Ken Lay Compared to Jesus!

[Shuxclams]

Originally posted by: BoomerD

Originally posted by: Pens1566

Originally posted by: BoomerD
I think the majority of us wish the bstard would have lived, and gone on to prison, where he could have been Bubb'a b*tch...That's a more appropriate punishment for the fvcking he gave America.

He would've ended up in a min-security country club prison. The worst thing that would happen to him in prison is a sprained ankle from playing tennis.

No kidding. Steal $100. and go to prison. Steal $100 Million, go to summer camp...

This I would love to see changed. When someone murders someone they are robbed of thier life and that person can be tried under the death penalty. When white collar crime affects hundreds, thousands and in the case of Enron millions in such a way as to cause rolling blackouts in California and the loss of millions of dollars in retirement funds and such, they should be eligble for the death penalty as well.








SHUX

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Shuxclams

Originally posted by: BoomerD

Originally posted by: Pens1566

Originally posted by: BoomerD
I think the majority of us wish the bstard would have lived, and gone on to prison, where he could have been Bubb'a b*tch...That's a more appropriate punishment for the fvcking he gave America.

He would've ended up in a min-security country club prison. The worst thing that would happen to him in prison is a sprained ankle from playing tennis.

No kidding. Steal $100. and go to prison. Steal $100 Million, go to summer camp...

This I would love to see changed. When someone murders someone they are robbed of thier life and that person can be tried under the death penalty. When white collar crime affects hundreds, thousands and in the case of Enron millions in such a way as to cause rolling blackouts in California and the loss of millions of dollars in retirement funds and such, they should be eligble for the death penalty as well.








SHUX

Maybe he was and his God was the executioner!

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Right.

Post a gay thread with a similar level of disrespect as shown people who flame religion here, and their behind will be as quickly banned as you please. I know it's a different format than the other place, but diverse? Diverse as in if you follow the crowd. It's a giant dog pile here. Frankly I don't care who people take down, but you had better pick on the "right" crowd.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Anyway Red, Lay will either burn or be wormfood. It hardly matters.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
Right.

Post a gay thread with a similar level of disrespect as shown people who flame religion here, and their behind will be as quickly banned as you please. I know it's a different format than the other place, but diverse? Diverse as in if you follow the crowd. It's a giant dog pile here. Frankly I don't care who people take down, but you had better pick on the "right" crowd.

Wrong, you see political beliefs roasted here all the time, well what makes religious beliefs anymore sacred? In reality they are political beliefs too.

 

[zephyrprime]

Originally posted by: zendariI also think that we hardly need to bash on a dead guy continuously.

Zendari, no doubt you would be praising Ken Lay at his funeral if you were there.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
Right.

Post a gay thread with a similar level of disrespect as shown people who flame religion here, and their behind will be as quickly banned as you please. I know it's a different format than the other place, but diverse? Diverse as in if you follow the crowd. It's a giant dog pile here. Frankly I don't care who people take down, but you had better pick on the "right" crowd.

Wrong, you see political beliefs roasted here all the time, well what makes religious beliefs anymore sacred? In reality they are political beliefs too.

Well, we'll have to agree to disagree on this one.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
Right.

Post a gay thread with a similar level of disrespect as shown people who flame religion here, and their behind will be as quickly banned as you please. I know it's a different format than the other place, but diverse? Diverse as in if you follow the crowd. It's a giant dog pile here. Frankly I don't care who people take down, but you had better pick on the "right" crowd.

:beer:

On topic: Kenny Boy, is no JC, more like the anti-JC. Scapegoat? LMAO! If he was, he deserved to get burned just for being so inept as to allow what occurred, to happen on his watch, IMO.

 

[zendari]

Originally posted by: Shuxclams
This I would love to see changed. When someone murders someone they are robbed of thier life and that person can be tried under the death penalty. When white collar crime affects hundreds, thousands and in the case of Enron millions in such a way as to cause rolling blackouts in California and the loss of millions of dollars in retirement funds and such, they should be eligble for the death penalty as well.

