals are.

So I say again, wanna make a friendly wager on it? Say a buck, cause thats roughly equal to a soda.

umm ... actually you are wrong, there are no FACTS as you so put it, about how or why this guy became registered as a sexual offender. so no, i'm not scared of the word.

and in courst, FACTS as you so called put it, is the reason OJ walked away from murder, but "everyone really knows what happened" ... right?

If it says he was convicted of child molestation later when the site comes up, you are saying it is false? 😕 So you are doubting the justice system?

Then you say the justice system correctly let OJ out?

no i'm not saying its false. i'm just saying this guy is making a huge assumption that he thinks justifies the murder of these 2 guys who are marked as sex offenders, when many examples (in this thread alone) have arose stating how little of something could get you on that list, and will keep you there for life.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: purbeast0
no i'm not saying its false. i'm just saying this guy is making a huge assumption that he thinks justifies the murder of these 2 guys who are marked as sex offenders, when many examples (in this thread alone) have arose stating how little of something could get you on that list, and will keep you there for life.

KISS MY ASS. TOLD YA SO
Gee look, the 57 year old wasnt there for dating his girlfriend while he was in high school!!

I rest my case, wheres my soda?


Joseph Lewis Gray
Date of Birth: 05/04/1948

Residence: Milo ME, 04463

Address last verified on: 01/26/2006

SORA #: 2952

Statute: Indecent Assault And Battery On A Child Under 14
Court: Massachusetts
Docket #: 28799
Statute: Rape Of A Child
Court: Massachusetts
Docket #: 28800




William Elliott
Date of Birth: 07/10/1981

Residence: East corinth ME, 04427

Address last verified on: 11/14/2005

SORA #: 301

Statute: 17-A MRSA (254)(1)(A)
Offense: Sexual abuse of minor
Case #: CR-2002-00322
Court: 3rd District Court Newport

 

[purbeast0]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: purbeast0
no i'm not saying its false. i'm just saying this guy is making a huge assumption that he thinks justifies the murder of these 2 guys who are marked as sex offenders, when many examples (in this thread alone) have arose stating how little of something could get you on that list, and will keep you there for life.

KISS MY ASS. TOLD YA SO

Joseph Lewis Gray
Date of Birth: 05/04/1948

Residence: Milo ME, 04463

Address last verified on: 01/26/2006

SORA #: 2952

Statute: Indecent Assault And Battery On A Child Under 14
Court: Massachusetts
Docket #: 28799
Statute: Rape Of A Child
Court: Massachusetts
Docket #: 28800

Wow so your assumption turned out to be right, good for you! i hope you go on with your day feeling better about yourself!

but until that ... you had no clue and were all happy and praising this murderer with no facts.

also, that doesn't mention once what the date was when that happened.

 

[JujuFish]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: purbeast0
no i'm not saying its false. i'm just saying this guy is making a huge assumption that he thinks justifies the murder of these 2 guys who are marked as sex offenders, when many examples (in this thread alone) have arose stating how little of something could get you on that list, and will keep you there for life.

KISS MY ASS. TOLD YA SO
Gee look, the 57 year old wasnt there for dating his girlfriend while he was in high school!!

I rest my case, wheres my soda?


Joseph Lewis Gray
Date of Birth: 05/04/1948

Residence: Milo ME, 04463

Address last verified on: 01/26/2006

SORA #: 2952

Statute: Indecent Assault And Battery On A Child Under 14
Court: Massachusetts
Docket #: 28799
Statute: Rape Of A Child
Court: Massachusetts
Docket #: 28800

You may need to kiss some ass as well. The other guy looks like another one of those 17 year old cases.


William Elliott
Date of Birth: 07/10/1981

Residence: East corinth ME, 04427

Address last verified on: 11/14/2005

SORA #: 301 William Elliott
Convictions
Statute: 17-A MRSA (254)(1)(A)
Offense: Sexual abuse of minor
Case #: CR-2002-00322
Court: 3rd District Court Newport

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: JujuFish

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: purbeast0
no i'm not saying its false. i'm just saying this guy is making a huge assumption that he thinks justifies the murder of these 2 guys who are marked as sex offenders, when many examples (in this thread alone) have arose stating how little of something could get you on that list, and will keep you there for life.

KISS MY ASS. TOLD YA SO
Gee look, the 57 year old wasnt there for dating his girlfriend while he was in high school!!

I rest my case, wheres my soda?


Joseph Lewis Gray
Date of Birth: 05/04/1948

Residence: Milo ME, 04463

Address last verified on: 01/26/2006

SORA #: 2952

Statute: Indecent Assault And Battery On A Child Under 14
Court: Massachusetts
Docket #: 28799
Statute: Rape Of A Child
Court: Massachusetts
Docket #: 28800

You may need to kiss some ass as well. The other guy looks like another one of those 17 year old cases.


