kerry's Cuba stance...now...and before...

[CADsortaGUY]

Is kerry as tough on Castro as he says he is(now)?

"''I'm pretty tough on Castro, because I think he's running one of the last vestiges of a Stalinist secret police government in the world,''
"And I voted for the Helms-Burton legislation to be tough on companies that deal with him.''

Ooops - wait a minute - no you didn't. Are you lying mr.kerry?

Cuban Liberty and Democratic Solidarity (LIBERTAD) Act of 1996

Hmm...more of the "foragainst" doctine coming to light here?

CkG

 

[CaptnKirk]

I was 16 years old in High School when the Cuba/Castro went down.
Was supposed to have been a garden spot in the Carribean.

Government after Government has stood against this Tyrant.
Who is just now just a toothless old man.

Open Cuba back to the United States for trade, we're only cheating ourselves.
How much longer will he live - and why did we choose to let him live anyway,
with all the others we have removed since 1959, too many to count.

We just let him fester 90 miles off the East Coast, a reminder to ourselves
of how bad something can be. It became our Poster Child for Bad.
PsyOps against them as well as our own society, our 'Designated Evil'.

 

[LordMagnusKain]

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
I was 16 years old in High School when the Cuba/Castro went down.
Was supposed to have been a garden spot in the Carribean.

Government after Government has stood against this Tyrant.
Who is just now just a toothless old man.

Open Cuba back to the United States for trade, we're only cheating ourselves.
How much longer will he live - and why did we choose to let him live anyway,
with all the others we have removed since 1959, too many to count.

We just let him fester 90 miles off the East Coast, a reminder to ourselves
of how bad something can be. It became our Poster Child for Bad.
PsyOps against them as well as our own society, our 'Designated Evil'.

I blame Jonson.

 

[arsbanned]

I think we should immediately drop sanctions and open up trade... I want my cigars!!!!

 

[LordMagnusKain]

Originally posted by: arsbanned
I think we should immediately drop sanctions and open up trade... I want my cigars!!!!

as soon as they go to a fair-trading market economy.

 

[CaptnKirk]

I blame Jonson.

How ? The President was Eisenhower.
Why not blame Washington, or Taft.

 

[heartsurgeon]

CAD you ossified neo-conservative reactionary....

you are so concrete in your thinking, and utterly lacking in nuance.....

according to the Kerry aides, when discussing Sen. Kerry's position on the Helms-Burton Bill:

Kerry aides told Wallsten that Kerry voted against the final bill because he disagreed with some technicalities added at the last minute, but that he voted for an earlier version of the bill.

Obviously Kerry must have felt that the earlier version of the bill was "tough on the companies that deal with him" while the final version was not!
Mon Dieu!

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
CAD you ossified neo-conservative reactionary....

you are so concrete in your thinking, and utterly lacking in nuance.....

according to the Kerry aides, when discussing Sen. Kerry's position on the Helms-Burton Bill:

Kerry aides told Wallsten that Kerry voted against the final bill because he disagreed with some technicalities added at the last minute, but that he voted for an earlier version of the bill.

Obviously Kerry must have felt that the earlier version of the bill was "tough on the companies that deal with him" while the final version was not!
Mon Dieu!

Thanks

CkG

 

[arsbanned]

John Kerry Clear on Cuba

REPUBLICAN FICTION: John Kerry misstated his own position on Cuba, saying that he voted for Helms Burton when he didn't.

FACT: In 1995 John Kerry voted twice for the Helms Burton law; but voted against it on final passage in 1996 when House Republicans insisted on an unworkable lawsuit provision that would clog our courts and prevent some claims from ever being settled. He preferred to support the existing international claims tribunals. Since passing the law, the lawsuit provision has never gone into effect because the Bush administration, and the Clinton administration before it has blocked it from taking effect. The Miami Herald, which favored passage of Cuban sanctions at the time, called the lawsuit provisions "perverse." [Editorial, Miami Herald, 10/20/1995]

John Kerry has supported strong measures to bring democracy to Cuba, including sanctions against Cuba, companies that do business with Cuba and foreign countries that do business with Cuba.
...

Continued....

The Facts in case you're interested....

 

[Red Dawn]

America's greatest weapon against Communism and totalitirian regimes is Democracy and our way of life. If we continue to isolate Cuba how will we be able to use our greatest weapons against Castro?

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: arsbanned

John Kerry Clear on Cuba

REPUBLICAN FICTION: John Kerry misstated his own position on Cuba, saying that he voted for Helms Burton when he didn't.

