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conjur

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Thanks for the post, her209.

One of the key parts I found was this:
The difference between the two men was clear during the foreign-policy debate in Florida 10 days ago. Kerry seemed dominant for much of the exchange, making clear arguments on a range of specific challenges -- the war in Iraq, negotiations with North Korea, relations with Russia. But while Kerry bore in on ground-level details, Bush, in defending his policies, seemed, characteristically, to be looking at the world from a much higher altitude, repeating in his brief and sometimes agitated statements a single unifying worldview: America is the world's great force for freedom, unsparing in its use of pre-emptive might and unstinting in its determination to stamp out tyranny and terrorism. Kerry seemed to offer no grand thematic equivalent.

To me, Bush coming from the ideological standpoint is what has caused the failure to find bin Laden and the failure of judgment to ignore Al Qaeda and, instead, divert into Iraq, spreading our military dreadfully thin. It's time for pragmatism, not ideology. Hit terrorism at the root and not picking off the leaves one-by-one with bombs and bullets.


One other point I found very interesting:
In 1988, Kerry successfully proposed an amendment that forced the Treasury Department to negotiate so-called Kerry Agreements with foreign countries. Under these agreements, foreign governments had to promise to keep a close watch on their banks for potential money laundering or they risked losing their access to U.S. markets. Other measures Kerry tried to pass throughout the 90's, virtually all of them blocked by Republican senators on the banking committee, would end up, in the wake of 9/11, in the USA Patriot Act; among other things, these measures subject banks to fines or loss of license if they don't take steps to verify the identities of their customers and to avoid being used for money laundering.

Seems Kerry really was ahead of the game, in that respect. But his efforts were thwarted by Republicans.
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: alchemize
Originally posted by: conjur
Bush doesn't want it to happen.

Kerry knows it will happen, someday.
So you agree, terrorism prior to 9/11 was just "a nuisance"?
To the average American, yes.

And that was the point of the question.

Now, will our government treat it as a nuisance? No. And I can't imagine any future administration doing so. But, the populace will eventually let terrorism shift to the backs of their minds and go back to living the American dream as we always have.

Bush would rather that not happen. He wants us all to live in fear. That any moment, a suitcase nuke will go off in our cities. Give up dissension and free thought for the State. Give up civil liberties for the sake of sneak-and-peek searched without court orders. Give it up for the State.
 

dnuggett

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Conjur these are both your quotes:

Kerry has a much firmer grasp on that concept than does Bush. Otherwise, Bush would have engaged in true diplomacy and engaged the Arab countries in dialogue to begin the move toward democracy, sans bombs and bullets.



Do you not know that Kerry has voted FOR every major military appropriation since 1997?




Hmm..... seems you are just as confused as Kerry. Both of you sepak out both ends.


Hello conjur, I'm John Kerry. Which way would you like it today?
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: dnuggett
Conjur these are both your quotes:

Kerry has a much firmer grasp on that concept than does Bush. Otherwise, Bush would have engaged in true diplomacy and engaged the Arab countries in dialogue to begin the move toward democracy, sans bombs and bullets.
Do you not know that Kerry has voted FOR every major military appropriation since 1997?

Hmm..... seems you are just as confused as Kerry. Both of you sepak out both ends.


Hello, I'm John Kerry. Which way would you like it today?
And therein lies the problem with most Bush supporters.

Why do you not see those two are agreeable statements?

What's wrong with having a strong military as a threat? Or, is the purpose of a military only to flex its might at the drop of a hat?
 

dnuggett

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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: dnuggett
Conjur these are both your quotes:

Kerry has a much firmer grasp on that concept than does Bush. Otherwise, Bush would have engaged in true diplomacy and engaged the Arab countries in dialogue to begin the move toward democracy, sans bombs and bullets.
Do you not know that Kerry has voted FOR every major military appropriation since 1997?

Hmm..... seems you are just as confused as Kerry. Both of you sepak out both ends.


Hello, I'm John Kerry. Which way would you like it today?
And therein lies the problem with most Bush supporters.

Why do you not see those two are agreeable statements?

What's wrong with having a strong military as a threat? Or, is the purpose of a military only to flex its might at the drop of a hat?

There in lies the problem with Kerry supporters. You are dilusional.