William Elliott
Date of Birth: 07/10/1981

Residence: East corinth ME, 04427

Address last verified on: 11/14/2005

SORA #: 301 William Elliott
Convictions
Statute: 17-A MRSA (254)(1)(A)
Offense: Sexual abuse of minor
Case #: CR-2002-00322
Court: 3rd District Court Newport

Sexual abuse is not stautory rape.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: purbeast0

Wow so your assumption turned out to be right, good for you! i hope you go on with your day feeling better about yourself!

Sure did. See what happens when you use facts?

but until that ... you had no clue and were all happy and praising this murderer with no facts.

Because I knew damn good and well why he was on there.
Tell you what, find me ONE individual on ANY sexual list over 50 who isnt there for molesting a minor in some way shape or form.
Find me one of those "Peeing alongside the road" cases.

also, that doesn't mention once what the date was when that happened.

Still denying facts eh? Did democraticunderground have a containment breach again??

 

[ValkyrieofHouston]

Originally posted by: Citrix

The shootings of Joseph L. Gray, 57, of Milo, and William Elliott, 24, of Corinth, led state police to take down the Maine Sex Offender Registry Web site as a precaution, state Department of Public Safety spokesman Stephen McCausland said. The site lists the photos, names and addresses of more than 2,200 sex offenders.

I have never agreed with the decision to post the sex offender list to the public. especially when it list the persons name, pictures and addresses.

I so agree with this...

This has in the past lead to some very serious issues of abuse from the public. And again, the public does not know the actual facts of every case. Online you just get a very brief synopsis of the conviction. So you really don't know the surrounding facts.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: ValkyrieofHouston

Originally posted by: Citrix

The shootings of Joseph L. Gray, 57, of Milo, and William Elliott, 24, of Corinth, led state police to take down the Maine Sex Offender Registry Web site as a precaution, state Department of Public Safety spokesman Stephen McCausland said. The site lists the photos, names and addresses of more than 2,200 sex offenders.

I have never agreed with the decision to post the sex offender list to the public. especially when it list the persons name, pictures and addresses.

I so agree with this...

This has in the past lead to some very serious issues of abuse from the public. And again, the public does not know the actual facts of every case. Online you just get a very brief synopsis of the conviction. So you really don't know the surrounding facts.

I would think people would want to know if there living next door to a rapist!

 

[NaOH]

Originally posted by: purbeast0

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: purbeast0
no i'm not saying its false. i'm just saying this guy is making a huge assumption that he thinks justifies the murder of these 2 guys who are marked as sex offenders, when many examples (in this thread alone) have arose stating how little of something could get you on that list, and will keep you there for life.

KISS MY ASS. TOLD YA SO

Joseph Lewis Gray
Date of Birth: 05/04/1948

Residence: Milo ME, 04463

Address last verified on: 01/26/2006

SORA #: 2952

Statute: Indecent Assault And Battery On A Child Under 14
Court: Massachusetts
Docket #: 28799
Statute: Rape Of A Child
Court: Massachusetts
Docket #: 28800

Wow so your assumption turned out to be right, good for you! i hope you go on with your day feeling better about yourself!

but until that ... you had no clue and were all happy and praising this murderer with no facts.

also, that doesn't mention once what the date was when that happened.

Well, all we can do is assume. It is human nature. Your decision to assume that the listing was due to statutory rape was the same thing as him assuming the men did worse. Why does it matter what date it happened? He RAPED a CHILD. END

As for the younger guy, still not sure what he did as sexual abuse of a child could be for many reasons. He could have fondled a child for all we know or banged the wrong chick while in hs. Either way, we all assume until we see the real evidence, it is called human nature. It's not like were the ones killing people on assumptions. You don't know if the kid who killed them, knew them or not.

 

[purbeast0]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: purbeast0

Wow so your assumption turned out to be right, good for you! i hope you go on with your day feeling better about yourself!

Sure did. See what happens when you use facts?

but until that ... you had no clue and were all happy and praising this murderer with no facts.

Because I knew damn good and well why he was on there.
Tell you what, find me ONE individual on ANY sexual list over 50 who isnt there for molesting a minor in some way shape or form.
Find me one of those "Peeing alongside the road" cases.

also, that doesn't mention once what the date was when that happened.

Still denying facts eh? Did democraticunderground have a containment breach again??

i swear dude ... you just like have a problem with reading comprehension don't you. never once did i disprove or approve any facts. i just gave my opinions on your point of view that had no facts to back it up.

and again, no where in your little snippet, does it mention when this guy performed this act that labeled him as a sex offender.

i'm not saying he did it when he was 18. i'm not saying he did it when he was 57. i'm saying i have no clue how old he was when it happened.

i hope that is clear enough for you, since the last few posts i made seemed to slip right over your head.

