umbrella39
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Originally posted by: Condor
Originally posted by: umbrella39
Now please kindly go reunite with your bridge. I hear she gets lonly when you leave to come here and post. Perhaps you should see if the cable company would run a line under the bridge so you don't ever have to leave?
Didn't understand that.
How ironic... in an IQ thread no less...
Originally posted by: SickBeast
25/100 is a PASS?
I wish my school was like that.
When your dad bribes the people giving the test even a 1 can be passing.
No more so than most of the press we see today. Everyone has a side and most support it. What he reports though, is a matter of public record. The AFQT scores are listed on most 214's. They were a percentile of the individual tested when compared against all of the previous scores done nationally. During the Vietnam era, the bottom got pretty low because of the drafting of the less than 10,000's. Most of the stuff I read was published prior to the announcement of Kerry as a nominee. He didn't look good back then either.
Which guard test? The AFQT was the general standards test and from the posting, he had to get a string of 90's and 95's on it. There were four catagories that the AFQT tested in.
Originally posted by: umbrella39
Originally posted by: Condor
Originally posted by: umbrella39
Didn't understand that.
How ironic... in an IQ thread no less...
Idiosyncratic does not relate to IQ, but requires a common history or standards set. Apparently, Umbrella39 and I simply don't have that. Somehow, I am relieved!
Of course he's credible. Far more credible than someone who has no first hand knowledge of his subject using non-standardized tests filtered through his obvious right wing bias for Bush.
Hmmmm....
President Bush has a high I.Q, higher than Senator Kerry, but doesn't utilize it. Interesting life pattern there!
Senator Kerry has a high I.Q., but lower than President Bush, and has pushed himself all his life to achieve. Better life pattern there.
Thanks... one more plus in Senator Kerry's column and a big minus in President Bush's column.
President Bush has a high I.Q, higher than Senator Kerry, but doesn't utilize it. Interesting life pattern there!
Senator Kerry has a high I.Q., but lower than President Bush, and has pushed himself all his life to achieve. Better life pattern there.
Thanks... one more plus in Senator Kerry's column and a big minus in President Bush's column.
If credible was the standard, there would be nothing published on either side. Did you watch Fahrenheit 911? Was it credible? The scores that he bases his article on are credible and a matter of record.
"IQ expert" says it all. That's like being an economist, isn't it? Or, perhaps Madame LeFarge who reads my palm? How does the IQ expert know that Bush actually took the SAT test and didn't pay someone to take it for him? And, what proof does he offer that the AFQT then being given was comparable to a "legitimate" IQ exam? I actually scored higher on my GCT by 11 points than I did on my 9th grade IQ exam (then administered by the state). 142 vs. 131. That's a huge differential.
This guy is a political hack who is straining credulity to reach an unfirm conclusion. And, even if his entire thesis were sound, why do we care what intelligence the two candidates possessed 30 years ago?
Regardless, Bush is NOW certifiably dumber than a box of rocks.
-Robert
This guy is a political hack who is straining credulity to reach an unfirm conclusion. And, even if his entire thesis were sound, why do we care what intelligence the two candidates possessed 30 years ago?
Regardless, Bush is NOW certifiably dumber than a box of rocks.
-Robert
Jeff7
Lifer
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Stuttering is different. I had a teacher who stuttered every few sentences - but she'd just repeat the first sound of a word a few times.
Bush uses completely incorrect or out of place words, and does so on a very regular basis, enough so to fill up a few of those "Bushism" calendars. And heck, there's the term for it too - Bushism, no stutter.
Oh, and something else. This guy Sailer isn't so pretty smart himself. He uses the present tense instead of the accurate past tense. "If anything, Bush is smarter than Kerry." [sic]
-Robert
-Robert
What does F9/11 have to do with the OP?
The credibility of Bush's Harvard professor isn't the point. Address the points made in the Salon article.
Read some of these quotes. Early signs of what Bush has become. Is this the kind of person we want as president?
"He showed pathological lying habits and was in denial when challenged on his prejudices and biases. He would even deny saying something he just said 30 seconds ago. He was famous for that. Students jumped on him; I challenged him." When asked to explain a particular comment, said Tsurumi, Bush would respond, "Oh, I never said that."