FACT: In 1995 John Kerry voted twice for the Helms Burton law; but voted against it on final passage in 1996 when House Republicans insisted on an unworkable lawsuit provision that would clog our courts and prevent some claims from ever being settled. He preferred to support the existing international claims tribunals. Since passing the law, the lawsuit provision has never gone into effect because the Bush administration, and the Clinton administration before it has blocked it from taking effect. The Miami Herald, which favored passage of Cuban sanctions at the time, called the lawsuit provisions "perverse." [Editorial, Miami Herald, 10/20/1995]

John Kerry has supported strong measures to bring democracy to Cuba, including sanctions against Cuba, companies that do business with Cuba and foreign countries that do business with Cuba.
...

Continued....

The Facts in case you're interested....

Right

nice excuses. Doesn't fit though. You can't have it both ways all the time kerry. You've been caught and the people of Florida will see you for who you are. A vote pandering, waffling, liberal from Massachusetts.


CkG

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: arsbanned

John Kerry Clear on Cuba

REPUBLICAN FICTION: John Kerry misstated his own position on Cuba, saying that he voted for Helms Burton when he didn't.

FACT: In 1995 John Kerry voted twice for the Helms Burton law; but voted against it on final passage in 1996 when House Republicans insisted on an unworkable lawsuit provision that would clog our courts and prevent some claims from ever being settled. He preferred to support the existing international claims tribunals. Since passing the law, the lawsuit provision has never gone into effect because the Bush administration, and the Clinton administration before it has blocked it from taking effect. The Miami Herald, which favored passage of Cuban sanctions at the time, called the lawsuit provisions "perverse." [Editorial, Miami Herald, 10/20/1995]

John Kerry has supported strong measures to bring democracy to Cuba, including sanctions against Cuba, companies that do business with Cuba and foreign countries that do business with Cuba.
...

Continued....

The Facts in case you're interested....

Right

nice excuses. Doesn't fit though. You can't have it both ways all the time kerry. You've been caught and the people of Florida will see you for who you are. A vote pandering, waffling, liberal from Massachusetts.


CkG

Is Kerry The President???

 

[xochi]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: arsbanned

John Kerry Clear on Cuba

REPUBLICAN FICTION: John Kerry misstated his own position on Cuba, saying that he voted for Helms Burton when he didn't.

FACT: In 1995 John Kerry voted twice for the Helms Burton law; but voted against it on final passage in 1996 when House Republicans insisted on an unworkable lawsuit provision that would clog our courts and prevent some claims from ever being settled. He preferred to support the existing international claims tribunals. Since passing the law, the lawsuit provision has never gone into effect because the Bush administration, and the Clinton administration before it has blocked it from taking effect. The Miami Herald, which favored passage of Cuban sanctions at the time, called the lawsuit provisions "perverse." [Editorial, Miami Herald, 10/20/1995]

John Kerry has supported strong measures to bring democracy to Cuba, including sanctions against Cuba, companies that do business with Cuba and foreign countries that do business with Cuba.
...

Continued....

The Facts in case you're interested....

Right

nice excuses. Doesn't fit though. You can't have it both ways all the time kerry. You've been caught and the people of Florida will see you for who you are. A vote pandering, waffling, liberal from Massachusetts.


CkG

Is Kerry The President???

he will be after the November elections.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: arsbanned

John Kerry Clear on Cuba

REPUBLICAN FICTION: John Kerry misstated his own position on Cuba, saying that he voted for Helms Burton when he didn't.

FACT: In 1995 John Kerry voted twice for the Helms Burton law; but voted against it on final passage in 1996 when House Republicans insisted on an unworkable lawsuit provision that would clog our courts and prevent some claims from ever being settled. He preferred to support the existing international claims tribunals. Since passing the law, the lawsuit provision has never gone into effect because the Bush administration, and the Clinton administration before it has blocked it from taking effect. The Miami Herald, which favored passage of Cuban sanctions at the time, called the lawsuit provisions "perverse." [Editorial, Miami Herald, 10/20/1995]

John Kerry has supported strong measures to bring democracy to Cuba, including sanctions against Cuba, companies that do business with Cuba and foreign countries that do business with Cuba.
...

Continued....

The Facts in case you're interested....

Right

nice excuses. Doesn't fit though. You can't have it both ways all the time kerry. You've been caught and the people of Florida will see you for who you are. A vote pandering, waffling, liberal from Massachusetts.


CkG

Is Kerry The President???

