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Kerry lied

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Democrat John Kerry, trying to blunt recent good news about job creation

""Twenty years ago, middle class families with one parent working used to be able to buy a home and pay for college," Kerry said in the statement. "But today, two incomes barely cover the basics."

That is a lie and some people will argue endlessly over whether Pres. Bush lied and are oh so concerned about it.

Are you as concerned when your anti-candidate lies?


I have sent my son to college, have two paid off vehicles, my house is paid off and my wife does not have a paying job. My job is middle class. It can be done.

Kerry lied.
 
so what is your job?

also: i once lied. please accept me into your political party despite this.

but really, isnt that more of a mistake than a lie? does it seem like he had a lot to gain from that? or maybe one could agrue that it is a generalization, made to drive home a point, and not a rule that will apply to every human being in america...
 
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: Orsorum
It can be done; is it the norm? How far up are you in the middle class?
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It can still be done.
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I'm not saying it's not doable. I'm asking for him to clarify his situation and position. A person earning $200,000 may be considered upper middle class, but their position is still different than one earning $56,000.
 
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: Orsorum
It can be done; is it the norm? How far up are you in the middle class?
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It can still be done.
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thats what he said.
i would also wonder if his wife had ever had an income at any time during their marriage.
or if they have some crazy hienz-style cash lying around.

these are obviously all very personal questions, but...i cant help but ask conisdering the vehemence of the OP.
 
Originally posted by: Orsorum
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: Orsorum
It can be done; is it the norm? How far up are you in the middle class?
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It can still be done.
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I'm not saying it's not doable. I'm asking for him to clarify his situation and position. A person earning $200,000 may be considered upper middle class, but their position is still different than one earning $56,000.
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Doesn't matter, Kerry said it can't be done. I am positive that I am not that only one as many other people I know have done it.

I'm a lot closer to the $56K than the $200K. My starting salary when I started working was $1400 a month. I've had a lot of raises since than. My wife did work a year or so when we first got married until we had kids. She hasn't worked since. Nope, no Heinz style money around. I had a few thousand saved up when I got out of the Navy. Parents have not given us this money. I have worked, and worked hard for what I have.




Red,
Not to distort the thread from Kerry's lie at all, but you haven't yet proved that Pres. Bush lied. Passed on faulty information, concentrated on one issue to the exclusion of all the others, yes. Lied, no.
 
Originally posted by: Orsorum
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: Orsorum
It can be done; is it the norm? How far up are you in the middle class?
Click to expand...

It can still be done.
Click to expand...

I'm not saying it's not doable. I'm asking for him to clarify his situation and position. A person earning $200,000 may be considered upper middle class, but their position is still different than one earning $56,000.
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Start 18 years ahead of time and saving for college should not be a big deal.
 
Originally posted by: etech
Originally posted by: Orsorum
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: Orsorum
It can be done; is it the norm? How far up are you in the middle class?
Click to expand...

It can still be done.
Click to expand...

I'm not saying it's not doable. I'm asking for him to clarify his situation and position. A person earning $200,000 may be considered upper middle class, but their position is still different than one earning $56,000.
Click to expand...


Doesn't matter, Kerry said it can't be done. I am positive that I am not that only one as many other people I know have done it.

I'm a lot closer to the $56K than the $200K.


Red,
Not to distort the thread from Kerry's lie at all, but you haven't yet proved that Pres. Bush lied. Passed on faulty information, concentrated on one issue to the exclusion of all the others, yes. Lied, no.
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No he lied when he said "America would not become the World's Policeman" and that"America would not get into the business of Nation Building". Both lies have eneded up costing hundreds of American Serviceman's lives and thousands of Civilians their lives.
 
Originally posted by: etech
Doesn't matter, Kerry said it can't be done. I am positive that I am not that only one as many other people I know have done it.

I'm a lot closer to the $56K than the $200K.
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My mom has done it, too, off of $56,000. But she hasn't paid for my college, nor has she paid off her car. It's not an easy thing to do, and she does find it hard to cover the basics.