So stealing is worse than something like rape? I think there is a Supreme Court case where some leftwinged judges said you cannot execute rapists...

 

[zendari]

Originally posted by: zephyrprime

Originally posted by: zendariI also think that we hardly need to bash on a dead guy continuously.

Zendari, no doubt you would be praising Ken Lay at his funeral if you were there.

Not really.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: zendari
I think there is a Supreme Court case where some leftwinged judges said you cannot execute rapists...

Has there ever been a day in your life when you didn't try to associate every perceived problem on the planet to some "left wing" or "liberal" something or another? Do you blame "liberals" for your hangnails your appalling lack of information? How about your lack of conscience or ethics? :roll:

 

[zendari]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: zendari
I think there is a Supreme Court case where some leftwinged judges said you cannot execute rapists...

Has there ever been a day in your life when you didn't try to associate every perceived problem on the planet to some "left wing" or "liberal" something or another? Do you blame "liberals" for your hangnails your appalling lack of information? How about your lack of conscience or ethics? :roll:

Why, does the truth hurt?

 

[RightIsWrong]

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: zendari
I think there is a Supreme Court case where some leftwinged judges said you cannot execute rapists...

Has there ever been a day in your life when you didn't try to associate every perceived problem on the planet to some "left wing" or "liberal" something or another? Do you blame "liberals" for your hangnails your appalling lack of information? How about your lack of conscience or ethics? :roll:

Why, does the truth hurt?

Please Harvey, don't feed the TROLL!!

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
Right.

Post a gay thread with a similar level of disrespect as shown people who flame religion here, and their behind will be as quickly banned as you please. I know it's a different format than the other place, but diverse? Diverse as in if you follow the crowd. It's a giant dog pile here. Frankly I don't care who people take down, but you had better pick on the "right" crowd.

I'd slam a gay guy who was compared to Jesus inappropriately too. Seems like you're directing your ire in the wrong direction. Start with the Texas elite blue bloods spouting all of that nonsense about a criminal of the worst sort and see where that takes you.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: zendari
Why, does the truth hurt?

< Jack Nicholson voice >

"You can't handle the truth!"

< /Jack Nicholson voice >

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

 

[LunarRay]

The higher you are in the tree the farther you fall, if you do. I rather suspect that the poorest living in Huston's streets care less about Ken Lay or that he died. But yet we don't care about them either. We do, it seems, care about those who lost money... We care that Lay was convicted and wish for him the harshest of all punishments but yet don't care about the lives lost at our hands in war or in the name of humanitarian effort... it is all about money... Gosh our greed creates a monster in us... or at least allows it to peek its ugly head out and articulate some of the worst utterances possible... all cuz he may have caused folks to lose money...

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: LunarRay
I rather suspect that the poorest living in Huston's streets care less about Ken Lay or that he died. But yet we don't care about them either. We do, it seems, care about those who lost money... We care that Lay was convicted and wish for him the harshest of all punishments but yet don't care about the lives lost at our hands in war or in the name of humanitarian effort... it is all about money...

That's a bit short sighted. The greed of Ken Lay and other top Enron execs wiped out the life savings of thousands of honest, hard working Enron employees, many who are now among the poor that concern you. Their criminal exploits caused power shortages that resulted in power blackouts blackouts in California and to astronomical price hikes, not only for power, but for cost the goods and services manufactured and sold by everyone else. That directly impacted the poor more harshly than others.

The bottom line is, Enron's criminal activities had a huge ripple effect through society, and Kenny Boy was the top dog of the gang of crooks. I would much rather have seen him spend his last years rotting in a prison cell.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: LunarRay
I rather suspect that the poorest living in Huston's streets care less about Ken Lay or that he died. But yet we don't care about them either. We do, it seems, care about those who lost money... We care that Lay was convicted and wish for him the harshest of all punishments but yet don't care about the lives lost at our hands in war or in the name of humanitarian effort... it is all about money...

