Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was not waterboarded 183 times in one month

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Atreus21

How is it liberals here suddenly have moral high ground? These are the atheists, the people with zero standards about decency, morality, or faith. These are people who defend mass-murderers on the basis they might've been denied lemon in their iced tea.

The fact of the matter is this: This is about your ego, not morals. That's it. You guys wanna see Bush burn, plain and simple, because he's a republican. This righteous crusade would be curiously absent from the left if this had happened to Obama. Give me a break. The republicans were no better with Clinton. I disagreed with the whole Lewinsky thing until he lied under oath.

I'm tired of this "we are AMERICA. We do what is right because it's right" from liberals. You guys mostly believe that notions of right and wrong are just excuses to force ideology on people (unless it's your ideology, of course.) Jesus. Get some perspective.

No, liberals generally believe you can do whatever you want so long as it isn't harming anyone else. What's your deal with equating atheism and amorality? What mass murderers are you talking about? This is absolutely ridiculous.

You had a problem with Clinton once he lied under oath, but you think that opposition to a government sanctioned torture program is pure politics. Speaking of getting some perspective...

 

[n yusef]

Originally posted by: Atreus21

Originally posted by: Harvey

We KNOW the Bushwhackos lied and denied they torturered anyone... until they were caught... and caught again...and again. We have the video and the already released memos. If you do no more than accept the idea that some innocent... make that ONE innocent person has been held at Guantanamo, you have no way of knowing which of those innocent detainees was also tortured.

The fact is that any TORTURE of anyone is illegal under U.S. and international law. The over-riding imparative is that any TORTURE of anyone is unethical, immoral and beyond consideration as acceptible by civil human beings.

Skipping those niceties, if you think you can live with yourself knowing you are willing to accept the torturing of even one INNOCENT person, you are not someone I would want to know, let alone respect.

How is it liberals here suddenly have moral high ground? These are the atheists, the people with zero standards about decency, morality, or faith. These are people who defend mass-murderers on the basis they might've been denied lemon in their iced tea.

The fact of the matter is this: This is about your ego, not morals. That's it. You guys wanna see Bush burn, plain and simple, because he's a republican. This righteous crusade would be curiously absent from the left if this had happened to Obama. Give me a break. The republicans were no better with Clinton. I disagreed with the whole Lewinsky thing until he lied under oath.

I'm tired of this "we are AMERICA. We do what is right because it's right" from liberals. You guys mostly believe that notions of right and wrong are just excuses to force ideology on people (unless it's your ideology, of course.) Jesus. Get some perspective.

You think that morality is exclusive to religion. You are wrong.

 

[umbrella39]

Originally posted by: LTC8K6

the liberal MSM widely reported.

Aww, here's a for later. You might want it for when you get down off the cross.

 

[Mr. Lennon]

Originally posted by: Atreus21

Originally posted by: Harvey

We KNOW the Bushwhackos lied and denied they torturered anyone... until they were caught... and caught again...and again. We have the video and the already released memos. If you do no more than accept the idea that some innocent... make that ONE innocent person has been held at Guantanamo, you have no way of knowing which of those innocent detainees was also tortured.

The fact is that any TORTURE of anyone is illegal under U.S. and international law. The over-riding imparative is that any TORTURE of anyone is unethical, immoral and beyond consideration as acceptible by civil human beings.

Skipping those niceties, if you think you can live with yourself knowing you are willing to accept the torturing of even one INNOCENT person, you are not someone I would want to know, let alone respect.

How is it liberals here suddenly have moral high ground? These are the atheists, the people with zero standards about decency, morality, or faith. These are people who defend mass-murderers on the basis they might've been denied lemon in their iced tea.

The fact of the matter is this: This is about your ego, not morals. That's it. You guys wanna see Bush burn, plain and simple, because he's a republican. This righteous crusade would be curiously absent from the left if this had happened to Obama. Give me a break. The republicans were no better with Clinton. I disagreed with the whole Lewinsky thing until he lied under oath.

I'm tired of this "we are AMERICA. We do what is right because it's right" from liberals. You guys mostly believe that notions of right and wrong are just excuses to force ideology on people (unless it's your ideology, of course.) Jesus. Get some perspective.

Seriously? You wouldn't hold such a ignorant view on morality if you would just read a psychology textbook....unfortunately most of you fundies aren't in the business of reading non-fiction/factual material.

