Ken Shamrock vs. Kimbo Slice - Oct. 4th EliteXC event

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TheNinja

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Ken has 0 chin left. If Kimbo even gets close to Ken's chin or temple, Kenny's going out. I would even venture so far as to say Kimbo would beat Ken on the ground b/c he can pound his way out of a submission....unless it's a leglock. I give Ken about 20% chance, and I'm not a fan of Kimbo at all. Kimbo could not beat a single UFC HW and if you think he could, please name me one.
 

CPA

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Originally posted by: Juddog
Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: Juddog
Originally posted by: mjh
I find it laughable people said they want to see Kimbo fight Fedor. Kimbo wouldn't even stand a chance against B-level gatekeepers, let alone one of the best P4P MMA fighters ever! Even I wouldn't want to see Kimbo get fed to someone like Fedor.

Hell, even Elite XC has a few middleweights who would be able to smash Kimbo's face in.

But it's perfect marketing for Elite XC, because they know people are going to tune in to watch the fight, yeah? ;)

Kimbo already has the strength needed to take out someone like Fedor, he just needs to get his ground technique down. In a pure striking match he would CRUSH Fedor.

hahahahah yeah sure he would.

Ok name someone who has beaten Kimbo in striking.

Do a youtube search. he fought some UFC has been in one of his street fights. No ground, no knees (well there were two from the other guy, but more glancing than anything). Don't remember the guy's name but he beat Kimbo is a straight striking contest.
 

CPA

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Originally posted by: JDMnAR1
Originally posted by: Juddog
Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: Juddog
Originally posted by: mjh
I find it laughable people said they want to see Kimbo fight Fedor. Kimbo wouldn't even stand a chance against B-level gatekeepers, let alone one of the best P4P MMA fighters ever! Even I wouldn't want to see Kimbo get fed to someone like Fedor.

Hell, even Elite XC has a few middleweights who would be able to smash Kimbo's face in.

But it's perfect marketing for Elite XC, because they know people are going to tune in to watch the fight, yeah? ;)

Kimbo already has the strength needed to take out someone like Fedor, he just needs to get his ground technique down. In a pure striking match he would CRUSH Fedor.

hahahahah yeah sure he would.

Ok name someone who has beaten Kimbo in striking.


What was that cop's name - Sean Gannon? ;)


That's his name!
 

Juddog

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Originally posted by: TheNinja
Ken has 0 chin left. If Kimbo even gets close to Ken's chin or temple, Kenny's going out. I would even venture so far as to say Kimbo would beat Ken on the ground b/c he can pound his way out of a submission....unless it's a leglock. I give Ken about 20% chance, and I'm not a fan of Kimbo at all. Kimbo could not beat a single UFC HW and if you think he could, please name me one.

Ron Waterman.
 

waggy

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Originally posted by: randaythats because kimbo should have lost before the ear was popped. the ref gave kimbo a lot of leeway, but gave thompson none. well that really doesnt have anything to do with kimbos ability, but it does say something about elitejokec. oh getting pummeled? cant defend yourself? fight on! oops you're bleeding, sorry, you lose!

exactly.

Originally posted by: QueBert
Thompson beat Don Frye in Pride. I don't care if Frye is old and not the fighter he use to be, he's NEVER an easy opponent. People seem to forget before Thompsons loosing streak he had fought some awesome dudes in pride and even beat some. a NO ONE has never beaten Don Frye and never will.

Kimbo has a few fights under his belt, an over the hill Abbott is still a better fighter than some new unknown. The unknown might not have anything, Abbott has KO power and tested Kimbo's chin with a few shots. Kimbo will work his way up to fighting better people. It's not his fault EXC has thrust him in the spotlight so fast. He shouldn't be a main eventer and he shouldn't be fighting top level competition *yet* maybe he'll prove himself, maybe he won't...

As for the suspect stop of the Thompson fight, fights that were far more bloody has gone on much longer. But, this was the first prime time nationally televised event. I'm sure both CBS & EXC wanted to be extra careful to not have too much blood be shown.

thompson has someskill. and he had hte fight won but as randay mentioned teh ref should have stoped it.

