Key House Democrat Formally Asks For Trump's Tax Returns

[Greenman]

Don’t worry, I understand it. His tax returns will include income from a large number of LLCs, each of which has its own tax documents. You then look at those tax documents to look at who is paying those, which is probably a bunch of other LLCs, etc. It’s simply the first step in unraveling the web of shit that Trump is likely involved in.

We both agree that Trump appears likely to have engaged in criminal tax fraud in the past, right? The evidence on that is pretty strong. Do you honestly think he stopped committing tax fraud after he got his dad’s money? Does that seem likely to you?

Again though, all that aside, shouldn’t we as a nation absolutely demand that we know who is putting money in the president’s pocket? Shouldn’t we have laws that mandate total disclosure?

Now you're talking about an audit, that's a whole different animal than releasing his returns.

Edit: I don't know if Trump has committed tax fraud in the past. If he did, I assume the IRS is looking into it.
I'm not convinced by things that "everyone knows". Everyone knew that Trump was in bed with the Russians, the top 4 news outlets ran 8500 articles on it over the last two years. We all knew beyond any reasonable doubt that he was guilty, until they couldn't find enough evidence to charge him.
I don't like Trump, but I'm well past the hysterical claims that everything he's ever done is a crime.

 

[emperus]

What is this argument about? I thought Trump wanted to release his taxes but couldn't because they were under audit. The Dems are merely helping him.

 

[Moonbeam]

I don't think you understand what will be in his tax return. If you were to look at my tax return you wouldn't be able to tell where my income came from. Not one single cent of it.

You are self employed and work for other people, people like Trump, who never pay what people like you contracted for beyond what it would cost you to sue them for. Do you think somebody like that with such a record of this wouldn't declare what he owes paying you but doesn't as real expenses? My bet is that if what I say about Trump and the history I have heard is true, he would be at the top of your human scum list. The thing I despise about Trump which I could be wrong about but doubt that is as, is that he especially screws building contractors in the same occupation as you. I think he should be #1 on your shit list of worthless people. He prays on people who have neither the time or the money to sue because his father left him both the money and the moral degeneracy to do so.

 

[fskimospy]

Now you're talking about an audit, that's a whole different animal than releasing his returns.

Not talking about an audit, talking about the release of his returns.

Edit: I don't know if Trump has committed tax fraud in the past. If he did, I assume the IRS is looking into it.
I'm not convinced by things that "everyone knows".

I didn’t say anything about everyone knowing things. If you haven’t read this NYT article please do and then come back and tell me you don’t think he committed tax fraud.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/10/02/us/politics/donald-trump-tax-schemes-fred-trump.html

Everyone knew that Trump was in bed with the Russians, the top 4 news outlets ran 8500 articles on it over the last two years. We all knew beyond any reasonable doubt that he was guilty, until they couldn't find enough evidence to charge him.

Huh? This is a bizarre straw man. No one said they knew beyond a reasonable doubt that Trump was guilty of a crime. Where did you get this from?

What people did say was that his campaign colluded with the Russians and that’s impossible to argue against considering the publicly available evidence. When your own son, son in law, and campaign manager meet with people who say they are representatives of the Russian government trying to collude with you that’s game, set, and match.

I don't like Trump, but I'm well past the hysterical claims that everything he's ever done is a crime.

Literally no one argues this so I don’t understand why you would try to make a straw man like that.

 

[ch33zw1z]

If there's nothing to see, wonder what all the fuss is about? Kinda odd to fight so hard over nothing, kinda like all the lies wrt to Russian communications.

 

[darkswordsman17]

Matt Yglesias mentioned something very interesting, that Republicans are furiously defending Trump’s cover up but they don’t even know what it is that they’re helping him hide. It could be really bad!

I have a hunch they know, because its also covering up for them. That's why they're doing it, their asses will be on the line next if this spurs further investigation into how much foreign entities have been working with Republicans to dictate American policy (in a very non-transparent manner). Hell, some of their asses already got nabbed, and I think that's just the start of things if Americans were to suddenly go, wait, WTF is going on? and demand answers.

I've posited it before, but the Republicans were freaking the fuck out over Turmp (who had been saying he was going to expose DC and the politicians), but once he got in bed with the Russians, the Republicans completely flipped and got massively onboard, with McCain (who had been openly critical of Russia) being one of the few that stuck to griping about Turmp.

Whatever it was, its enough that Romney flipped as well (which makes me wonder if his whole thing wasn't part of a plan to give both us and Russia a reason to spend money building up military, much the same way Reagan did; but it gave Putin and Russia good reason to justify an aggressive buildup and diversion for the Russian people from the fleecing that Putin and the oligarchs do to them; its particularly interesting that Romeny was focused on military buildup as the response to Russia, when that was not the danger they posed - at least to us which Obama called out correctly; which in hindsight, isn't it interesting how quickly Russia ramped up their intelligence stuff, considering they were "In like Flynn", seems like we should be looking into what all was going on - straight up, did conservatives compromise our intelligence community to help Putin and Russia? Did they do the same for Netanyahu and Israel?).