 

[purbeast0]

Originally posted by: AMDUALY

Originally posted by: purbeast0

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: purbeast0
no i'm not saying its false. i'm just saying this guy is making a huge assumption that he thinks justifies the murder of these 2 guys who are marked as sex offenders, when many examples (in this thread alone) have arose stating how little of something could get you on that list, and will keep you there for life.

KISS MY ASS. TOLD YA SO

Joseph Lewis Gray
Date of Birth: 05/04/1948

Residence: Milo ME, 04463

Address last verified on: 01/26/2006

SORA #: 2952

Statute: Indecent Assault And Battery On A Child Under 14
Court: Massachusetts
Docket #: 28799
Statute: Rape Of A Child
Court: Massachusetts
Docket #: 28800

Wow so your assumption turned out to be right, good for you! i hope you go on with your day feeling better about yourself!

but until that ... you had no clue and were all happy and praising this murderer with no facts.

also, that doesn't mention once what the date was when that happened.

Well, all we can do is assume. It is human nature. Your decision to assume that the listing was due to statutory rape was the same thing as him assuming the men did worse. Why does it matter what date it happened? He RAPED a CHILD. END

As for the younger guy, still not sure what he did as sexual abuse of a child could be for many reasons. He could have fondled a child for all we know or banged the wrong chick while in hs. Either way, we all assume until we see the real evidence, it is called human nature. It's not like were the ones killing people on assumptions. You don't know if the kid who killed them, knew them or not.

read my posts again. i never once assumed it was statuatory rape. all i did was say there is no way you can think this is justified without having any facts at hand about what went on with this guy and why he's labeled a sex offender.

 

[JujuFish]

Originally posted by: AMDUALY
As for the younger guy, still not sure what he did as sexual abuse of a child could be for many reasons. He could have fondled a child for all we know or banged the wrong chick while in hs. Either way, we all assume until we see the real evidence, it is called human nature. It's not like were the ones killing people on assumptions. You don't know if the kid who killed them, knew them or not.

The younger guy was convicted of sexual abuse of a minor, not a child.

 

[BriGy86]

Originally posted by: ValkyrieofHouston

Originally posted by: Citrix

The shootings of Joseph L. Gray, 57, of Milo, and William Elliott, 24, of Corinth, led state police to take down the Maine Sex Offender Registry Web site as a precaution, state Department of Public Safety spokesman Stephen McCausland said. The site lists the photos, names and addresses of more than 2,200 sex offenders.

I have never agreed with the decision to post the sex offender list to the public. especially when it list the persons name, pictures and addresses.

I so agree with this...

This has in the past lead to some very serious issues of abuse from the public. And again, the public does not know the actual facts of every case. Online you just get a very brief synopsis of the conviction. So you really don't know the surrounding facts.

if they are going to post their personal info they should also post the facts as to what they were convicted of

lets say you have children and you find out your neighbor is a convicted sex offender because he was 18 and had sex with his 17 year old girlfriend (willingly) 1 month before her 18th birthday

granted you may have a 2nd guess, would that REALLY be a danger to society?

i still think killing those guys was wrong, just because people are wrongfully accused/convicted all the time

 

[Zee]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: ValkyrieofHouston

Originally posted by: Citrix

The shootings of Joseph L. Gray, 57, of Milo, and William Elliott, 24, of Corinth, led state police to take down the Maine Sex Offender Registry Web site as a precaution, state Department of Public Safety spokesman Stephen McCausland said. The site lists the photos, names and addresses of more than 2,200 sex offenders.

I have never agreed with the decision to post the sex offender list to the public. especially when it list the persons name, pictures and addresses.

I so agree with this...

This has in the past lead to some very serious issues of abuse from the public. And again, the public does not know the actual facts of every case. Online you just get a very brief synopsis of the conviction. So you really don't know the surrounding facts.

I would think people would want to know if there living next door to a rapist!

nah i understand what they are saying. what if it's that hot school teacher, the female blond? without knowing the surrounding facts and everyone being clumped together, the website registry does have flaws (but im still behind the website being UP)

 

[NaOH]

Originally posted by: JujuFish

Originally posted by: AMDUALY
As for the younger guy, still not sure what he did as sexual abuse of a child could be for many reasons. He could have fondled a child for all we know or banged the wrong chick while in hs. Either way, we all assume until we see the real evidence, it is called human nature. It's not like were the ones killing people on assumptions. You don't know if the kid who killed them, knew them or not.

The younger guy was convicted of sexual abuse of a minor, not a child.

What's the age range of a minor?