And yes im sure both CBS didnt want to much blood. wich lead to the premature stoppage.

so far you really can't say kimbo is the next big thing by what fignts he had.

The fight with KEN (while he is a over the hill hasbeen) will start to prove he is the real deal (at least in EliteXC).

either way its going to be a good fight. either ken is getting knocked out or kimbo is getting sumbed . either way i don't see this makeing 2nd round.
 

911paramedic

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Ken gets beat in toe to to fighting, Tito beat the hell out of him twice. What Kimbo needs to bring reality crashing down on him is a good submission guy.
 

Juddog

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Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: randaythats because kimbo should have lost before the ear was popped. the ref gave kimbo a lot of leeway, but gave thompson none. well that really doesnt have anything to do with kimbos ability, but it does say something about elitejokec. oh getting pummeled? cant defend yourself? fight on! oops you're bleeding, sorry, you lose!

exactly.

Originally posted by: QueBert
Thompson beat Don Frye in Pride. I don't care if Frye is old and not the fighter he use to be, he's NEVER an easy opponent. People seem to forget before Thompsons loosing streak he had fought some awesome dudes in pride and even beat some. a NO ONE has never beaten Don Frye and never will.

Kimbo has a few fights under his belt, an over the hill Abbott is still a better fighter than some new unknown. The unknown might not have anything, Abbott has KO power and tested Kimbo's chin with a few shots. Kimbo will work his way up to fighting better people. It's not his fault EXC has thrust him in the spotlight so fast. He shouldn't be a main eventer and he shouldn't be fighting top level competition *yet* maybe he'll prove himself, maybe he won't...

As for the suspect stop of the Thompson fight, fights that were far more bloody has gone on much longer. But, this was the first prime time nationally televised event. I'm sure both CBS & EXC wanted to be extra careful to not have too much blood be shown.

thompson has someskill. and he had hte fight won but as randay mentioned teh ref should have stoped it.

And yes im sure both CBS didnt want to much blood. wich lead to the premature stoppage.

so far you really can't say kimbo is the next big thing by what fignts he had.

The fight with KEN (while he is a over the hill hasbeen) will start to prove he is the real deal (at least in EliteXC).

either way its going to be a good fight. either ken is getting knocked out or kimbo is getting sumbed . either way i don't see this makeing 2nd round.

I agree with you there, I don't see this making 2nd round either. Personally I feel Ken is going to get punished, as Bas Rutten already had revenge on him a couple years ago and knows how to work him; he'll pass that knowledge onto Kimbo.

If I was to rank Kimbo right now I'd see he'd be in the top 30 best fighters right now. He has a long way to go, and needs to work his way up slowly. I agree with the posts above about him being a main attraction; he shouldn't be a main event draw, but I think the stations are just milking the people that are curious about him.

Kimbo reminds me of Rashad Evans in a way. When I was watching UFC 88 with my buddies, everybody was going on about how Rashad was going to get his ass kicked by Liddell, then Rashad tested Liddell's jaw and that was all she wrote. Sometimes a new guy can come along with a more determined attitude, a better technique, etc. and prove everybody wrong. It's easy to take the majority opinion.
 

waggy

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Originally posted by: Juddog
I agree with you there, I don't see this making 2nd round either. Personally I feel Ken is going to get punished, as Bas Rutten already had revenge on him a couple years ago and knows how to work him; he'll pass that knowledge onto Kimbo.

If I was to rank Kimbo right now I'd see he'd be in the top 30 best fighters right now. He has a long way to go, and needs to work his way up slowly. I agree with the posts above about him being a main attraction; he shouldn't be a main event draw, but I think the stations are just milking the people that are curious about him.

Kimbo reminds me of Rashad Evans in a way. When I was watching UFC 88 with my buddies, everybody was going on about how Rashad was going to get his ass kicked by Liddell, then Rashad tested Liddell's jaw and that was all she wrote. Sometimes a new guy can come along with a more determined attitude, a better technique, etc. and prove everybody wrong. It's easy to take the majority opinion.

top 30? maybe the top30 of elitxc but no way in all of mma. you throw in UFC, pride, K1,etc there is no way he is top 30. maybe after a few years of BJJ but he is old and his skills are going to dominish.

i don't ever see him breaking the top 30.

