Ken Shamrock vs. Kimbo Slice - Oct. 4th EliteXC event

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QueBert

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Originally posted by: randay
Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: randay
Originally posted by: Juddog
I compared Kimbo with Rashad because they both are hungry and willing to train as hard as they need to in order to get what they want.

rashad is like kimbo in so far as not being in the top 30 but having potential. liddel is on his way out, and shamrock is already way gone. the sport is evolving, there are fighters who are at the head of the evolution and then there are fighters who are just along for the ride, like rashad and kimbo. they are both good strikers but have a lot to learn and a long way to travel before they are referred to as "the best pound for pound"-anythings.

actually Rashad is ranked in the top 10 of the world. HE is going to be fighting Griffin for the championship soon.

and this should be a hell of a fight. but i give the edge to Griffin.

he hasnt earned it yet in my eyes. a win over forest might put him in there, but just barely...

lol and what did Forest do, besides beat an injured Shogun? Forrest didn't deserve a title shot - but he got one any ways. Not saying Forrest isn't a great fighter, but with losses to Jardine & Tito, I'm not sure how a KO over Shogun gives you an automatic title shot. Jardine deserved one by beating Liddell pretty soundly.

Evans Vs Forrest will be 2 people fighting for a belt that neither should even have a shot at (yet)
 

RagingBITCH

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Originally posted by: QueBert
Originally posted by: randay
Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: randay
Originally posted by: Juddog
I compared Kimbo with Rashad because they both are hungry and willing to train as hard as they need to in order to get what they want.

rashad is like kimbo in so far as not being in the top 30 but having potential. liddel is on his way out, and shamrock is already way gone. the sport is evolving, there are fighters who are at the head of the evolution and then there are fighters who are just along for the ride, like rashad and kimbo. they are both good strikers but have a lot to learn and a long way to travel before they are referred to as "the best pound for pound"-anythings.

actually Rashad is ranked in the top 10 of the world. HE is going to be fighting Griffin for the championship soon.

and this should be a hell of a fight. but i give the edge to Griffin.

he hasnt earned it yet in my eyes. a win over forest might put him in there, but just barely...

lol and what did Forest do, besides beat an injured Shogun? Forrest didn't deserve a title shot - but he got one any ways. Not saying Forrest isn't a great fighter, but with losses to Jardine & Tito, I'm not sure how a KO over Shogun gives you an automatic title shot. Jardine deserved one by beating Liddell pretty soundly.

Evans Vs Forrest will be 2 people fighting for a belt that neither should even have a shot at (yet)

Jardine got beat by Houston. He still has a ways to work his way back up in the division. No one cares to see Jardine as champion anyway. UFC makes title shots based on where's the money at.

And where's all the "Kimbo is the best" people at anyway? He got his ass handed to him in striking. Against who? You can say "everyone has their bad days/gets caught"...you don't get caught by someone who is unprepared to fight and weighs 30lbs less than you do. Kimbo losing was the worst thing that could happen to him and to Elite XC. I guess we can all root for Affliction as the only true competitor to the UFC now.
 

Capt Caveman

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Originally posted by: Juddog
I love how so many people dismiss Kimbo... people keep forgetting he's training under Bas Rutten. His ground game is still weak but it's getting better, and I can't think of anybody better to train Kimbo than Bas. So many people in so many forums constantly diss Kimbo it's getting old already. Kimbo has some wild potential; he's trimmed down to 235 from 270 lbs and he's a lot more lean now than he was back in the street fighting days. His speed has gone up and he's learning, and his street fighting days gave him a concrete chin so anybody that attempts the striking game with him is going to have a very hard time. Watching his fight with Tank Abbott, people kept talking about how strong Abbott was and how if one of Abbott's haymakers connects that Kimbo would be out. In the actual fight Abbott hit Kimbo 2-3 times square in the jaw and Kimbo just shrugged it off.

Kimbo also has the hunger that fighting in the street brings. That hunger, that willpower, is what will allow him to continue to grow stronger and faster. I still wouldn't put him in the top 10 fighter list, but he is approaching top ten territory and if he keeps up that level of training with Bas, then he very well may achieve it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgcCUTw6MUs

For the record I see him knocking out Shamrock.

:laugh:
 

cKGunslinger

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Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Originally posted by: Juddog
I love how so many people dismiss Kimbo... people keep forgetting he's training under Bas Rutten. His ground game is still weak but it's getting better, and I can't think of anybody better to train Kimbo than Bas. So many people in so many forums constantly diss Kimbo it's getting old already. Kimbo has some wild potential; he's trimmed down to 235 from 270 lbs and he's a lot more lean now than he was back in the street fighting days. His speed has gone up and he's learning, and his street fighting days gave him a concrete chin so anybody that attempts the striking game with him is going to have a very hard time. Watching his fight with Tank Abbott, people kept talking about how strong Abbott was and how if one of Abbott's haymakers connects that Kimbo would be out. In the actual fight Abbott hit Kimbo 2-3 times square in the jaw and Kimbo just shrugged it off.