You have people like Ted Haggard getting ass rammed by a male prostitute while doing crystal meth. Priests raping/molesting children like no tomorrow. You also have your closet gay religious republican politicians getting caught in widely known gay hook up restrooms. And of course you have every one of your priests/pastors spewing uneducated hate upon homosexuals at every one of your masses. Religion is the last place I would look to for morality.

Of course we all (including sensible republicans) want to see Bush burn. He is a criminal and he got away with murder. Our country suffered greatly under his rule, and we are paying dearly for it now. The democrats are not just attacking him because he is republican, they are attacking him because he royally fucked us for 8 years.

 

[First]

What an utterly irrelevant distinction to make.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Atreus21
How is it liberals here suddenly have moral high ground? These are the atheists, the people with zero standards about decency, morality, or faith.

That's probably the same argument the Priest used to defend their use of torture during the Spanish Inguisition.
Hypocritical Fundie Social Conservatives like you are one of the main reason the Republican Party is tanking.

 

[Xellos2099]

How do you propose on how to extract information on someone who is willing to blow themselves up? Offer them milk and cookie?

 

[jackschmittusa]

Xellos2099

Do you realize what a braindead argument you just made?

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: Atreus21

Originally posted by: Harvey

We KNOW the Bushwhackos lied and denied they torturered anyone... until they were caught... and caught again...and again. We have the video and the already released memos. If you do no more than accept the idea that some innocent... make that ONE innocent person has been held at Guantanamo, you have no way of knowing which of those innocent detainees was also tortured.

The fact is that any TORTURE of anyone is illegal under U.S. and international law. The over-riding imparative is that any TORTURE of anyone is unethical, immoral and beyond consideration as acceptible by civil human beings.

Skipping those niceties, if you think you can live with yourself knowing you are willing to accept the torturing of even one INNOCENT person, you are not someone I would want to know, let alone respect.

How is it liberals here suddenly have moral high ground? These are the atheists, the people with zero standards about decency, morality, or faith. These are people who defend mass-murderers on the basis they might've been denied lemon in their iced tea.

The fact of the matter is this: This is about your ego, not morals. That's it. You guys wanna see Bush burn, plain and simple, because he's a republican. This righteous crusade would be curiously absent from the left if this had happened to Obama. Give me a break. The republicans were no better with Clinton. I disagreed with the whole Lewinsky thing until he lied under oath.

I'm tired of this "we are AMERICA. We do what is right because it's right" from liberals. You guys mostly believe that notions of right and wrong are just excuses to force ideology on people (unless it's your ideology, of course.) Jesus. Get some perspective.

WTF? There is so much wrong with those statements I don't know where to begin. Absolute facepalm.

 

[RightIsWrong]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: CitizenKain

Originally posted by: GoPackGo
Yet you condone the butchering of unborn babies.... how hypocritcal.

Yet you condone killing people, how hypocritical.

To not recognize the difference between murderers and the innocent, is in itself a very evil state of mind which should not be tolerated. Your view is abhorrent and vile.

Somehow, I get the impression that you consider the innocent ALREADY BORN AND LIVING men, women and children that were killed while we were "shock and awing" the Iraqi people to just be "collateral damage" instead of what the cozy, help you sleep at night reality is....dead innocent people.

And you have the nerve to come someone vile.

 

[RightIsWrong]

Originally posted by: Atreus21

How is it liberals here suddenly have moral high ground? These are the atheists, the people with zero standards about decency, morality, or faith. These are people who defend mass-murderers on the basis they might've been denied lemon in their iced tea.

The fact of the matter is this: This is about your ego, not morals. That's it. You guys wanna see Bush burn, plain and simple, because he's a republican. This righteous crusade would be curiously absent from the left if this had happened to Obama. Give me a break. The republicans were no better with Clinton. I disagreed with the whole Lewinsky thing until he lied under oath.

I'm tired of this "we are AMERICA. We do what is right because it's right" from liberals. You guys mostly believe that notions of right and wrong are just excuses to force ideology on people (unless it's your ideology, of course.) Jesus. Get some perspective.

I'm only going to say this one time so that you can hear it. I know that you still won't be able to comprehend it....but maybe you will be able to read the words anyway.

A person doesn't not have to believe in fairy tales of generations gone by to be a moral, decent and upstanding person.

It is a vast, vast majority of the "righteous" like you that are the ones that care very little about any human life that isn't part of your little clique and yet you think that you can lecture anyone about caring, compasion and sympathy for another human being?