Yeah dave - Bush is from Massachusetts

And xochi - he'll only be President of Eggo waffle campaign agency.

CkG

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: arsbanned

John Kerry Clear on Cuba

REPUBLICAN FICTION: John Kerry misstated his own position on Cuba, saying that he voted for Helms Burton when he didn't.

FACT: In 1995 John Kerry voted twice for the Helms Burton law; but voted against it on final passage in 1996 when House Republicans insisted on an unworkable lawsuit provision that would clog our courts and prevent some claims from ever being settled. He preferred to support the existing international claims tribunals. Since passing the law, the lawsuit provision has never gone into effect because the Bush administration, and the Clinton administration before it has blocked it from taking effect. The Miami Herald, which favored passage of Cuban sanctions at the time, called the lawsuit provisions "perverse." [Editorial, Miami Herald, 10/20/1995]

John Kerry has supported strong measures to bring democracy to Cuba, including sanctions against Cuba, companies that do business with Cuba and foreign countries that do business with Cuba.
...

Continued....

The Facts in case you're interested....

Right

nice excuses. Doesn't fit though. You can't have it both ways all the time kerry. You've been caught and the people of Florida will see you for who you are. A vote pandering, waffling, liberal from Massachusetts.


CkG

Aww...sorry, CkG. Does the truth really hurt you that badly?

Poor baby.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: arsbanned

John Kerry Clear on Cuba

REPUBLICAN FICTION: John Kerry misstated his own position on Cuba, saying that he voted for Helms Burton when he didn't.

FACT: In 1995 John Kerry voted twice for the Helms Burton law; but voted against it on final passage in 1996 when House Republicans insisted on an unworkable lawsuit provision that would clog our courts and prevent some claims from ever being settled. He preferred to support the existing international claims tribunals. Since passing the law, the lawsuit provision has never gone into effect because the Bush administration, and the Clinton administration before it has blocked it from taking effect. The Miami Herald, which favored passage of Cuban sanctions at the time, called the lawsuit provisions "perverse." [Editorial, Miami Herald, 10/20/1995]

John Kerry has supported strong measures to bring democracy to Cuba, including sanctions against Cuba, companies that do business with Cuba and foreign countries that do business with Cuba.
...

Continued....

The Facts in case you're interested....

Right

nice excuses. Doesn't fit though. You can't have it both ways all the time kerry. You've been caught and the people of Florida will see you for who you are. A vote pandering, waffling, liberal from Massachusetts.


CkG

Aww...sorry, CkG. Does the truth really hurt you that badly?

Poor baby.

Aww...poor baby - does the FACT that kerry voted against the bill and then lied about his vote on it hurt you that badly you have to apologize for his position(s?)?

Kerry did not vote for the Act - he may have voted for parts of it through the process but one thing is 100% true and that is that he voted AGAINST the Helms-Burton law. Hmm... kerry lying? Naw...it's just nuance...

CkG

 

[conjur]

Kerry opposed the Republican-added lawsuit provision. Very simple. Sorry he didn't agree with your agenda. BTW, CkG...here's the Roll Call Vote on that legislation:

Roll Call Vote:
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=104&session=1&vote=00494

Question: On Passage of the Bill (H.R.927 as Amended )
Vote Number: 494 Vote Date: October 19, 1995, 05:09 PM
Required For Majority: 1/2 Vote Result: Bill Passed
Measure Number: H.R. 927 (Cuban Liberty and Democratic Solidarity (LIBERTAD) Act of 1996 )
Measure Title: A bill to seek international sanctions against the Castro government in Cuba, to plan for support of a transition government leading to a democratically elected government in Cuba, and for other purposes.

Kerry (D-MA), Yea

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: conjur
Kerry opposed the Republican-added lawsuit provision. Very simple. Sorry he didn't agree with your agenda. BTW, CkG...here's the Roll Call Vote on that legislation:

Roll Call Vote:
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=104&session=1&vote=00494

Question: On Passage of the Bill (H.R.927 as Amended )
Vote Number: 494 Vote Date: October 19, 1995, 05:09 PM
Required For Majority: 1/2 Vote Result: Bill Passed
Measure Number: H.R. 927 (Cuban Liberty and Democratic Solidarity (LIBERTAD) Act of 1996 )
Measure Title: A bill to seek international sanctions against the Castro government in Cuba, to plan for support of a transition government leading to a democratically elected government in Cuba, and for other purposes.