Evans had a great game plan. he had said he knew Chucks "tells" and was able to capatlize on those. i HATE Rashad but the fact he has (i think undeafeted) been on one hell of a winning streak should tell yousomething. personally i want to see Rampage vs Rashad. that should be a hell of a fight.

but you can't compare rashad and kimbo. only thing kimbo has is brute strengh. Rashad has some damn good skills. i hate him a lot though heh
 

torpid

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Maybe Kimbo has great potential. But he hasn't reached it yet. The arguments about his future are pointless. Right now he's a one trick pony who is not good enough to face a serious heavyweight contender yet. Lesnar is clearly the better of the two hyped up heavyweights in MMA.

I haven't studied Kimbo's fights enough to know this for sure, but my guess is that his striking technique leaves much to be desired. It certainly seemed that way in the Gannon fight. Any great technical striker with moderate power should be able to beat him at striking. Power is not everything in striking, even for heavyweights.
 

Juddog

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Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: Juddog
I agree with you there, I don't see this making 2nd round either. Personally I feel Ken is going to get punished, as Bas Rutten already had revenge on him a couple years ago and knows how to work him; he'll pass that knowledge onto Kimbo.

If I was to rank Kimbo right now I'd see he'd be in the top 30 best fighters right now. He has a long way to go, and needs to work his way up slowly. I agree with the posts above about him being a main attraction; he shouldn't be a main event draw, but I think the stations are just milking the people that are curious about him.

Kimbo reminds me of Rashad Evans in a way. When I was watching UFC 88 with my buddies, everybody was going on about how Rashad was going to get his ass kicked by Liddell, then Rashad tested Liddell's jaw and that was all she wrote. Sometimes a new guy can come along with a more determined attitude, a better technique, etc. and prove everybody wrong. It's easy to take the majority opinion.

top 30? maybe the top30 of elitxc but no way in all of mma. you throw in UFC, pride, K1,etc there is no way he is top 30. maybe after a few years of BJJ but he is old and his skills are going to dominish.

i don't ever see him breaking the top 30.

Evans had a great game plan. he had said he knew Chucks "tells" and was able to capatlize on those. i HATE Rashad but the fact he has (i think undeafeted) been on one hell of a winning streak should tell yousomething. personally i want to see Rampage vs Rashad. that should be a hell of a fight.

but you can't compare rashad and kimbo. only thing kimbo has is brute strengh. Rashad has some damn good skills. i hate him a lot though heh

Rashad is still undefeated like you said. I just brought him up because people constantly talk sh!t about him and say he's going to lose when he's had some major victories. Last I checked his record was 14 wins, 0 losses, and one draw against Tito Ortiz.
 

torpid

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Originally posted by: waggy
Evans had a great game plan. he had said he knew Chucks "tells" and was able to capatlize on those. i HATE Rashad but the fact he has (i think undeafeted) been on one hell of a winning streak should tell yousomething. personally i want to see Rampage vs Rashad. that should be a hell of a fight.

Evans is undefeated but he's not on a winning streak. His fight with Tito was a draw, and that was 2 fights back.

 

Juddog

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Originally posted by: torpid
Maybe Kimbo has great potential. But he hasn't reached it yet. The arguments about his future are pointless. Right now he's a one trick pony who is not good enough to face a serious heavyweight contender yet. Lesnar is clearly the better of the two hyped up heavyweights in MMA.

I haven't studied Kimbo's fights enough to know this for sure, but my guess is that his striking technique leaves much to be desired. It certainly seemed that way in the Gannon fight. Any great technical striker with moderate power should be able to beat him at striking. Power is not everything in striking, even for heavyweights.

He's only had 4 fights so far. If he fought Sean Gannon again in the state he's in now he would destroy him. I compared Kimbo with Rashad because they both are hungry and willing to train as hard as they need to in order to get what they want.
 

wheresmybacon

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Rashad Evans and Kimbo are the same in that they're both black and have 2 arms and 2 legs. That's about where the similarities end. Kimbo is a joke and as long as he fights in that joke of an organization - which will probably be forever - no self respecting MMA fan can treat him as anything otherwise. There's simply no one there to fight.