And you also support the Iraq war where the person that you voted for TWICE was murdering tens if not hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraq civilians (kind of sounds like mass murder to me).

The fact of the matter is this (and not what you actually believe it to be), you are an amoral asshole who wouldn't know morality if it sat on your face. Going to church with a bunch of other hypocrites praying to some non-existent being in the sky doesn't make you a better person. It makes you a lying sack of dung. You are lying to yourself that going through this ritual while still supporting the murder of innocent people and the torture of others somehow is justified in any manner ever!

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: CitizenKain

Originally posted by: GoPackGo
Yet you condone the butchering of unborn babies.... how hypocritcal.

Yet you condone killing people, how hypocritical.

To not recognize the difference between murderers and the innocent, is in itself a very evil state of mind which should not be tolerated. Your view is abhorrent and vile.

Somehow, I get the impression that you consider the innocent ALREADY BORN AND LIVING men, women and children that were killed while we were "shock and awing" the Iraqi people to just be "collateral damage" instead of what the cozy, help you sleep at night reality is....dead innocent people.

And you have the nerve to come someone vile.

Excellent point! Were they truly "pro-life" they would be appalled at the hundreds of thousands of innocent men, women, and children who died due to our attack on Iraq. That doesn't match "their side's" agenda, however, so they swallow the hypocrisy without a second thought.

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: Atreus21

Originally posted by: Harvey

We KNOW the Bushwhackos lied and denied they torturered anyone... until they were caught... and caught again...and again. We have the video and the already released memos. If you do no more than accept the idea that some innocent... make that ONE innocent person has been held at Guantanamo, you have no way of knowing which of those innocent detainees was also tortured.

The fact is that any TORTURE of anyone is illegal under U.S. and international law. The over-riding imparative is that any TORTURE of anyone is unethical, immoral and beyond consideration as acceptible by civil human beings.

Skipping those niceties, if you think you can live with yourself knowing you are willing to accept the torturing of even one INNOCENT person, you are not someone I would want to know, let alone respect.

How is it liberals here suddenly have moral high ground? These are the atheists, the people with zero standards about decency, morality, or faith. These are people who defend mass-murderers on the basis they might've been denied lemon in their iced tea.

The fact of the matter is this: This is about your ego, not morals. That's it. You guys wanna see Bush burn, plain and simple, because he's a republican. This righteous crusade would be curiously absent from the left if this had happened to Obama. Give me a break. The republicans were no better with Clinton. I disagreed with the whole Lewinsky thing until he lied under oath.

I'm tired of this "we are AMERICA. We do what is right because it's right" from liberals. You guys mostly believe that notions of right and wrong are just excuses to force ideology on people (unless it's your ideology, of course.) Jesus. Get some perspective.

/facepalm

This is a joke post, right? Please?

 

[Atreus21]

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
It is a vast, vast majority of the "righteous" like you that are the ones that care very little about any human life that isn't part of your little clique and yet you think that you can lecture anyone about caring, compasion and sympathy for another human being?

And you also support the Iraq war where the person that you voted for TWICE was murdering tens if not hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraq civilians (kind of sounds like mass murder to me).

Oh please. You guys had no argument against partial-birth abortion, which Bush banned. You guys only care about compassion and sympathy when it suits the agenda of republican-bashing, but are entirely bereft of conscience when it comes to defending the most innocent among us. This ethos is so backwards it defies description. It's so backwards that you call casualties of war murder victims. FDR is a murderer too by this standard.

Remove politics from this. Let's pretend we're neither republicans nor democrats. KSM deliberately planned to murder 3000 civilians, all for the sake of making a political point. He deserved far worse than what he got.

The fact of the matter is this (and not what you actually believe it to be), you are an amoral asshole who wouldn't know morality if it sat on your face. Going to church with a bunch of other hypocrites praying to some non-existent being in the sky doesn't make you a better person. It makes you a lying sack of dung. You are lying to yourself that going through this ritual while still supporting the murder of innocent people and the torture of others somehow is justified in any manner ever!

Abortion. Again. You're not concerned about the murder of innocents unless it suits your agenda. You're defending a mass murderer on the basis that he was made uncomfortable. Are you going to say that this asshole was innocent? Give me a fucking break.

All we ever hear from you guys is, "Don't force your morality/religious intolerance on us. We don't believe as you do, and have a right to live by our own morals."