A strong military as a threat?

Kerry has voted for 7 major reductions in military funding and he has voted against Gulf War I (1991).

Voted for Gulf War II (but then criticized and voted against military appropriation for troops).

Not to mention he supported slashing $2.6 Billion from Intelligence Funding While Serving as a member of the Senate Intel Committee.


 

her209

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Thanks conjur.

Here are some key parts I thought the author wrote really well.
In 1988, Kerry successfully proposed an amendment that forced the Treasury Department to negotiate so-called Kerry Agreements with foreign countries. Under these agreements, foreign governments had to promise to keep a close watch on their banks for potential money laundering or they risked losing their access to U.S. markets. Other measures Kerry tried to pass throughout the 90's, virtually all of them blocked by Republican senators on the banking committee, would end up, in the wake of 9/11, in the USA Patriot Act; among other things, these measures subject banks to fines or loss of license if they don't take steps to verify the identities of their customers and to avoid being used for money laundering.

Through his immersion in the global underground, Kerry made connections among disparate criminal and terrorist groups that few other senators interested in foreign policy were making in the 90's. Richard A. Clarke, who coordinated security and counterterrorism policy for George W. Bush and Bill Clinton, credits Kerry with having seen beyond the national-security tableau on which most of his colleagues were focused. ''He was getting it at the same time that people like Tony Lake were getting it, in the '93 -'94 time frame,'' Clarke says, referring to Anthony Lake, Clinton's national security adviser. ''And the 'it' here was that there was a new nonstate-actor threat, and that nonstate-actor threat was a blended threat that didn't fit neatly into the box of organized criminal, or neatly into the box of terrorism. What you found were groups that were all of the above.''

In other words, Kerry was among the first policy makers in Washington to begin mapping out a strategy to combat an entirely new kind of enemy. Americans were conditioned, by two world wars and a long standoff with a rival superpower, to see foreign policy as a mix of cooperation and tension between civilized states. Kerry came to believe, however, that Americans were in greater danger from the more shadowy groups he had been investigating -- nonstate actors, armed with cellphones and laptops -- who might detonate suitcase bombs or release lethal chemicals into the subway just to make a point. They lived in remote regions and exploited weak governments. Their goal wasn't to govern states but to destabilize them.

The challenge of beating back these nonstate actors -- not just Islamic terrorists but all kinds of rogue forces -- is what Kerry meant by ''the dark side of globalization.'' He came closest to articulating this as an actual foreign-policy vision in a speech he gave at U.C.L.A. last February. ''The war on terror is not a clash of civilizations,'' he said then. ''It is a clash of civilization against chaos, of the best hopes of humanity against dogmatic fears of progress and the future.''

This stands in significant contrast to the Bush doctrine, which holds that the war on terror, if not exactly a clash of civilizations, is nonetheless a struggle between those states that would promote terrorism and those that would exterminate it. Bush, like Kerry, accepts the premise that America is endangered mainly by a new kind of adversary that claims no state or political entity as its own. But he does not accept the idea that those adversaries can ultimately survive and operate independently of states; in fact, he asserts that terrorist groups are inevitably the subsidiaries of irresponsible regimes. ''We must be prepared to stop rogue states and their terrorist clients,'' the National Security Strategy said, in a typical passage, ''before they are able to threaten or use weapons of mass destruction against the United States and our allies and friends.''

By singling out three states in particular- Iraq, North Korea and Iran -- as an ''axis of evil,'' and by invading Iraq on the premise that it did (or at least might) sponsor terrorism, Bush cemented the idea that his war on terror is a war against those states that, in the president's words, are not with us but against us. Many of Bush's advisers spent their careers steeped in cold-war strategy, and their foreign policy is deeply rooted in the idea that states are the only consequential actors on the world stage, and that they can -- and should -- be forced to exercise control over the violent groups that take root within their borders.

Kerry's view, on the other hand, suggests that it is the very premise of civilized states, rather than any one ideology, that is under attack. And no one state, acting alone, can possibly have much impact on the threat, because terrorists will always be able to move around, shelter their money and connect in cyberspace; there are no capitals for a superpower like the United States to bomb, no ambassadors to recall, no economies to sanction. The U.S. military searches for bin Laden, the Russians hunt for the Chechen terrorist Shamil Basayev and the Israelis fire missiles at Hamas bomb makers; in Kerry's world, these disparate terrorist elements make up a loosely affiliated network of diabolical villains, more connected to one another by tactics and ideology than they are to any one state sponsor. The conflict, in Kerry's formulation, pits the forces of order versus the forces of chaos, and only a unified community of nations can ensure that order prevails.