That's a bit short sighted. The greed of Ken Lay and other top Enron execs wiped out the life savings of thousands of honest, hard working Enron employees, many who are now among the poor that concern you. Their criminal exploits caused power shortages that resulted in power blackouts blackouts in California and to astronomical price hikes, not only for power, but for cost the goods and services manufactured and sold by everyone else. That directly impacted the poor more harshly than others.

The bottom line is, Enron's criminal activities had a huge ripple effect through society, and Kenny Boy was the top dog of the gang of crooks. I would much rather have seen him spend his last years rotting in a prison cell.

I think you are just proving his well-made point.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: LunarRay
The higher you are in the tree the farther you fall, if you do. I rather suspect that the poorest living in Huston's streets care less about Ken Lay or that he died. But yet we don't care about them either. We do, it seems, care about those who lost money... We care that Lay was convicted and wish for him the harshest of all punishments but yet don't care about the lives lost at our hands in war or in the name of humanitarian effort... it is all about money... Gosh our greed creates a monster in us... or at least allows it to peek its ugly head out and articulate some of the worst utterances possible... all cuz he may have caused folks to lose money...

Who is this "we"?

Unfortunately, money translates directly into just about everything else affecting most Americans existence. Consequently, it isn't just money they lost, and Andersen going down with them, resulted in even more workers suffering.

How many were put out of work? How many lost pensions and portfolios, the funds of which were earmarked for retirement security? Putting the kids through school, ect.? He and his cohorts have caused suffering to so many, how can you possibly think it is just outrage that people lost money? E.G.

Cathy Peterson is still angry. Her husband, Bill, was an Enron employee. He was being treated for cancer when Enron declared bankruptcy. When he lost his job, he lost his health insurance ? a matter of life and death.

We really suffered. We suffered financially and emotionally," Cathy Peterson said. "We sold our home, our second car, anything we could live without we did without, cell phones, newspapers. I learned to buy the cheapest food we could buy. We moved in with my twin sister. My husband was not allowed the dignity of dying in his own home."

When Charlie Prestwood retired to his small rural home north of Houston, after 33 years of working in a power plant, he knew exactly what he had in his nest egg.

"1,310,570 dollars and some few cents. That was my life savings," Prestwood said.

Today that nest egg is gone. Like thousands of other former Enron employees, he is still struggling to recover from his loss. He says at his age, 67, he won't live long enough to ever recoup that money.


Prestwood gets by on his Social Security checks, watches every penny he spends, and prays nothing will go wrong with his house, his truck or his health

just a couple of the many who have been victimized.

... all cuz he may have caused folks to lose money...

As stated, many have lost far more than just money, so please understand, that is where the anger, ill will, and condemnation derive from.

I find it ironic that you attribute the condemnation and vitriol to a manifestation of greed, while it was the greed of few being condemned, that created this huge tragedy.

 

[OrByte]

Ken Lay caused death and suffering,

much like Hitler.

the pendulum can swing both ways.

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: LunarRay
I rather suspect that the poorest living in Huston's streets care less about Ken Lay or that he died. But yet we don't care about them either. We do, it seems, care about those who lost money... We care that Lay was convicted and wish for him the harshest of all punishments but yet don't care about the lives lost at our hands in war or in the name of humanitarian effort... it is all about money...

That's a bit short sighted. The greed of Ken Lay and other top Enron execs wiped out the life savings of thousands of honest, hard working Enron employees, many who are now among the poor that concern you. Their criminal exploits caused power shortages that resulted in power blackouts blackouts in California and to astronomical price hikes, not only for power, but for cost the goods and services manufactured and sold by everyone else. That directly impacted the poor more harshly than others.

The bottom line is, Enron's criminal activities had a huge ripple effect through society, and Kenny Boy was the top dog of the gang of crooks. I would much rather have seen him spend his last years rotting in a prison cell.