Obviously, however, you support forcing morality on other people when it's your morality. Get over yourselves. Liberals are no better than conservatives when it comes to morality pushing.

You guys would defend a TERRORIST if it gave you the ability to villify Bush more effectively. It's sick.

 

[Atreus21]

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: CitizenKain

Originally posted by: GoPackGo
Yet you condone the butchering of unborn babies.... how hypocritcal.

Yet you condone killing people, how hypocritical.

To not recognize the difference between murderers and the innocent, is in itself a very evil state of mind which should not be tolerated. Your view is abhorrent and vile.

Somehow, I get the impression that you consider the innocent ALREADY BORN AND LIVING men, women and children that were killed while we were "shock and awing" the Iraqi people to just be "collateral damage" instead of what the cozy, help you sleep at night reality is....dead innocent people.

And you have the nerve to come someone vile.

Excellent point! Were they truly "pro-life" they would be appalled at the hundreds of thousands of innocent men, women, and children who died due to our attack on Iraq. That doesn't match "their side's" agenda, however, so they swallow the hypocrisy without a second thought.

Were you guys pro-choice when it comes to choosing not to support gay marriage? That doesn't match "your side's" agenda either, so you are no less hypocritical.

Drawing a moral equivalence between killing one's own children and casualties during war-time is quite a stretch.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Atreus21

Were you guys pro-choice when it comes to choosing not to support gay marriage? That doesn't match "your side's" agenda either, so you are no less hypocritical.

Drawing a moral equivalence between killing one's own children and casualties during war-time is quite a stretch.

Wouldn't the far more correct way to put it be that we're pro choice for people deciding if they want to get gay married or not? I'm not aware of anyone, anywhere attempting to restrict people from being able to choose whether or not to support gay marriage. Please provide a link if you have one. People might think less of you as a person for not supporting it, but that's very different.

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: Atreus21

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
Somehow, I get the impression that you consider the innocent ALREADY BORN AND LIVING men, women and children that were killed while we were "shock and awing" the Iraqi people to just be "collateral damage" instead of what the cozy, help you sleep at night reality is....dead innocent people.

And you have the nerve to come someone vile.

Excellent point! Were they truly "pro-life" they would be appalled at the hundreds of thousands of innocent men, women, and children who died due to our attack on Iraq. That doesn't match "their side's" agenda, however, so they swallow the hypocrisy without a second thought.

Were you guys pro-choice when it comes to choosing not to support gay marriage? That doesn't match "your side's" agenda either, so you are no less hypocritical.

Drawing a moral equivalence between killing one's own children and casualties during war-time is quite a stretch.

With all due respect, you're a blithering idiot. I don't give a rat's ass whether you oppose gay marriage or support it. You're entitled to your opinion, and I support your right to express it. No matter how you try to twist it, however, believing in choice does not mean I have to support bigots' desires to impose their intolerance on others through government action. That's a non sequitur.

As far as striking an equivalence between abortion and Iraqis killed, you're right that it's a stretch. You're simply mistaken on which way it's stretching. There is no clear consensus on when a fetus becomes a human being. There was no question at all, however, about the humanity of the hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqis slaughtered just because they were in the wrong place at the wrong time. Similarly, there is no question about the humanity of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed. He is human vermin to be sure, but he is still human, and as the self-proclaimed role model for human rights, the United States has a moral obligation to live up to our own standards. Imprison him, interrogate him, try him and execute him (if convicted, of course), but do so in a way that is consistent with our values. When we fall to his level, he wins.

 

[jman19]

Originally posted by: Atreus21

Originally posted by: Harvey

We KNOW the Bushwhackos lied and denied they torturered anyone... until they were caught... and caught again...and again. We have the video and the already released memos. If you do no more than accept the idea that some innocent... make that ONE innocent person has been held at Guantanamo, you have no way of knowing which of those innocent detainees was also tortured.

The fact is that any TORTURE of anyone is illegal under U.S. and international law. The over-riding imparative is that any TORTURE of anyone is unethical, immoral and beyond consideration as acceptible by civil human beings.

Skipping those niceties, if you think you can live with yourself knowing you are willing to accept the torturing of even one INNOCENT person, you are not someone I would want to know, let alone respect.

How is it liberals here suddenly have moral high ground? These are the atheists, the people with zero standards about decency, morality, or faith.

Well, looks like your credibility just went to shit.