Bush once sneered at Tsurumi for showing the film "The Grapes of Wrath," based on John Steinbeck's novel of the Depression. "We were in a discussion of the New Deal, and he called Franklin Roosevelt's policies 'socialism.' He denounced labor unions, the Securities and Exchange Commission, Medicare, Social Security, you name it. He denounced the civil rights movement as socialism. To him, socialism and communism were the same thing. And when challenged to explain his prejudice, he could not defend his argument, either ideologically, polemically or academically."
Students who challenged and embarrassed Bush in class would then become the subject of a whispering campaign by him, Tsurumi said. "In class, he couldn't challenge them. But after class, he sometimes came up to me in the hallway and started bad-mouthing those students who had challenged him. He would complain that someone was drinking too much. It was innuendo and lies. So that's how I knew, behind his smile and his smirk, that he was a very insecure, cunning and vengeful guy."
In 1973, as the oil and energy crisis raged, Tsurumi led a discussion on
whether government should assist retirees and other people on fixed incomes with heating costs. Bush, he recalled, "made this ridiculous statement and when I asked him to explain, he said, 'The government doesn't have to help poor people - because they are lazy.' I said, 'Well, could you explain that assumption?' Not only could he not explain it, he started backtracking on it, saying, 'No, I didn't say that.'"
"I used to chat up a number of students when we were walking back to
class," Tsurumi said. "Here was Bush, wearing a Texas Guard bomber jacket, and the draft was the No. 1 topic in those days. And I said, 'George, what did you do with the draft?' He said, 'Well, I got into the Texas Air National Guard.' And I said, 'Lucky you. I understand there is a long waiting list for it. How'd you get in?' When he told me, he didn't seem
ashamed or embarrassed. He thought he was entitled to all kinds of
privileges and special deals. He was not the only one trying to twist all
their connections to avoid Vietnam. But then, he was fanatically for the
war."
The credibility of Bush's Harvard professor isn't the point. Address the points made in the Salon article.
Read some of these quotes. Early signs of what Bush has become. Is this the kind of person we want as president?
"He showed pathological lying habits and was in denial when challenged on his prejudices and biases. He would even deny saying something he just said 30 seconds ago. He was famous for that. Students jumped on him; I challenged him." When asked to explain a particular comment, said Tsurumi, Bush would respond, "Oh, I never said that."
Bush once sneered at Tsurumi for showing the film "The Grapes of Wrath," based on John Steinbeck's novel of the Depression. "We were in a discussion of the New Deal, and he called Franklin Roosevelt's policies 'socialism.' He denounced labor unions, the Securities and Exchange Commission, Medicare, Social Security, you name it. He denounced the civil rights movement as socialism. To him, socialism and communism were the same thing. And when challenged to explain his prejudice, he could not defend his argument, either ideologically, polemically or academically."
Students who challenged and embarrassed Bush in class would then become the subject of a whispering campaign by him, Tsurumi said. "In class, he couldn't challenge them. But after class, he sometimes came up to me in the hallway and started bad-mouthing those students who had challenged him. He would complain that someone was drinking too much. It was innuendo and lies. So that's how I knew, behind his smile and his smirk, that he was a very insecure, cunning and vengeful guy."
In 1973, as the oil and energy crisis raged, Tsurumi led a discussion on
whether government should assist retirees and other people on fixed incomes with heating costs. Bush, he recalled, "made this ridiculous statement and when I asked him to explain, he said, 'The government doesn't have to help poor people - because they are lazy.' I said, 'Well, could you explain that assumption?' Not only could he not explain it, he started backtracking on it, saying, 'No, I didn't say that.'"
"I used to chat up a number of students when we were walking back to
class," Tsurumi said. "Here was Bush, wearing a Texas Guard bomber jacket, and the draft was the No. 1 topic in those days. And I said, 'George, what did you do with the draft?' He said, 'Well, I got into the Texas Air National Guard.' And I said, 'Lucky you. I understand there is a long waiting list for it. How'd you get in?' When he told me, he didn't seem
ashamed or embarrassed. He thought he was entitled to all kinds of
privileges and special deals. He was not the only one trying to twist all
their connections to avoid Vietnam. But then, he was fanatically for the
war."
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