One can infer from this that if Kerry were able to speak less guardedly, in a less treacherous atmosphere than a political campaign, he might say, as some of his advisers do, that we are not in an actual war on terror. Wars are fought between states or between factions vying for control of a state; Al Qaeda and its many offspring are neither. If Kerry's foreign-policy frame is correct, then law enforcement probably is the most important, though not the only, strategy you can employ against such forces, who need passports and bank accounts and weapons in order to survive and flourish. Such a theory suggests that, in our grief and fury, we have overrated the military threat posed by Al Qaeda, paradoxically elevating what was essentially a criminal enterprise, albeit a devastatingly sophisticated and global one, into the ideological successor to Hitler and Stalin -- and thus conferring on the jihadists a kind of stature that might actually work in their favor, enabling them to attract more donations and more recruits.

The neo-conservatives have advanced a viral theory of democracy. In their view, establishing a model democracy in the Arab world, by force if necessary, no matter how many years and lives it takes, would ultimately benefit not only the people of that country but also America too. A free and democratic Iraq, to take the favorite example, will cause the people of other repressive countries in the region to rise up and demand American-style freedom, and these democratic nations will no longer be breeding pools for nihilistic terrorists. Like so much of Bush's policy, this kind of thinking harks directly back to the cold war. The domino theory that took hold during the 1950's maintained that an ideological change in one nation -- ''going'' communist or democratic -- could infect its neighbor; it was based in part on the idea that ideologies could be contagious.

Bush crystallized the new incarnation of this idea in his convention speech last month, notable for the unapologetic sweep and clarity of its vision. ''The terrorists know that a vibrant, successful democracy at the heart of the Middle East will discredit their radical ideology of hate,'' the president said. ''I believe in the transformational power of liberty. As the citizens of Afghanistan and Iraq seize the moment, their example will send a message of hope throughout a vital region. Palestinians will hear the message that democracy and reform are within their reach, and so is peace with our good friend Israel. Young women across the Middle East will hear the message that their day of equality and justice is coming. Young men will hear the message that national progress and dignity are found in liberty, not tyranny and terror.''

Kerry, too, envisions a freer and more democratic Middle East. But he flatly rejects the premise of viral democracy, particularly when the virus is introduced at gunpoint. ''In this administration, the approach is that democracy is the automatic, easily embraced alternative to every ill in the region,'' he told me. Kerry disagreed. ''You can't impose it on people,'' he said. ''You have to bring them to it. You have to invite them to it. You have to nurture the process.''

Those who know Kerry say this belief is in part a reaction to his own experience in Vietnam, where one understanding of the domino theory (''if Vietnam goes communist, all of Asia will fall'') led to the death of 58,000 Americans, and another (''the South Vietnamese crave democracy'') ran up against the realities of life in a poor, long-war-ravaged country. The people of Vietnam, Kerry found, were susceptible neither to the dogma of communism nor the persuasiveness of American ''liberation.'' As the young Kerry said during his 1971 testimony to the Senate Foreign Relations Committee: ''We found most people didn't even know the difference between communism and democracy. They only wanted to work in rice paddies without helicopters strafing them and bombs with napalm burning their villages and tearing their country apart. They wanted everything to do with the war, particularly with this foreign presence of the United States of America, to leave them alone in peace.''

''We need to engage more directly and more respectfully with Islam, with the state of Islam, with religious leaders, mullahs, imams, clerics, in a way that proves this is not a clash with the British and the Americans and the old forces they remember from the colonial days,'' Kerry told me during a rare break from campaigning, in Seattle at the end of August. ''And that's all about your diplomacy.''

When I suggested that effecting such changes could take many years, Kerry shook his head vehemently and waved me off.

''Yeah, it is long-term, but it can be dramatically effective in the short term. It really can be. I promise you.'' He leaned his head back and slapped his thighs. ''A new presidency with the right moves, the right language, the right outreach, the right initiatives, can dramatically alter the world's perception of us very, very quickly.