 

[DrPizza]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: purbeast0

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: purbeast0

Originally posted by: Specop 007
Call it an educated guess.
The 57 year old wasnt on their for handin our flowers I'll damn well gaurentee you that much.

And aside from that, I'm pretty sure this kid didnt just pick the first two names off the list.

Remember that case out in Seattle I think it was here a year or so ago. 2 Lvl III offenders were offed by some guy claiming to be FBI.

People dont go out and kill someone who streaked across the football field during a game.

But lets make it interesting. Wanna make a friendly wager out of it?

I'll call that assuming when you have absolutely 0 proof to go by. That's pretty damn ignorant in itself, as is your support for this kid who killed 2 guys.

Call it what you will the fact remains. 57 year olds dont become registered sex offenders for dating thier high school girlfriend.

Oh so now you are "guessing" when he became a registered sex offender?

sweet! more ignorance from you.

Like I said, until the databse comes back online no one knows.
But all the FACTS are there. Scared of that word arent you. Most liberals are.

So I say again, wanna make a friendly wager on it? Say a buck, cause thats roughly equal to a soda.

Uhh, is purbeast thinking that maybe 30 years ago, this guy was convicted of having sex with his 17 year old girlfriend? I believe the circumstantial evidence that we have so far points to this guy having been convicted of something more serious.

Also, while I don't condone this kid's actions, if he was suicidal and decided that instead of going down in a hail of gunfire after shooting a few kids in his school, he was going to pick some of the worst offenders on the sexual offenders registry, then I suppose the world is a little better off with his decision.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: Zee

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: ValkyrieofHouston

Originally posted by: Citrix

The shootings of Joseph L. Gray, 57, of Milo, and William Elliott, 24, of Corinth, led state police to take down the Maine Sex Offender Registry Web site as a precaution, state Department of Public Safety spokesman Stephen McCausland said. The site lists the photos, names and addresses of more than 2,200 sex offenders.

I have never agreed with the decision to post the sex offender list to the public. especially when it list the persons name, pictures and addresses.

I so agree with this...

This has in the past lead to some very serious issues of abuse from the public. And again, the public does not know the actual facts of every case. Online you just get a very brief synopsis of the conviction. So you really don't know the surrounding facts.

I would think people would want to know if there living next door to a rapist!

nah i understand what they are saying. what if it's that hot school teacher, the female blond? without knowing the surrounding facts and everyone being clumped together, the website registry does have flaws (but im still behind the website being UP)

Definitely it does! I certiainly wont argue that. The fact someone canshow their boobs at a concert and be labelled a sex offender is ridiculous if you ask me.

But, I know if I was living next to one of those "rapist" teachers I'd want to know. After all, I've been told I look very young so....... 😉 😱

 

[NaOH]

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=1786632&page=1

article about making punishments for rape more severe. Possibly even the death penalty for raping again after conviction, but i doubt it.

 

[piasabird]

Most places wont charge for statutory rape if the woman was willing and over 14. Our district attorney refuses to take cases where both parties are over 14 and willing participants. Kids that old know what is wrong and right they just choose to do wrong or choose to act they way they do.

 

[Trevelyan]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

I would think people would want to know if there living next door to a rapist!

Murderers get out of jail too, you know? Should we set up a database for murderers as well?



The fact is, this database of sexual offenders is not the way to solve this problem. I used to this it was. I used to be all for it.

But honestly, the fact that most sexual offenders do commit a 2nd crime, means that the sentences for sexual offenses are too lenient, not that we need to set up a way so that anyone can easily find out about their past and judge them accordingly for the rest of their lives.

Give harsher jail time, longer probation, and more counseling... this online database just isn't the answer.

Just my opinion.

 

[theeedude]

I think online database is a good thing, but I am not sure if it should give someone's exact address, just general area. That way, the community will be notified that there is an offender in the area, without giving the person's exact address out for people to harrass them or otherwise commit violence.

 

[AnthraX101]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: JujuFish
SORA #: 301 William Elliott
Convictions
Statute: 17-A MRSA (254)(1)(A)
Offense: Sexual abuse of minor
Case #: CR-2002-00322
Court: 3rd District Court Newport

Sexual abuse is not stautory rape.

Actually, it is.

Title 17-A: MAINE CRIMINAL CODE
§254. Sexual abuse of minors
1. A person is guilty of sexual abuse of a minor if:


A. The person engages in a sexual act with another person, not the actor's spouse, who is either 14 or 15 years of age and the actor is at least 5 years older than the other person. Violation of this paragraph is a Class D crime; [2001, c. 383, §21 (amd); §156 (aff).]

That's what he was convicted of. Is it that hard to find & read a law? The citation was right there. But it's easier to get everyone wipped up into a fury by assuming.

AnthraX101