Kerry (D-MA), Yea

HERE is the vote that matters - you know...the one that becomes LAW. kerry = nay

No excuses - he voted AGAINST the Helms-Burton Act. He can try to make excuses all he wants about why and what-not but it doesn't change the FACT he voted against it. Wonderful spin though Conjur, McAwful would be proud.

CkG

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: conjur
Kerry opposed the Republican-added lawsuit provision. Very simple. Sorry he didn't agree with your agenda. BTW, CkG...here's the Roll Call Vote on that legislation:

Roll Call Vote:
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=104&session=1&vote=00494

Question: On Passage of the Bill (H.R.927 as Amended )
Vote Number: 494 Vote Date: October 19, 1995, 05:09 PM
Required For Majority: 1/2 Vote Result: Bill Passed
Measure Number: H.R. 927 (Cuban Liberty and Democratic Solidarity (LIBERTAD) Act of 1996 )
Measure Title: A bill to seek international sanctions against the Castro government in Cuba, to plan for support of a transition government leading to a democratically elected government in Cuba, and for other purposes.

Kerry (D-MA), Yea

HERE is the vote that matters - you know...the one that becomes LAW. kerry = nay

No excuses - he voted AGAINST the Helms-Burton Act. He can try to make excuses all he wants about why and what-not but it doesn't change the FACT he voted against it. Wonderful spin though Conjur, McAwful would be proud.

CkG

And that's exactly what Kerry has said. He voted FOR the original version of the bill but AGAINST the version modified by the Republicans. What is your problem with understanding that?

There were 21 others voting Nay on the final bill, including 4 Republicans.

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: conjur
Kerry opposed the Republican-added lawsuit provision. Very simple. Sorry he didn't agree with your agenda. BTW, CkG...here's the Roll Call Vote on that legislation:

Roll Call Vote:
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=104&session=1&vote=00494

Question: On Passage of the Bill (H.R.927 as Amended )
Vote Number: 494 Vote Date: October 19, 1995, 05:09 PM
Required For Majority: 1/2 Vote Result: Bill Passed
Measure Number: H.R. 927 (Cuban Liberty and Democratic Solidarity (LIBERTAD) Act of 1996 )
Measure Title: A bill to seek international sanctions against the Castro government in Cuba, to plan for support of a transition government leading to a democratically elected government in Cuba, and for other purposes.

Kerry (D-MA), Yea

HERE is the vote that matters - you know...the one that becomes LAW. kerry = nay

No excuses - he voted AGAINST the Helms-Burton Act. He can try to make excuses all he wants about why and what-not but it doesn't change the FACT he voted against it. Wonderful spin though Conjur, McAwful would be proud.

CkG

And that's exactly what Kerry has said. He voted FOR the original version of the bill but AGAINST the version modified by the Republicans. What is your problem with understanding that?

There were 21 others voting Nay on the final bill, including 4 Republicans.

Of course he voted against it. He's got to serve the special interest groups, right? Can't have his lawyer buddies ceasing contributions...

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: conjur
Kerry opposed the Republican-added lawsuit provision. Very simple. Sorry he didn't agree with your agenda. BTW, CkG...here's the Roll Call Vote on that legislation:

Roll Call Vote:
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=104&session=1&vote=00494

Question: On Passage of the Bill (H.R.927 as Amended )
Vote Number: 494 Vote Date: October 19, 1995, 05:09 PM
Required For Majority: 1/2 Vote Result: Bill Passed
Measure Number: H.R. 927 (Cuban Liberty and Democratic Solidarity (LIBERTAD) Act of 1996 )
Measure Title: A bill to seek international sanctions against the Castro government in Cuba, to plan for support of a transition government leading to a democratically elected government in Cuba, and for other purposes.

Kerry (D-MA), Yea

HERE is the vote that matters - you know...the one that becomes LAW. kerry = nay

No excuses - he voted AGAINST the Helms-Burton Act. He can try to make excuses all he wants about why and what-not but it doesn't change the FACT he voted against it. Wonderful spin though Conjur, McAwful would be proud.

CkG

And that's exactly what Kerry has said. He voted FOR the original version of the bill but AGAINST the version modified by the Republicans. What is your problem with understanding that?

There were 21 others voting Nay on the final bill, including 4 Republicans.

spin spin spin - kerry did not vote for anything that did anything to Castro in regards to this topic. He actually voted against it while claiming he is "tough on Casto". He is a lying "foragainst" elitsist from Mass. The people of Florida will see how he voted against that bill. He can't have this both ways.