He would begin, if sworn into office, by going immediately to the United Nations to deliver a speech recasting American foreign policy. Whereas Bush has branded North Korea ''evil'' and refuses to negotiate head on with its authoritarian regime, Kerry would open bilateral talks over its burgeoning nuclear program. Similarly, he has said he would rally other nations behind sanctions against Iran if that country refuses to abandon its nuclear ambitions. Kerry envisions appointing a top-level envoy to restart the Middle East peace process, and he's intent on getting India and Pakistan to adopt key provisions of the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty. (One place where Kerry vows to take a harder line than Bush is Pakistan, where Bush has embraced the military ruler Pervez Musharraf, and where Kerry sees a haven for chaos in the vast and lawless region on the border with Afghanistan.) In all of this, Kerry intends to use as leverage America's considerable capacity for economic aid; a Kerry adviser told me, only slightly in jest, that Kerry's most tempting fantasy is to attend the G-8 summit.

Kerry's view, that the 21st century will be defined by the organized world's struggle against agents of chaos and lawlessness, might be the beginning of a compelling vision. The idea that America and its allies, sharing resources and using the latest technologies, could track the movements of terrorists, seize their bank accounts and carry out targeted military strikes to eliminate them, seems more optimistic and more practical than the notion that the conventional armies of the United States will inevitably have to punish or even invade every Islamic country that might abet radicalism.

And yet, you can understand why Kerry has been so tentative in advancing this idea. It's comforting to think that Al Qaeda might be as easily marginalized as a bunch of drug-running thugs, that an ''effective'' assault on its bank accounts might cripple its twisted campaign against Americans. But Americans are frightened -- an emotion that has benefited Bush, and one that he has done little to dissuade -- and many of them perceive a far more existential threat to their lives than the one Kerry describes. In this climate, Kerry's rather dry recitations about money-laundering laws and intelligence-sharing agreements can sound oddly discordant. We are living at a time that feels historically consequential, where people seem to expect -- and perhaps deserve -- a theory of the world that matches the scope of their insecurity.

 

conjur

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Originally posted by: dnuggett
Originally posted by: conjur
And therein lies the problem with most Bush supporters.

Why do you not see those two are agreeable statements?

What's wrong with having a strong military as a threat? Or, is the purpose of a military only to flex its might at the drop of a hat?
There in lies the problem with Kerry supporters. You are dilusional [sic].

A strong military as a threat?

Kerry has voted for 7 major reductions in military funding and he has voted against Gulf War I (1991).

Voted for Gulf War II (but then criticized and voted against military appropriation for troops).

Not to mention he supported slashing $2.6 Billion from Intelligence Funding While Serving as a member of the Senate Intel Committee.
Do you not read? I posted this earlier in the thread:

Did Kerry Oppose Tanks & Planes? Not Lately
http://www.factcheck.org/article.aspx@docID=147.html


And, read these, too:

More Bush Distortions of Kerry Defense Record
http://www.factcheck.org/article.aspx@docID=177.html

Pro-Bush group repeats misleading attacks on Kerry's defense record.
http://www.factcheck.org/article.aspx@docID=209.html

Bush Strains Facts Re: Kerry's Plan To Cut Intelligence Funding in '90's
http://www.factcheck.org/article.aspx@DocID=153
President claims 1995 Kerry plan would "gut" the intelligence services. It was a 1% cut, and key Republicans approved something similar.
 

Zebo

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Originally posted by: dnuggett
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: dnuggett
Conjur these are both your quotes:

Kerry has a much firmer grasp on that concept than does Bush. Otherwise, Bush would have engaged in true diplomacy and engaged the Arab countries in dialogue to begin the move toward democracy, sans bombs and bullets.
Do you not know that Kerry has voted FOR every major military appropriation since 1997?

Hmm..... seems you are just as confused as Kerry. Both of you sepak out both ends.


Hello, I'm John Kerry. Which way would you like it today?
And therein lies the problem with most Bush supporters.

Why do you not see those two are agreeable statements?

What's wrong with having a strong military as a threat? Or, is the purpose of a military only to flex its might at the drop of a hat?

There in lies the problem with Kerry supporters. You are dilusional.