Kimbo also has the hunger that fighting in the street brings. That hunger, that willpower, is what will allow him to continue to grow stronger and faster. I still wouldn't put him in the top 10 fighter list, but he is approaching top ten territory and if he keeps up that level of training with Bas, then he very well may achieve it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgcCUTw6MUs

For the record I see him knocking out Shamrock.

:laugh:

:thumbsup:
 

Genx87

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Haha I havent been keeping up with the fights but thought it was around this time. I check Kimbo's wiki and see he lost to some 205 pound dude that agreed to fight an hour before the fight lmao. The guy was probably working the fast food counter and got the beeper. Off to fight Kimbo, beat him up in 14 seconds, then back to his late night job within the hour.

So I have to wonder if they will continue to push Kimbo considering his previous fight was was ended uber dubious circumstances after a night of being pummeled. And this one he loses in 14 seconds to somebody they called up an hour before the match hahaha.
 

Oceandevi

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Originally posted by: Genx87
Haha I havent been keeping up with the fights but thought it was around this time. I check Kimbo's wiki and see he lost to some 205 pound gay dude that agreed to fight an hour before the fight lmao. The guy was probably working the fast food counter and got the beeper. Off to fight Kimbo, beat him up in 14 seconds, then back to his late night job within the hour.

So I have to wonder if they will continue to push Kimbo considering his previous fight was was ended uber dubious circumstances after a night of being pummeled. And this one he loses in 14 seconds to somebody they called up an hour before the match hahaha.

fixed

 

QueBert

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Originally posted by: Genx87
Haha I havent been keeping up with the fights but thought it was around this time. I check Kimbo's wiki and see he lost to some 205 pound dude that agreed to fight an hour before the fight lmao. The guy was probably working the fast food counter and got the beeper. Off to fight Kimbo, beat him up in 14 seconds, then back to his late night job within the hour.

So I have to wonder if they will continue to push Kimbo considering his previous fight was was ended uber dubious circumstances after a night of being pummeled. And this one he loses in 14 seconds to somebody they called up an hour before the match hahaha.

Kimbo made $500k for this fight, and Bas still insists he has talent just needs more training. Kimbo is still one of, if not the largest draws in MMA, outside of maybe Liddell & Lesnar nobody is more well known. My mom knows who Kimbo is, and she couldn't tell you what MMA stands for, and couldn't name 1 more fighter.

EXC will push Kimbo just as hard now, the majority of people who liked Kimbo before will want to see him come back and get revenge on the dude who beat him. People love a good comeback, think Rocky 2. Also some people don't know Seth was going to fight that night on the undercard but they bumped him up to the main event, it's not like Seth had been sitting around playing XBOX live for months and not training. He also holds records in Full Contact Karate. So he was a legit dude.

Kimbo made the mistake of rushing in against a dude he knew nothing about. If he had played it smart and felt Seth out it would have been a much different fight, even if he had still ended up loosing. Kimbo will learn from this and come back, he isn't very technical but for somebody 34 years old with 2 years of MMA training, going against dudes who are much younger and been training most of their life. He will never will win with technique.

Kimbo did take some good shots from JT, who is known for his punching power, and he didn't seem too fazed. I think JT was a better indicator of the kind of fighter Kimbo is than this one. Seth beat him, and quickly but it was a fluke brought on by Kimbo's unwillingness to feel out a new fighter. Which is a rookie mistake. If Kimbo looses again I think a good number of his fans will jump ship, but every fighter looses. And there have been plenty of fluke KO's in MMA, just none that were in the spotlight like this, Liddell Vs White comes to mind. Liddell was back pedeling and hit White with an off balance shot that looks very soft and won. If he can win some fights Kimbo will be alright, this was a learning experience for him.

 

waggy

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Originally posted by: QueBert
Originally posted by: Genx87
Haha I havent been keeping up with the fights but thought it was around this time. I check Kimbo's wiki and see he lost to some 205 pound dude that agreed to fight an hour before the fight lmao. The guy was probably working the fast food counter and got the beeper. Off to fight Kimbo, beat him up in 14 seconds, then back to his late night job within the hour.

So I have to wonder if they will continue to push Kimbo considering his previous fight was was ended uber dubious circumstances after a night of being pummeled. And this one he loses in 14 seconds to somebody they called up an hour before the match hahaha.