 

[Atreus21]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Atreus21

Were you guys pro-choice when it comes to choosing not to support gay marriage? That doesn't match "your side's" agenda either, so you are no less hypocritical.

Drawing a moral equivalence between killing one's own children and casualties during war-time is quite a stretch.

Wouldn't the far more correct way to put it be that we're pro choice for people deciding if they want to get gay married or not? I'm not aware of anyone, anywhere attempting to restrict people from being able to choose whether or not to support gay marriage. Please provide a link if you have one. People might think less of you as a person for not supporting it, but that's very different.

I meant to illustrate that the pro-life moniker is no less absurd than the pro-choice slogan. They're the two names of the opposing sides. You're not in favor of all choices, just some choices, the ones that you agree with. Similarly, pro-life people aren't in favor of all life, just innocent lives. So both of them are misnomers.

 

[Atreus21]

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: Atreus21

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
Somehow, I get the impression that you consider the innocent ALREADY BORN AND LIVING men, women and children that were killed while we were "shock and awing" the Iraqi people to just be "collateral damage" instead of what the cozy, help you sleep at night reality is....dead innocent people.

And you have the nerve to come someone vile.

Excellent point! Were they truly "pro-life" they would be appalled at the hundreds of thousands of innocent men, women, and children who died due to our attack on Iraq. That doesn't match "their side's" agenda, however, so they swallow the hypocrisy without a second thought.

Were you guys pro-choice when it comes to choosing not to support gay marriage? That doesn't match "your side's" agenda either, so you are no less hypocritical.

Drawing a moral equivalence between killing one's own children and casualties during war-time is quite a stretch.

With all due respect, you're a blithering idiot. I don't give a rat's ass whether you oppose gay marriage or support it. You're entitled to your opinion, and I support your right to express it. No matter how you try to twist it, however, believing in choice does not mean I have to support bigots' desires to impose their intolerance on others through government action. That's a non sequitur.

Okay, then similarly I don't have to accept the complete and utter contempt for religious institutions that liberals have on ready display at the slightest provocation.

As far as striking an equivalence between abortion and Iraqis killed, you're right that it's a stretch. You're simply mistaken on which way it's stretching. There is no clear consensus on when a fetus becomes a human being. There was no question at all, however, about the humanity of the hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqis slaughtered just because they were in the wrong place at the wrong time. Similarly, there is no question about the humanity of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed. He is human vermin to be sure, but he is still human, and as the self-proclaimed role model for human rights, the United States has a moral obligation to live up to our own standards. Imprison him, interrogate him, try him and execute him (if convicted, of course), but do so in a way that is consistent with our values. When we fall to his level, he wins.

The absence of consensus means nothing. Common sense dictates that fetuses become a human at some point, and that therefore until we find it, we've no right to assume we can kill the child until such knowledge is ascertained. Liberals, on the other hand, believe that the child is killable until proven human, which is insanity. If there is ANY question regarding the humanity of the subject, liberals here who are so righteous about torture, one would think, would be very cautious about taking steps to kill the child, especially when it's all for the sake of allowing the mother to live as she pleases. If killing your own progeny isn't wrong, then how the hell can torture be wrong?

We haven't even begun to fall to his level. Falling to his level would mean using all means at our disposal to smash any opposition, which would mean nuclear weapons. We become animals when we don't care what it takes to defeat the enemy.

 

[Sacrilege]

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: Atreus21

Originally posted by: Harvey

We KNOW the Bushwhackos lied and denied they torturered anyone... until they were caught... and caught again...and again. We have the video and the already released memos. If you do no more than accept the idea that some innocent... make that ONE innocent person has been held at Guantanamo, you have no way of knowing which of those innocent detainees was also tortured.

The fact is that any TORTURE of anyone is illegal under U.S. and international law. The over-riding imparative is that any TORTURE of anyone is unethical, immoral and beyond consideration as acceptible by civil human beings.

Skipping those niceties, if you think you can live with yourself knowing you are willing to accept the torturing of even one INNOCENT person, you are not someone I would want to know, let alone respect.

How is it liberals here suddenly have moral high ground? These are the atheists, the people with zero standards about decency, morality, or faith. These are people who defend mass-murderers on the basis they might've been denied lemon in their iced tea.