A strong military as a threat?

Kerry has voted for 7 major reductions in military funding and he has voted against Gulf War I (1991).

Voted for Gulf War II (but then criticized and voted against military appropriation for troops).

Not to mention he supported slashing $2.6 Billion from Intelligence Funding While Serving as a member of the Senate Intel Committee.


So what? Read what some real conservatives said about foriegn entanglements sometime. Like eisenhower and just about everyone of them before nixon won the electon including him.

BTW folks the defense budget is twice what you were told


http://www.independent.org/newsroom/article.asp?id=1253


Conservatives, always throwing money at a problem thinking it'll fix it:p
 

dnuggett

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Ok, finished reading. If we are gonna play the "my news story is better than yours game, here's what I've pulled straight from yours with regard to the intel issue. I haven't the time to go through them all tonight.

As reported on March 15 , it?s accurate to say that Kerry "voted against billions" for intelligence spending, and did so a year after the 1993 World Trade Center bombing. But that was a time that even many Republicans were coming to the conclusion that intelligence spending could safely be scaled back because the Cold War was over.

What Kerry voted for in 1994 was an amendment that he himself had proposed, which included a cut in intelligence funding of $1 billion in 1994, and to cap spending at that level through 1998. That would amount to a $5-billion cut over five years, somewhere between 3% and 4% of estimated US intelligence spending at the time.

The Kerry amendment was a comprehensive deficit-reduction package that also targeted a variety of other cuts, including reductions in programs for agriculture, commerce and administration. Kerry's amendment went down to defeat with only 20 votes in favor.
 

BaliBabyDoc

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Terrorism is a nuisance.

The 15 leading causes of death in 2001:
heart disease
cancer
stroke
chronic lower respiratory disease
accidents
diabetes
pneumonia/flu
Alzheimer's disease
kidney disease
septicemia (blood infection)
suicide
chronic liver disease
homicide
high blood pressure
aspiration pneumonia

Homicide moved from 14th to 13th due to 9/11.

We still travel by air, although security is a nuisance. Business is pretty much normal in NYC. I pretty much echo the sentiment that the real threat has come from Bush Leaguers' response to 9/11. Civil liberties are "optional". International accords are "optional." It isn't all that surprising that "cooperation" from other countries is largely "optional." Although the threat from terrorism has increased during the Bush Blight of 2001-2004, the war on terror is a sideshow . . . not the main event.

National Center for Health Statistics
 

dannybin1742

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totally taken out of context as usual

here would be a good example

kerry says "oh my god"

bush campaign spins it that he was renouncing faith
 

chess9

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That is a gross mischaracterization of what he said, but I'm not surprised that you would repeat it as gospel truth.

-Robert
 

SViscusi

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Originally posted by: ntdz
another Kerryism.

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...10/ap_on_el_pr/kerry_3

Bush Campaign is going to capitalize on it:

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOL...erry.terror/index.html

He just agree's with Bush 41's NSA and Bush 43's appointee to the Forum for Internation Security Brent Scowcroft who said

"There will not be a treaty signed aboard the battleship Missouri, but we can break its back so that it is only a horrible nuisance and not a paralyzing influence on our societies."

Link
 

Darkhawk28

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Didn't Bush recently state that we could never defeat terrorism but bring it down to the point where it makes it very hard for them to strike?

Is Bush and his supporters flip-flopping on this issue?

Kerry just said what Bush was reluctant to do. Seems like a flip-flop to me.

 

conjur

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Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Didn't Bush recently state that we could never defeat terrorism but bring it down to the point where it makes it very hard for them to strike?

Is Bush and his supporters flip-flopping on this issue?

Kerry just said what Bush was reluctant to do. Seems like a flip-flop to me.

And that's apparently the basis for Kerry's response ad.

Bush's quote that we cannot win the war on terror.



I'd like to see Kerry hit back about that "you can run but you can't hide" comment with something like, "Osama bin Laden can run and he can hide. Well enough that the President has failed to track him down after more than three years. Osama has hidden himself so well that the Bush administration never even mentions his name anymore."
 

Darkhawk28

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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Didn't Bush recently state that we could never defeat terrorism but bring it down to the point where it makes it very hard for them to strike?

