Keystone pipeline

[kage69]

Just hand wave the issues away........You can do better than that.

Do you support eminent domain for private projects?

Wow. I had no idea you were so charitable bryce. He just replied to a Chernobyl radiation factoid with "mushrooms are slightly poisonous." C'mon now, you're trying to debate with a bowl of oatmeal that can type.

 

[Zorkorist]

Look at iOwa.
Farmers. Republicans. Joni Ernst.
Drill baby drill.
Sarah Plain.
Yee haw.

Then.... comes along this other pipeline in the planning stages (different from the keystone) that cut straight thru iOwa farmland and thru farm property.
And guess what... all hell broke out.
These Joni Ernst GW Bush right wing drill baby drill Chuck Grassley gerrymandered loving republican farmers suddenly found themselves on the wrong side of the fence.
NOT IN MY BACKYARD !!!!!!!
And off to court they went.
So damn F**King typical.

Well, duh...

You make a litigious society, you get a litigious society.

-John

 

[brycejones]

Well, duh...

You make a litigious society, you get a litigious society.

-John

Yes, how dare those land owners try to defend their property rights.

 

[sportage]

Oops. meant to add...

http://amestrib.com/news/farmers-continue-fight-bakken-pipeline-ruling

 

[Zorkorist]

Yes, how dare those land owners try to defend their property rights.

They don't have property rights, as they are being taxed. The Government owns their property, and can take it away, via eminent domain, whenever they want.

Do you think otherwise?

-John

 

[brycejones]

They don't have property rights, as they are being taxed. The Government owns their property, and can take it away, via eminent domain, whenever they want.

Do you think otherwise?

-John

You were halfway cogent before, its time to stop drinking tonight. We've had the taxes does not equal ownership discussion several times now. So I'm not engaging in that again with you.

 

[Zorkorist]

Hey, we dialoged for a bit, and that is something. Thank you.

-John

 

[K1052]

Yeah we can rest easy knowing trains are carrying more oil than ever. They are also derailing killing people and spilling more oil than ever. But glad we are against modernizing infrastructure in the name of denying a Bush era pipeline its last phase.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-crude-train-safety-20151007-story.html

Railroads, even the Class 1's, have been pretty historically accepting that derailments are just a cost of doing business and they're (generally) better than paying more for track maintenance. Couple that with crappy liquid tank cars and stuff that goes boom we get the present situation.

Pipelines aren't without hazard either if not properly maintained. They're generally less likely to injure or kill people in a failure but spill volume can potentially be vastly larger than any rail car accident. Like when an Enbridge pipeline blew out in Michigan and dumped a million gallons of hard to clean up diluted bitumen into the Kalamazoo river resulting in the worst/costliest inland spill in US history.

In both cases government oversight of safety requirements has been too lax.

 

[Bitek]

Real Capitalism, is dead today. Obama blocked the pipeline, when any individual person would have accepted the lucrative offer.

-John

Um.. No. Few ppl want pipelines on their land, that's why eminent domain is used (and for other projects.)

There are many other pipelines being proposed around the country due to the fracking boom, and landowners are being threatened with eminent domain in order to cut deals.

At least they're for American interests. Keystone benefits mostly Canada at our expense, and it's a scandal so many American politicians lined up to sell out for it.

 

[Jhhnn]

Then why did the oil company go straight to eminent domain? They used that as one of the deals terms.

Beyond that, why did the people of Nebraska vote to keep it from running through the sand hills?

 

[Bitek]

Here is another pipeline being proposed which is threatening to use eminent domain to steal land from those who don't want their land destroyed. It's in the NJ/PA border around Philadelphia in the Northeast

All these small govt politicians don't do shit once the energy companies call them up.
We can't get past the carbon economy fast enough.

If PennEast Pipeline Co. LLC cannot reach an agreement with landowners and federal regulators approve the $1 billion project, the company says it can use eminent domain to acquire the land.

PennEast made the announcement in a media packet dated Oct. 9 titled, "Landowner Bill of Rights." Eminent domain is the power to take private property for use in a public project in return for compensation.

Jeff Tittel, director of the New Jersey Sierra Club, previously said an estimated two-thirds or 70 percent of the people along the pipeline route in New Jersey have said 'no' to the pipeline and won't let PennEast on their land for surveying.

PennEast in the packet says if the company needs to use eminent domain, it likely will seek to acquire an easement and under its conditions, the landowner would retain ownership of the property. However, if the company needs land to build a compressor station, it will seek to purchase the property outright by deed and PennEast would have ownership.

Plans for the PennEast pipeline project include constructing the natural gas pipeline from Luzerne County, Pennsylvania, to Mercer County, New Jersey.

The 36-inch pipeline is proposed to transport enough natural gas from Pennsylvania's Marcellus Shale region to serve 4.7 million homes, according to the company's website.

PennEast has a projected in-service date of November 2017.

http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/news/index.ssf/2015/10/penneast_pipeline_eminent_domain_can_be_used_if_agreement_not_reached.html

 

[Jhhnn]

The desire to build the pipeline has everything to do with geopolitics. Texas refineries import Venezuelan heavy crude for use in some of their product line- asphalt & other derivtives. they have refineries built to do just that. But they hate the Venezuelan govt with a purple passion because their holdings in Venezuela were nationalized.

Canadian heavy crude can serve their purposes just as well, making the pipeline attractive when oil prices were high. Screw the Venezuelans & enrich their Canadian partners while creating an environmental disaster zone in tar sand mining areas. Now that crude prices are very low the pipeline isn't worth the investment so they'll grudgingly keep buying Venezuelan heavy crude.