 

[darkswordsman17]

Not talking about an audit, talking about the release of his returns.



I didn’t say anything about everyone knowing things. If you haven’t read this NYT article please do and then come back and tell me you don’t think he committed tax fraud.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/10/02/us/politics/donald-trump-tax-schemes-fred-trump.html



Huh? This is a bizarre straw man. No one said they knew beyond a reasonable doubt that Trump was guilty of a crime. Where did you get this from?

What people did say was that his campaign colluded with the Russians and that’s impossible to argue against considering the publicly available evidence. When your own son, son in law, and campaign manager meet with people who say they are representatives of the Russian government trying to collude with you that’s game, set, and match.



Literally no one argues this so I don’t understand why you would try to make a straw man like that.

Considering Fern has gone out if his way to defend pretty much everything Turmp does, its pretty obvious why he's trying to spin this.

Kinda like our resident "expert" that knows jack shit about business or seemingly tax filing, these clowns are trying to just muddy things up to make it so that average people that aren't bothering to get informed to doubt that this is anything more than just the inverse partisan shit that the Republicans pulled with Obama.

 

[darkswordsman17]

If there's nothing to see, wonder what all the fuss is about? Kinda odd to fight so hard over nothing, kinda like all the lies wrt to Russian communications.

Now you see why the Republicans acted the same way about Obama's birth certificate. To average people the situations look the same and its just partisan bullshit. That's why they've pulled so many of their shenanigans. They know its bullshit and that just about everyone (that isn't already onboard with them) can see it, but its because when the Democrats do it for legitimate things, it looks like just a clapback partisan stuff so that idiots will think "both sides" and that's why they feed their idiots to try and call "both sides" when they can't defend their behavior.

 

[ivwshane]

Do you really expect to see a line item on Trumps tax returns labeled "bribes"?

The belief that there is a smoking gun in returns filed with the IRS is absurd.

We are unlikely to find anything with just trumps tax returns but if we look at the tax returns of his businesses, you bet your ass we'll find something.

Are you of the opinion that trump isn't corrupt as fuck?

 

[bbhaag]

what fuckery is this?

When I read his post I had the same thought. WTF difference does it make if this investigation is taxpayer funded or DOJ funded because they are one in the same. Who does he think funds the DOJ? lol
It makes me wonder if some people just can't connect the dots when it comes where our government gets its money from.

As far as the OT is concerned. The Dems had their Ken Starr moment with the Mueller investigation and after a couple years it looks like it didn't reveal much if anything. It certainly didn't prove that the President collaborated with Russia to undermine the electoral process of the United States.
This whole tax return demand seems like another desperate attempt at undermining the President.

 

[Luna1968]

When I read his post I had the same thought. WTF difference does it make if this investigation is taxpayer funded or DOJ funded because they are one in the same. Who does he think funds the DOJ? lol
It makes me wonder if some people just can't connect the dots when it comes where our government gets its money from.

As far as the OT is concerned. The Dems had their Ken Starr moment with the Mueller investigation and after a couple years it looks like it didn't reveal much if anything. It certainly didn't prove that the President collaborated with Russia to undermine the electoral process of the United States.
This whole tax return demand seems like another desperate attempt at undermining the President.

yup the mueller was a big nutthin burger so lets start up the tax return bullshit again. smh

 

[ivwshane]

When I read his post I had the same thought. WTF difference does it make if this investigation is taxpayer funded or DOJ funded because they are one in the same. Who does he think funds the DOJ? lol
It makes me wonder if some people just can't connect the dots when it comes where our government gets its money from.

As far as the OT is concerned. The Dems had their Ken Starr moment with the Mueller investigation and after a couple years it looks like it didn't reveal much if anything. It certainly didn't prove that the President collaborated with Russia to undermine the electoral process of the United States.
This whole tax return demand seems like another desperate attempt at undermining the President.

Oh you've seen the Mueller report? I'll take a link please!

 

[Jhhnn]

As far as the OT is concerned. The Dems had their Ken Starr moment with the Mueller investigation and after a couple years it looks like it didn't reveal much if anything. It certainly didn't prove that the President collaborated with Russia to undermine the electoral process of the United States.

As if you've actually read the report.

 

[ivwshane]

yup the mueller was a big nutthin burger so lets start up the tax return bullshit again. smh

Yes, multiple indictments, guilty pleas, and convictions, and campaign finance fraud, all are nothing.

Had this been Hillary, some right wing nut job would have already attempted to kill her and congressional Republicans would have been on their fourteenth investigation.

Fuck off TDS (trump dick sucker).

 

[bbhaag]

Oh you've seen the Mueller report? I'll take a link please!