Is Bush and his supporters flip-flopping on this issue?

Kerry just said what Bush was reluctant to do. Seems like a flip-flop to me.

And that's apparently the basis for Kerry's response ad.

Bush's quote that we cannot win the war on terror.



I'd like to see Kerry hit back about that "you can run but you can't hide" comment with something like, "Osama bin Laden can run and he can hide. Well enough that the President has failed to track him down after more than three years. Osama has hidden himself so well that the Bush administration never even mentions his name anymore."


Kerry needs to hit Bush with a flip-flop label as well. He needs to bring up more of Bush's flip-flops.
 

Darkhawk28

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Kerry needs to hit Bush with a flip-flop label as well. He needs to bring up more of Bush's flip-flops.

You mean Catastrophic Failures

I mean something a whole lot worse, but it would probably get me banned. :evil:
 

chowderhead

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That GWB ad is a gross distortion of what Kerry has said. Of course I expect nothing else.
Notice in the ad they used the "..." three times to distort what Kerry actually said. You can string anywords together if you put ... between them.

Kerry responds rightfully so with GWB's quote saying he believes we cannot win the war on terror.

How about an ad where I quote GWB "I couldn't disagree more," Bush said. "Our goal is not to reduce terror ... Our goal is to defeat ... freedom and liberty around the world."
GWB distorts Kerry's words:roll:
 

tomford

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The Bush campaign reminds me of one of those especially nasty kids we all remember from the school playground who would always find something wrong with what his latest target had said. It's ugly.
 

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Originally posted by: Ozoned


[rant]
Ok, I will do that by emphasizing the flaw in Kerry's thinking. He, along with his following, can't even recognize that the root of the problem is the religion of Islam and what it has spawned.
It would be a catastrophic error for Kerry to assume that the doctrine encompassing Islam can go back to the way it was before 9/11.

[*]There is not an option of rollback of Islam any longer. The expansion of Islam in the world will not permit it.
[*]Islam has or is on the verge of gaining the weapons the we have created.
[*]Islam has wealth and they are once again competitive on the world stage of power.

We must be willing to reconcile: what we intend to do, -vs- the options that Islam gives to us. Kerry can plan all he wants, but those that believe Islam will not oppose those plans are the ones that are insane.

Quite simply, Islam only intends to give us two choices in the end.

Submit or die. There is the "nuisance" that needs to be addressed.

The minds that we must free are the ones that know Islam and are not permitted to know anything else.


[/end rant]


I hope to every form of god that you are being sarcastic....that is some scary stuff you just said and I believe that this sort of prejudice should NOT be allowed here on the AT forums. This is not a war on Islam, nor their culture, they are GOOD people too. There are extremists in every culture and nationality and the whole religion should not be looked down upon because of what the minority have done. Example: The KKK, a number of messed up white people. Should the world look down on everyone that is white cause there are a few jackasses that think they are superior? Your prejudice is not welcome here by me, and probably some fellow members here.
 

ntdz

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Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
Terrorism is a nuisance.

The 15 leading causes of death in 2001:
heart disease
cancer
stroke
chronic lower respiratory disease
accidents
diabetes
pneumonia/flu
Alzheimer's disease
kidney disease
septicemia (blood infection)
suicide
chronic liver disease
homicide
high blood pressure
aspiration pneumonia

Homicide moved from 14th to 13th due to 9/11.

We still travel by air, although security is a nuisance. Business is pretty much normal in NYC. I pretty much echo the sentiment that the real threat has come from Bush Leaguers' response to 9/11. Civil liberties are "optional". International accords are "optional." It isn't all that surprising that "cooperation" from other countries is largely "optional." Although the threat from terrorism has increased during the Bush Blight of 2001-2004, the war on terror is a sideshow . . . not the main event.

National Center for Health Statistics

terrorism is more than just about death. Look at what happened after 9/11. 1 MILLION jobs lost a month after 9/11. It creates doubt and hurts the economy. It helps to contribute to high gas prises. It cost three times as many lives as the Iraq war has. It changed our country. Septicemia and aspiration pneumonia don't change anything. Terrorism is our number one priority, for many different reasons.
 

arsbanned

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I think people will see through the Repubs attempt to distort the facts. This could backfire on Cheney and his monkey boy Bush.