Kimbo made $500k for this fight, and Bas still insists he has talent just needs more training. Kimbo is still one of, if not the largest draws in MMA, outside of maybe Liddell & Lesnar nobody is more well known. My mom knows who Kimbo is, and she couldn't tell you what MMA stands for, and couldn't name 1 more fighter.

EXC will push Kimbo just as hard now, the majority of people who liked Kimbo before will want to see him come back and get revenge on the dude who beat him. People love a good comeback, think Rocky 2. Also some people don't know Seth was going to fight that night on the undercard but they bumped him up to the main event, it's not like Seth had been sitting around playing XBOX live for months and not training. He also holds records in Full Contact Karate. So he was a legit dude.

Kimbo made the mistake of rushing in against a dude he knew nothing about. If he had played it smart and felt Seth out it would have been a much different fight, even if he had still ended up loosing. Kimbo will learn from this and come back, he isn't very technical but for somebody 34 years old with 2 years of MMA training, going against dudes who are much younger and been training most of their life. He will never will win technique.

Kimbo did take some good shots from JT, who is known for his punching power, and he didn't seem too fazed. I think JT was a better indicator of the kind of fighter Kimbo is than this one. Seth beat him, and quickly but it was a fluke brought on by Kimbo's unwillingness to feel out a new fighter. Which is a rookie mistake.

are you nuts? one of the biggest draws in MMA outside of liddel and lesnar? uh no. sure he is a big draw but nowhere near the biggest. there are many bigger draws. he is a the biggest draw for EliteXC but nowhere near the biggest in MMA.


but i agree they are going to continue to push him. they really don't have a choice. they pushed him so damn hard they have to continue.

not that it matters he is NEVER going to be top ranked MMA fighter. but he is going to be a popular one.
 

torpid

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What a surprise; A technical striker defeated him. Oh wait, no it's not, I noted that possibility above. To be honest, I didn't expect a cast-off from TUF 2 to beat him so easily, but the guy is a pretty solid K-1 fighter so it's not too surprising.
 

torpid

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Originally posted by: waggy
are you nuts? one of the biggest draws in MMA outside of liddel and lesnar? uh no. sure he is a big draw but nowhere near the biggest. there are many bigger draws. he is a the biggest draw for EliteXC but nowhere near the biggest in MMA.

I have no statistics to back this up, only a hunch, but I would guess that Gina Carano has a bigger draw than Kimbo Slice.

 

waggy

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Originally posted by: torpid
Originally posted by: waggy
are you nuts? one of the biggest draws in MMA outside of liddel and lesnar? uh no. sure he is a big draw but nowhere near the biggest. there are many bigger draws. he is a the biggest draw for EliteXC but nowhere near the biggest in MMA.

I have no statistics to back this up, only a hunch, but I would guess that Gina Carano has a bigger draw than Kimbo Slice.

that wouldnt suprise me actually. she is hot and a damn good fighter. i wouldnt mind seeing her vs Cristiane "Cyborg" Santos. that would be a good fight. though i think Gina would lose.
 

Vehemence

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Originally posted by: torpid
Originally posted by: waggy
are you nuts? one of the biggest draws in MMA outside of liddel and lesnar? uh no. sure he is a big draw but nowhere near the biggest. there are many bigger draws. he is a the biggest draw for EliteXC but nowhere near the biggest in MMA.

I have no statistics to back this up, only a hunch, but I would guess that Gina Carano has a bigger draw than Kimbo Slice.

:heart::heart::heart:
 

Ns1

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Originally posted by: torpid
Originally posted by: waggy
are you nuts? one of the biggest draws in MMA outside of liddel and lesnar? uh no. sure he is a big draw but nowhere near the biggest. there are many bigger draws. he is a the biggest draw for EliteXC but nowhere near the biggest in MMA.

I have no statistics to back this up, only a hunch, but I would guess that Gina Carano has a bigger draw than Kimbo Slice.

It was definitely a way better fight than Kimbo's that's for sure

3x5 minutes plz
 

Capt Caveman

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Originally posted by: QueBert
Originally posted by: Genx87
Haha I havent been keeping up with the fights but thought it was around this time. I check Kimbo's wiki and see he lost to some 205 pound dude that agreed to fight an hour before the fight lmao. The guy was probably working the fast food counter and got the beeper. Off to fight Kimbo, beat him up in 14 seconds, then back to his late night job within the hour.

So I have to wonder if they will continue to push Kimbo considering his previous fight was was ended uber dubious circumstances after a night of being pummeled. And this one he loses in 14 seconds to somebody they called up an hour before the match hahaha.