The fact of the matter is this: This is about your ego, not morals. That's it. You guys wanna see Bush burn, plain and simple, because he's a republican. This righteous crusade would be curiously absent from the left if this had happened to Obama. Give me a break. The republicans were no better with Clinton. I disagreed with the whole Lewinsky thing until he lied under oath.

I'm tired of this "we are AMERICA. We do what is right because it's right" from liberals. You guys mostly believe that notions of right and wrong are just excuses to force ideology on people (unless it's your ideology, of course.) Jesus. Get some perspective.

/facepalm

This is a joke post, right? Please?

That is not a joke.... many conservatives believe that they themselves are "True Americans," and liberals, gays, minorities, non-Christians, atheists, are not only not "True Americans," but in some hypothetical future "revolution" all those people will be executed.

Many conservatives gleefully say they will take part in these executions....

 

[Atreus21]

Originally posted by: Sacrilege

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: Atreus21

Originally posted by: Harvey

We KNOW the Bushwhackos lied and denied they torturered anyone... until they were caught... and caught again...and again. We have the video and the already released memos. If you do no more than accept the idea that some innocent... make that ONE innocent person has been held at Guantanamo, you have no way of knowing which of those innocent detainees was also tortured.

The fact is that any TORTURE of anyone is illegal under U.S. and international law. The over-riding imparative is that any TORTURE of anyone is unethical, immoral and beyond consideration as acceptible by civil human beings.

Skipping those niceties, if you think you can live with yourself knowing you are willing to accept the torturing of even one INNOCENT person, you are not someone I would want to know, let alone respect.

How is it liberals here suddenly have moral high ground? These are the atheists, the people with zero standards about decency, morality, or faith. These are people who defend mass-murderers on the basis they might've been denied lemon in their iced tea.

The fact of the matter is this: This is about your ego, not morals. That's it. You guys wanna see Bush burn, plain and simple, because he's a republican. This righteous crusade would be curiously absent from the left if this had happened to Obama. Give me a break. The republicans were no better with Clinton. I disagreed with the whole Lewinsky thing until he lied under oath.

I'm tired of this "we are AMERICA. We do what is right because it's right" from liberals. You guys mostly believe that notions of right and wrong are just excuses to force ideology on people (unless it's your ideology, of course.) Jesus. Get some perspective.

/facepalm

This is a joke post, right? Please?

That is not a joke.... many conservatives believe that they themselves are "True Americans," and liberals, gays, minorities, non-Christians, atheists, are not only not "True Americans," but in some hypothetical future "revolution" all those people will be executed.

Many conservatives gleefully say they will take part in these executions....

Who exactly?

 

[Lemon law]

Lets make no mistakes here, torture is basically a moral issue, and something the vast majority of Republicans and Democrats are united against. Torture is not a partisan issue, it has not been in the past and should not be a partisan issue in the future.

And torture policies are something that really only something that Dick Cheney and a small hand full of his morally bankrupt ilk saddled this country with. And now this country has the painful duty of repudiating those torture policies, and part of that repudiation and proof of our sincerity regards punishing those who violated domestic and international law.

 

[ayabe]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Lets make no mistakes here, torture is basically a moral issue, and something the vast majority of Republicans and Democrats are united against. Torture is not a partisan issue, it has not been in the past and should not be a partisan issue in the future.

And torture policies are something that really only something that Dick Cheney and a small hand full of his morally bankrupt ilk saddled this country with. And now this country has the painful duty of repudiating those torture policies, and part of that repudiation and proof of our sincerity regards punishing those who violated domestic and international law.

Exactly, it's not a partisan issue and how is came to be construed as such is really mindblowing.

Ronald Reagan, radical leftist championed this particular section of the UN Convention Against Torture -

Text
Article 2

1. Each State Party shall take effective legislative, administrative, judicial or other measures to prevent acts of torture in any territory under its jurisdiction.
2. No exceptional circumstances whatsoever, whether a state of war or a threat or war, internal political instability or any other public emergency, may be invoked as a justification of torture.
3. An order from a superior officer or a public authority may not be invoked as a justification of torture.


It's very black and white, there's no ambiguity.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Originally posted by: dphantom
Waterboarding as restricted in the reports was not IMO torture. However, waterboarding exceeding the restrictions might qualify.

The waterboarding these 3 people underwent was minimal and to my mind does not meet the criteria for torture.

But why ruin a perfectly good story.

Another keyboard commando heard from. IMO waterboarding is fun and should be a ride at Dizzknee land...
Have you ever been waterboarded?