And if you Kimbo Fans really want pure striking, I'd like to see him up against Cheick Kongo. If he stands in there with Cheick he might actually get killed.
 

randay

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Originally posted by: waggy

personally i want to see Rampage vs Rashad. that should be a hell of a fight.

they both have some crazy knockout power, but rashad is too sloppy and i think he would have a greater chance of being caught. it would be a hell of a fight though, unless rashad did something lame like playing it safe and wrestling for points.

 

randay

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Originally posted by: Juddog
I compared Kimbo with Rashad because they both are hungry and willing to train as hard as they need to in order to get what they want.

rashad is like kimbo in so far as not being in the top 30 but having potential. liddel is on his way out, and shamrock is already way gone. the sport is evolving, there are fighters who are at the head of the evolution and then there are fighters who are just along for the ride, like rashad and kimbo. they are both good strikers but have a lot to learn and a long way to travel before they are referred to as "the best pound for pound"-anythings.
 

waggy

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Originally posted by: randay
Originally posted by: Juddog
I compared Kimbo with Rashad because they both are hungry and willing to train as hard as they need to in order to get what they want.

rashad is like kimbo in so far as not being in the top 30 but having potential. liddel is on his way out, and shamrock is already way gone. the sport is evolving, there are fighters who are at the head of the evolution and then there are fighters who are just along for the ride, like rashad and kimbo. they are both good strikers but have a lot to learn and a long way to travel before they are referred to as "the best pound for pound"-anythings.

actually Rashad is ranked in the top 10 of the world. HE is going to be fighting Griffin for the championship soon.

and this should be a hell of a fight. but i give the edge to Griffin.
 

torpid

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Originally posted by: Juddog
Originally posted by: torpid
Maybe Kimbo has great potential. But he hasn't reached it yet. The arguments about his future are pointless. Right now he's a one trick pony who is not good enough to face a serious heavyweight contender yet. Lesnar is clearly the better of the two hyped up heavyweights in MMA.

I haven't studied Kimbo's fights enough to know this for sure, but my guess is that his striking technique leaves much to be desired. It certainly seemed that way in the Gannon fight. Any great technical striker with moderate power should be able to beat him at striking. Power is not everything in striking, even for heavyweights.

He's only had 4 fights so far. If he fought Sean Gannon again in the state he's in now he would destroy him. I compared Kimbo with Rashad because they both are hungry and willing to train as hard as they need to in order to get what they want.

I definitely agree, he would beat Gannon now, especially with normal MMA rules. He lost the fight solely because he gassed, IMO. Both of them seemed to have iron chins to a degree in that fight.

However, I still have not seen Kimbo's recent technique enough to say that it has improved markedly. I am ashamed to admit I missed the CBS fight and haven't gotten around to looking at it online. It seems kind of unlikely to me that he is a great technical striker now, but you never know. I would think it would take years to unlearn brawl techniques and learn "good" striking techniques, but some fighters are better at learning quickly than others.
 

Pacfanweb

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Eventually Kimbo is going to have to fight SOMEBODY who is a legit fighter, and not someone too old.
 

randay

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Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: randay
Originally posted by: Juddog
I compared Kimbo with Rashad because they both are hungry and willing to train as hard as they need to in order to get what they want.

rashad is like kimbo in so far as not being in the top 30 but having potential. liddel is on his way out, and shamrock is already way gone. the sport is evolving, there are fighters who are at the head of the evolution and then there are fighters who are just along for the ride, like rashad and kimbo. they are both good strikers but have a lot to learn and a long way to travel before they are referred to as "the best pound for pound"-anythings.

actually Rashad is ranked in the top 10 of the world. HE is going to be fighting Griffin for the championship soon.

and this should be a hell of a fight. but i give the edge to Griffin.

he hasnt earned it yet in my eyes. a win over forest might put him in there, but just barely...
 

waggy

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Originally posted by: randay
Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: randay
Originally posted by: Juddog
I compared Kimbo with Rashad because they both are hungry and willing to train as hard as they need to in order to get what they want.