I would say Kerry didn't lie so much as he generalized, and I think you're doing your best to discredit a candidate with a personal anecdote, which we all know doesn't really matter for much, as there are always exceptions, sometimes numerous ones, to a rule.
 
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: Orsorum
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: Orsorum
It can be done; is it the norm? How far up are you in the middle class?
Click to expand...

It can still be done.
Click to expand...

I'm not saying it's not doable. I'm asking for him to clarify his situation and position. A person earning $200,000 may be considered upper middle class, but their position is still different than one earning $56,000.
Click to expand...

Start 18 years ahead of time and saving for college should not be a big deal.
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Well that was random.
 
No he lied when he said "America would not become the World's Policeman" and that"America would not get into the business of Nation Building". Both lies have eneded up costing hundreds of American Serviceman's lives and thousands of Civilians their lives.
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Those statements were made before 9/11. The best laid plans must be changed when the situation changes.
 
The thread title, and indeed the original post, are really silly IMO. This isn't a "lie," because it is such a general statement that it can't really be disproven. The fact of the matter is that it's a lot harder to buy a home in a major city today than it was 20-30 years ago.
 
Originally posted by: etech
No he lied when he said "America would not become the World's Policeman" and that"America would not get into the business of Nation Building". Both lies have eneded up costing hundreds of American Serviceman's lives and thousands of Civilians their lives.
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Those statements were made before 9/11. The best laid plans must be changed when the situation changes.
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Sure in Afghanistan because they supported and let Al Qaeda run their operations from there but Iraq? It's obvious that Bush had planned on taking on Husien from day one of his Presidency. If the truth had been known he probably wouldn't have been elected.
 
Originally posted by: etech
No he lied when he said "America would not become the World's Policeman" and that"America would not get into the business of Nation Building". Both lies have eneded up costing hundreds of American Serviceman's lives and thousands of Civilians their lives.
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Those statements were made before 9/11. The best laid plans must be changed when the situation changes.
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yeah...remember how iraq attacked us on 9/11 and then we had to go in there and destroy their government and rebuild it.

i dont follow the connection...

also: you still seem to be pissed about kerry's "lie" when it has been explained more than once that it is, most probably, not a lie.
it really is a negligible comment. a generalization.
but you are trying to make it his undoing.
as though he were rubbing his hands in the corner attempting to find a way to disavow your way of life suggesting that it is not possible.

(edited for grammar)
 
If we had interest rates on mortgages and large purchases like we had in the early 80's we wouldnt be able to afford jack. Many more people would not qualify for middle income. That is certainly not a trend that started just since Bush took office.
 
"Twenty years ago, middle class families with one parent working used to be able to buy a home and pay for college," Kerry said in the statement. "But today, two incomes barely cover the basics."
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This is NOT a lie - but I don't see what Kerry will do to change it.
 
doesnt matter if he lied or not because everyone can just say that the info he got was incorrect and therefor it isnt a lie

hell I can do that with everything, the sky is green, water is dry, the man across the street is a maniac, I'm not lying just my intel was wrong
 
etech:

Kerry was off by 10 years. Twenty years ago interest rates were still pretty high.

But, ho-hum. How does this compare, on a scale of 1-10 to Bush/Cheney lying about WMD? I'd give Kerry's comment a 3 at most and Bush' '03 SOTU address a 10.

🙂

Nice try, but you might switch to tea. 🙂

-Robert
 
Originally posted by: etech
Democrat John Kerry, trying to blunt recent good news about job creation

""Twenty years ago, middle class families with one parent working used to be able to buy a home and pay for college," Kerry said in the statement. "But today, two incomes barely cover the basics."

That is a lie and some people will argue endlessly over whether Pres. Bush lied and are oh so concerned about it.

Are you as concerned when your anti-candidate lies?


I have sent my son to college, have two paid off vehicles, my house is paid off and my wife does not have a paying job. My job is middle class. It can be done.

Kerry lied.
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Yep,
Kerry could be wrong about this. If he is, I am sure he will admit to it. But what is your point? Is this a desparate effort direct attention away from someone?
 
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