Do I need to see the report? Do you really think that if the sitting President of the United States had conspired with a foreign government to change the outcome of an election that it would remain a secret for long? Especially a President like Trump.haha No way man no fucking way. It would get leaked so fucking fast to every media outlet on the planet.

 

[fskimospy]

Do I need to see the report? Do you really think that if the sitting President of the United States had conspired with a foreign government to change the outcome of an election that it would remain a secret for long? Especially a President like Trump.haha No way man no fucking way. It would get leaked so fucking fast to every media outlet on the planet.

Hmm. What do you think about this?

https://www.politicususa.com/2019/0...lling-evidence-of-trump-russia-collusion.html

 

[Jhhnn]

Do I need to see the report? Do you really think that if the sitting President of the United States had conspired with a foreign government to change the outcome of an election that it would remain a secret for long? Especially a President like Trump.haha No way man no fucking way. It would get leaked so fucking fast to every media outlet on the planet.

You posit conjecture as fact. If a report totally exonerated such a President then there would be no basis for redactions other than those agreed to by congressional committees.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Mulvaney said today the Democrats will never see Trump's tax returns and that's because the law protects privacy. Of course he pays no attention to the real law which says that the President and the Executive Branch have no say in the matter and there is no exemptions. Time for the House to man up and give two weeks to the IRS to comply or arrest and imprison those who do not do their lawful duty.

 

[fskimospy]

Mulvaney said today the Democrats will never see Trump's tax returns and that's because the law protects privacy. Of course he pays no attention to the real law which says that the President and the Executive Branch have no say in the matter and there is no exemptions. Time for the House to man up and give two weeks to the IRS to comply or arrest and imprison those who do not do their lawful duty.

What’s funny is that it’s the same law. Like, exactly the same law. US code 26 6103 that establishes that tax returns should be confidential is the same law that says ‘except to Congress when it asks for them’.

 

[kage69]

Federal employees, never mind the corruption, the conflicts of interest, the partisan cronyism for just a moment. Are you willing to go down with the ship that is ok using you and your families as hostages?

Trump and his thralls think he is above Congressional oversight. It must suck to be that dumb.

 

[Fern]

Mulvaney said today the Democrats will never see Trump's tax returns and that's because the law protects privacy. Of course he pays no attention to the real law which says that the President and the Executive Branch have no say in the matter and there is no exemptions. Time for the House to man up and give two weeks to the IRS to comply or arrest and imprison those who do not do their lawful duty.

I think Mulvaney is referring to the 4th: "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects..".

I suppose Mulvaney is implying they'll take it to the SCOTUS, assuming they'll agree to hear the case.

And I doubt Congress has the ability to arrest and imprison people. I can't think of an example where they've done it before and am too busy to google it ATM.

Fern

 

[fskimospy]

I think Mulvaney is referring to the 4th: "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects..".

I suppose Mulvaney is implying they'll take it to the SCOTUS, assuming they'll agree to hear the case.

How would the 4th amendment possibly apply to the government asking another branch of the government for information that a citizen already voluntarily submitted to the government? Who is being searched?

I’m sure Trump will fight tooth and nail to prevent any disclosure of his finances despite repeatedly lying and said he would be fine with releasing his tax returns. He has no case though, the law is perfectly clear.

And I doubt Congress has the ability to arrest and imprison people. I can't think of an example where they've done it before and am too busy to google it ATM.

Fern

Congress most certainly has the ability to arrest and imprison people, they just basically never use it. What would be far more likely in this case is that any Trump official refusing to comply with the law would be found in contempt of court.

What could be interesting after that is if Trump directs his justice department not to enforce the contempt citations. Then we have a constitutional crisis. In a sane world this would lead to conservatives revolting against him and removing him from office. Instead I suspect conservatives will join him in undermining the law and the constitution.

 

[brycejones]

I think Mulvaney is referring to the 4th: "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects..".

I suppose Mulvaney is implying they'll take it to the SCOTUS, assuming they'll agree to hear the case.

And I doubt Congress has the ability to arrest and imprison people. I can't think of an example where they've done it before and am too busy to google it ATM.

Fern

Lap it up.

 

[Fern]

-snip- What would be far more likely in this case is that any Trump official refusing to comply with the law would be found in contempt of court.

What could be interesting after that is if Trump directs his justice department not to enforce the contempt citations. Then we have a constitutional crisis. In a sane world this would lead to conservatives revolting against him and removing him from office. Instead I suspect conservatives will join him in undermining the law and the constitution.

I think it's "contempt of Congress", not contempt of court. And we went through that with Eric Holder and nothing happened.

Fern

 

[fskimospy]

I think it's "contempt of Congress", not contempt of court. And we went through that with Eric Holder and nothing happened.

Fern

No, it would be contempt of court. The Secretary is required by law to provide Trump’s returns to congress. If he refuses to then congress will take him to court and the court will order him to do it. If he still refuses then the court can fine or imprison him to make him comply.