Originally posted by: FuriousJorge
Oh, the joys of joining a new forum. What exciting bomb of forum politics will I detonate with a simple statement of preference. Let's find out...
Originally posted by: Sahakiel
Originally posted by: FuriousJorge
Originally posted by: Sahakiel
Well, if you were simply going to reject testimony as subjective conjecture, why didn't you reject your own assumptions right off the bat?
I'm glad you asked.
Because, I actually have a First Person perspective on my life. That's how I know my hypothesis is true:
The arrow keys are better for some people.
It's also how I know your hypothesis is wrong:
WASD is better for EVERYONE.
I know I'm not as good, and I know I enjoy it less when I'm forced to use WASD. That's how I know YOUR hypothesis is wrong and MINE is correct.
I don't even need to find one other person who agrees with me, even though they exist and have spoken in this thread. I am the exception that breaks your rule.
WASD is better than arrow keys. I know, because I
Thanks for that anecdotal report. You've convinced me beyond doubt that WASD is better
for you.
Well, that's nice, but how about you actually read the post instead of picking a couple phrases to quote out of context.
I'm still not gonna switch, nor will I advocate that the sizable minority that
choose to change the defaults to arrows should stop.
We will still have to agree to disagree that WASD is better
for everyone.
Once again, I have no doubt it is better for you, and I (unlike some) have NEVER tried to make the case that my way is better
for everyone.
Originally posted by: peritusONE
OP, quit trying to troll. You have basically 3 options. You said money wasn't an option.
If you are going to accuse me of trolling, at least do me the justice of reading my posts. I've said several times that price
is an obstacle for me.
You got me. I joined this forum because I wanted to troll about arrows vs WASD. It really had nothing to do with my OP. :roll:
Original intent does not preclude current action.
Originally posted by: peritusONE
It doesn't matter what anybody says, it's dependent on preference to each individual. It's like arguing what the best color for a car is.
Corectamundo!
Like I said before: please do me the justice of reading my posts if you want to respond with accusations.
I've never said arrows are better than WASD. I've said the arrows are better
FOR ME. (e.g. "I like silver cars.")
Originally posted by: FuriousJorge
The arrow keys are better for <some people.
This hypothesis nicely explains the sizeable minority of FPS gamers that
choose to change the defaults to arrows. I guess that made too much sense, because the counterargument has always been:
Originally posted by: Sahakiel
WASD <is better than arrow keys
That is a totally unqualified universal statement. I learned in school that these are almost universally wrong.
So, I'm a troll that you just happen to agree with, then?
In that case, I'm glad we find ourselves in agreement.
Thanks for playing.
Actually, it's backed by solid reasoning, which hardly makes it unqualified. You would know that if you were actually, you know, reading, instead of rephrasing every rebuttal as an attack.
On the other hand, your hypotheses has been picked apart repeatedly.
You guys act like I have something against WASD. As I've said a million times, I WISH I could be as good with WASD as with arrows. I've tried really hard to make it work, because a few games don't bind well to the keys around the arrows. It would make my life so much easier.
I didn't choose to be better with arrows just to argue in this thread, anymore than someone would chose to be left-handed because they enjoy the challenge of finding left-handed scissors.
I've always agreed that WASD is better for you, and for most people. Why can't we agree to disagree on whether it is the best way for me? Why is that such a threatening concept? :roll:
Why do you keep going back to thinking it's a personal attack against you? Why do you think everyone else here somehow feels threatened? Because strawmen are hallmarks of terrible debating.
It's not a question of how you or anyone else feels. It's a simple logical proof.
Why do we not have keyboard replacements? Already addressed: Low market demand to cover development and manufacturing cost. Current keyboard/mouse combination is "good enough."
Why is the keyboard/mouse the primary input method for most games? Already addressed. Every personal computer comes with both. Developers can either cater to the mainstream or try to eke out enough profit from niche.
Why is WASD the default setup for most fps? Already addressed. It provides more keybinding than the previous default setup (arrow keys) without sacrificing advantages. Human brains are bad at learning unrelated information so using the same setup across games provides better results than having two setups, one for low keybind counts, one for high keybind counts.
Why do some people use arrows still? Already addressed. They just feel better about it or they first learned on arrows and dislike change.
Why do some people do worse with WASD? Already addressed. Humans have a learning curve. The stronger the dislike, the slower the ramp and the lower the upper limit. Harboring a dislike for the learning process hinders the learning.
Why shouldn't one setup be superior for one player and not the other? It doesn't. Mathematically speaking, one method will always be better, similar to golf swings. Failure to succeed doesn't mean the method is wrong, it simply means the player failed to follow the method correctly. We don't work on golf swings for fun, it's to get the player as close to perfect swing as possible. We don't advocate WASD over arrow just for fun (well, I suspect a few do), we advocate it because logic has proven it provides advantages over arrow setups without introducing disadvantages.
Now that I think about it, the original topic of this thread has already been addressed. The keybinding issue, though somewhat related, has taken up far too much real estate. The fact that you have missed addressing at least three easily assailable counterpoints brings up two possibilities: either you're not reading or you're purposefully ignoring. Whatever the issue, logical reasoning is lost on you when you ignore intermediate steps. Personal preference plays a role in likes and dislikes. However, to make a terrible analogy, just because you prefer to drive cars with automatic transmission doesn't mean you wouldn't drive better if it were a manual.
You are welcome to again bring up how I feel "threatened," since I have the feeling you'd do so anyway (three strikes?). You are more than welcome to continue exploring other hardware input options. Most replacements on the market are superior to any keyboard setup for many of the same reasons why WASD is default. As for me, I find little reason to continue discussing a topic when the other side isn't listening and I'm finding myself having to repeat previous statements (some not my own, either) that neatly disprove some of your latest remarks but for some reason were ignored.
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