Kimbo made $500k for this fight, and Bas still insists he has talent just needs more training. Kimbo is still one of, if not the largest draws in MMA, outside of maybe Liddell & Lesnar nobody is more well known. My mom knows who Kimbo is, and she couldn't tell you what MMA stands for, and couldn't name 1 more fighter.

EXC will push Kimbo just as hard now, the majority of people who liked Kimbo before will want to see him come back and get revenge on the dude who beat him. People love a good comeback, think Rocky 2. Also some people don't know Seth was going to fight that night on the undercard but they bumped him up to the main event, it's not like Seth had been sitting around playing XBOX live for months and not training. He also holds records in Full Contact Karate. So he was a legit dude.

Kimbo made the mistake of rushing in against a dude he knew nothing about. If he had played it smart and felt Seth out it would have been a much different fight, even if he had still ended up loosing. Kimbo will learn from this and come back, he isn't very technical but for somebody 34 years old with 2 years of MMA training, going against dudes who are much younger and been training most of their life. He will never will win with technique.

Kimbo did take some good shots from JT, who is known for his punching power, and he didn't seem too fazed. I think JT was a better indicator of the kind of fighter Kimbo is than this one. Seth beat him, and quickly but it was a fluke brought on by Kimbo's unwillingness to feel out a new fighter. Which is a rookie mistake. If Kimbo looses again I think a good number of his fans will jump ship, but every fighter looses. And there have been plenty of fluke KO's in MMA, just none that were in the spotlight like this, Liddell Vs White comes to mind. Liddell was back pedeling and hit White with an off balance shot that looks very soft and won. If he can win some fights Kimbo will be alright, this was a learning experience for him.

Please. Kimbo would get his ass kicked against any average MMA fighter . All he can do and barely is beat old washed-up brawlers. A jab to the temple knocked him out.
 

torpid

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Originally posted by: Ns1
3x5 minutes plz

I agree, but it's not THAT unusual like the announcers made it sound. It is not uncommon for women to have shorter "periods" or "matches" than men. I still would like to see 5 set matches in women's tennis. TUF used to be 3 minutes; I'm glad that's 5 minutes now too.
 

Ns1

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Originally posted by: torpid
Originally posted by: Ns1
3x5 minutes plz

I agree, but it's not THAT unusual like the announcers made it sound. It is not uncommon for women to have shorter "periods" or "matches" than men. I still would like to see 5 set matches in women's tennis. TUF used to be 3 minutes; I'm glad that's 5 minutes now too.

Yeah but look at that fight in particular. Gina would have kicked her ass if she had another minute (or so it would appear)


Hell they might as well just fight with bushido rules =D
 

waggy

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Originally posted by: Ns1
Originally posted by: torpid
Originally posted by: waggy
are you nuts? one of the biggest draws in MMA outside of liddel and lesnar? uh no. sure he is a big draw but nowhere near the biggest. there are many bigger draws. he is a the biggest draw for EliteXC but nowhere near the biggest in MMA.

I have no statistics to back this up, only a hunch, but I would guess that Gina Carano has a bigger draw than Kimbo Slice.

It was definitely a way better fight than Kimbo's that's for sure

3x5 minutes plz

i agree. Gina was in trouble in the 2nd round. if there was more time she may have lost the fight. Same in the 3rd if there was more time she would have knocked out the other girl. both of them were screwed.

Originally posted by: Sawyer
Boy that Christy Cyborg isn't a looker that is for damn sure :/

oh man hse is ugly. but no way would i mess with her! she would rape me =(

but she is a great fighter.

 

Capt Caveman

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Originally posted by: torpid
Originally posted by: Ns1
3x5 minutes plz

I agree, but it's not THAT unusual like the announcers made it sound. It is not uncommon for women to have shorter "periods" or "matches" than men. I still would like to see 5 set matches in women's tennis. TUF used to be 3 minutes; I'm glad that's 5 minutes now too.

Yeah but you would have seen a much better fight the other night. The action in the 2nd and 3rd rounds were stopped abruptly due to the time constraint.
 

waggy

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Originally posted by: Ns1
Originally posted by: torpid
Originally posted by: Ns1
3x5 minutes plz

I agree, but it's not THAT unusual like the announcers made it sound. It is not uncommon for women to have shorter "periods" or "matches" than men. I still would like to see 5 set matches in women's tennis. TUF used to be 3 minutes; I'm glad that's 5 minutes now too.

Yeah but look at that fight in particular. Gina would have kicked her ass if she had another minute (or so it would appear)


Hell they might as well just fight with bushido rules =D

srue gina would have kicked her ass. but in the 2nd she was saved by the bell so it may not have even got to the 3rd.