CkG

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: conjur
Kerry opposed the Republican-added lawsuit provision. Very simple. Sorry he didn't agree with your agenda. BTW, CkG...here's the Roll Call Vote on that legislation:

Roll Call Vote:
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=104&session=1&vote=00494

Question: On Passage of the Bill (H.R.927 as Amended )
Vote Number: 494 Vote Date: October 19, 1995, 05:09 PM
Required For Majority: 1/2 Vote Result: Bill Passed
Measure Number: H.R. 927 (Cuban Liberty and Democratic Solidarity (LIBERTAD) Act of 1996 )
Measure Title: A bill to seek international sanctions against the Castro government in Cuba, to plan for support of a transition government leading to a democratically elected government in Cuba, and for other purposes.

Kerry (D-MA), Yea

HERE is the vote that matters - you know...the one that becomes LAW. kerry = nay

No excuses - he voted AGAINST the Helms-Burton Act. He can try to make excuses all he wants about why and what-not but it doesn't change the FACT he voted against it. Wonderful spin though Conjur, McAwful would be proud.

CkG

And that's exactly what Kerry has said. He voted FOR the original version of the bill but AGAINST the version modified by the Republicans. What is your problem with understanding that?

There were 21 others voting Nay on the final bill, including 4 Republicans.

spin spin spin - kerry did not vote for anything that did anything to Castro in regards to this topic. He actually voted against it while claiming he is "tough on Casto". He is a lying "foragainst" elitsist from Mass. The people of Florida will see how he voted against that bill. He can't have this both ways.

CkG

Information on the bill as voted YEA by Kerry

Got any more lies to sell CkG?

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: conjur
Kerry opposed the Republican-added lawsuit provision. Very simple. Sorry he didn't agree with your agenda. BTW, CkG...here's the Roll Call Vote on that legislation:

Roll Call Vote:
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=104&session=1&vote=00494

Question: On Passage of the Bill (H.R.927 as Amended )
Vote Number: 494 Vote Date: October 19, 1995, 05:09 PM
Required For Majority: 1/2 Vote Result: Bill Passed
Measure Number: H.R. 927 (Cuban Liberty and Democratic Solidarity (LIBERTAD) Act of 1996 )
Measure Title: A bill to seek international sanctions against the Castro government in Cuba, to plan for support of a transition government leading to a democratically elected government in Cuba, and for other purposes.

Kerry (D-MA), Yea

HERE is the vote that matters - you know...the one that becomes LAW. kerry = nay

No excuses - he voted AGAINST the Helms-Burton Act. He can try to make excuses all he wants about why and what-not but it doesn't change the FACT he voted against it. Wonderful spin though Conjur, McAwful would be proud.

CkG

And that's exactly what Kerry has said. He voted FOR the original version of the bill but AGAINST the version modified by the Republicans. What is your problem with understanding that?

There were 21 others voting Nay on the final bill, including 4 Republicans.

spin spin spin - kerry did not vote for anything that did anything to Castro in regards to this topic. He actually voted against it while claiming he is "tough on Casto". He is a lying "foragainst" elitsist from Mass. The people of Florida will see how he voted against that bill. He can't have this both ways.

CkG

Information on the bill as voted YEA by Kerry

Got any more lies to sell CkG?

Only debunking yours and john "foragainst" kerry's claims he was tough on Casto

It doesn't matter what you voted for if you didn't follow through and actually VOTE IT INTO LAW. Got that yet Conjur? He said he voted for it - which he did NOT. He was clearly trying to misrepresent his vote on this matter. The people of Florida will see right through that BS excuse you keep spouting.

CkG

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: conjur
Information on the bill as voted YEA by Kerry

Got any more lies to sell CkG?

Only debunking yours and john "foragainst" kerry's claims he was tough on Casto

It doesn't matter what you voted for if you didn't follow through and actually VOTE IT INTO LAW. Got that yet Conjur? He said he voted for it - which he did NOT. He was clearly trying to misrepresent his vote on this matter. The people of Florida will see right through that BS excuse you keep spouting.

CkG

Well, if the Republicans hadn't gone and made their amendments (provisions that have been blocked by both the Clinton *and* the Bush administrations), then Kerry would have voted YEA on the final version.

Got it yet, CkG??

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: conjur
Well, if the Republicans hadn't gone and made their amendments (provisions that have been blocked by both the Clinton *and* the Bush administrations), then Kerry would have voted YEA on the final version.

Got it yet, CkG??

So you admit he didn't vote for the bill?

Exactly - he didn't and no amount of spin from you or his campaign will change that.

CkG