rashad is like kimbo in so far as not being in the top 30 but having potential. liddel is on his way out, and shamrock is already way gone. the sport is evolving, there are fighters who are at the head of the evolution and then there are fighters who are just along for the ride, like rashad and kimbo. they are both good strikers but have a lot to learn and a long way to travel before they are referred to as "the best pound for pound"-anythings.

actually Rashad is ranked in the top 10 of the world. HE is going to be fighting Griffin for the championship soon.

and this should be a hell of a fight. but i give the edge to Griffin.

he hasnt earned it yet in my eyes. a win over forest might put him in there, but just barely...

i agree. i don't consider him top 10. top 20 for sure but not top 10.

i don't think Evans should be fighting for the title. but Dana screwed up saying that if Liddel won he would get a title fight (teacher vs student!? what a fight). Dana was looking past evans at a Forrest/Liddel fight and the PPV for that.

so when Evans knocked out Liddel he was stuck. personally i think evans should fight shogun or Rampage first.
 

Oceandevi

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Kimbo will get tooled by the first relevant mma fighter he faces. Barring glass jaw thompson.
 

randay

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Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: randay
Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: randay
Originally posted by: Juddog
I compared Kimbo with Rashad because they both are hungry and willing to train as hard as they need to in order to get what they want.

rashad is like kimbo in so far as not being in the top 30 but having potential. liddel is on his way out, and shamrock is already way gone. the sport is evolving, there are fighters who are at the head of the evolution and then there are fighters who are just along for the ride, like rashad and kimbo. they are both good strikers but have a lot to learn and a long way to travel before they are referred to as "the best pound for pound"-anythings.

actually Rashad is ranked in the top 10 of the world. HE is going to be fighting Griffin for the championship soon.

and this should be a hell of a fight. but i give the edge to Griffin.

he hasnt earned it yet in my eyes. a win over forest might put him in there, but just barely...

i agree. i don't consider him top 10. top 20 for sure but not top 10.

i don't think Evans should be fighting for the title. but Dana screwed up saying that if Liddel won he would get a title fight (teacher vs student!? what a fight). Dana was looking past evans at a Forrest/Liddel fight and the PPV for that.

so when Evans knocked out Liddel he was stuck. personally i think evans should fight shogun or Rampage first.

liddel is dana's biyatch or something. i think he is trying to hard to promote liddel. liddel really needs to step up his game to get back into this sport. hes still an outrageous striker but it isnt enough anymore, not by a long shot.

i think evans and rampage would be a fantastic fight, then winner gets a shot at the title.

im not really excited to see forest fight anymore, he doesnt make it very exciting. not aggresive enough. hes a nice guy though.
 

Juddog

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Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: randay
Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: randay
Originally posted by: Juddog
I compared Kimbo with Rashad because they both are hungry and willing to train as hard as they need to in order to get what they want.

rashad is like kimbo in so far as not being in the top 30 but having potential. liddel is on his way out, and shamrock is already way gone. the sport is evolving, there are fighters who are at the head of the evolution and then there are fighters who are just along for the ride, like rashad and kimbo. they are both good strikers but have a lot to learn and a long way to travel before they are referred to as "the best pound for pound"-anythings.

actually Rashad is ranked in the top 10 of the world. HE is going to be fighting Griffin for the championship soon.

and this should be a hell of a fight. but i give the edge to Griffin.

he hasnt earned it yet in my eyes. a win over forest might put him in there, but just barely...

i agree. i don't consider him top 10. top 20 for sure but not top 10.

i don't think Evans should be fighting for the title. but Dana screwed up saying that if Liddel won he would get a title fight (teacher vs student!? what a fight). Dana was looking past evans at a Forrest/Liddel fight and the PPV for that.

so when Evans knocked out Liddel he was stuck. personally i think evans should fight shogun or Rampage first.

Rampage vs. Evans would be awesome. :D
 

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You guys are seriously overlooking what appears to be the better fight, by far: Ninja and Benji Radach. I bet this fight will be head and shoulders above the Kimbo/Shamrock crapfest. It's a shame that the better fighters get overlooked and overshadowed by goons. But I guess it sells MMA to a wider audience, so its all good.

Peace

Lounatik