The folks who fell the farthest were up in the tree with Lay who fell further than any other indivdual. Now.. ask yourself.... Why did Lay get convicted of Conspiracy to defraud. Because he was trying to save Enron and himself and all the other tree dwellers way up there in the tree.. he knew (assuming guilt) that a mass exodus from Enron stock would cause Enron to fold as it did anyhow... the BS of Enron had to be protected against failing ratio covenants.. but my point is that it is quite um.... odd to castigate Lay and wish him eternity in hell as it is to terminate a multitude in Iraq and call it "In the name of human rights". We care about some stuff but not other stuff.. and to me that is .... odd.

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER

Originally posted by: LunarRay
The higher you are in the tree the farther you fall, if you do. I rather suspect that the poorest living in Huston's streets care less about Ken Lay or that he died. But yet we don't care about them either. We do, it seems, care about those who lost money... We care that Lay was convicted and wish for him the harshest of all punishments but yet don't care about the lives lost at our hands in war or in the name of humanitarian effort... it is all about money... Gosh our greed creates a monster in us... or at least allows it to peek its ugly head out and articulate some of the worst utterances possible... all cuz he may have caused folks to lose money...

Who is this "we"?

Unfortunately, money translates directly into just about everything else affecting most Americans existence. Consequently, it isn't just money they lost, and Andersen going down with them, resulted in even more workers suffering.

How many were put out of work? How many lost pensions and portfolios, the funds of which were earmarked for retirement security? Putting the kids through school, ect.? He and his cohorts have caused suffering to so many, how can you possibly think it is just outrage that people lost money? E.G.

Cathy Peterson is still angry. Her husband, Bill, was an Enron employee. He was being treated for cancer when Enron declared bankruptcy. When he lost his job, he lost his health insurance ? a matter of life and death.

We really suffered. We suffered financially and emotionally," Cathy Peterson said. "We sold our home, our second car, anything we could live without we did without, cell phones, newspapers. I learned to buy the cheapest food we could buy. We moved in with my twin sister. My husband was not allowed the dignity of dying in his own home."

When Charlie Prestwood retired to his small rural home north of Houston, after 33 years of working in a power plant, he knew exactly what he had in his nest egg.

"1,310,570 dollars and some few cents. That was my life savings," Prestwood said.

Today that nest egg is gone. Like thousands of other former Enron employees, he is still struggling to recover from his loss. He says at his age, 67, he won't live long enough to ever recoup that money.


Prestwood gets by on his Social Security checks, watches every penny he spends, and prays nothing will go wrong with his house, his truck or his health

just a couple of the many who have been victimized.

... all cuz he may have caused folks to lose money...

As stated, many have lost far more than just money, so please understand, that is where the anger, ill will, and condemnation derive from.

I find it ironic that you attribute the condemnation and vitriol to a manifestation of greed, while it was the greed of few being condemned, that created this huge tragedy.

When you equate money on the same level as a human life lost well then I can't begin to dialog beyond what I have. You name many who are mad but alive... I know of many dead in say Iraq and yet we support the folks who perpetrated that fiasco.. Just seems folks see money as the means to be alive and I see alive as the means to acquire money..

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: LunarRay

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: LunarRay
I rather suspect that the poorest living in Huston's streets care less about Ken Lay or that he died. But yet we don't care about them either. We do, it seems, care about those who lost money... We care that Lay was convicted and wish for him the harshest of all punishments but yet don't care about the lives lost at our hands in war or in the name of humanitarian effort... it is all about money...

That's a bit short sighted. The greed of Ken Lay and other top Enron execs wiped out the life savings of thousands of honest, hard working Enron employees, many who are now among the poor that concern you. Their criminal exploits caused power shortages that resulted in power blackouts blackouts in California and to astronomical price hikes, not only for power, but for cost the goods and services manufactured and sold by everyone else. That directly impacted the poor more harshly than others.

The bottom line is, Enron's criminal activities had a huge ripple effect through society, and Kenny Boy was the top dog of the gang of crooks. I would much rather have seen him spend his last years rotting in a prison cell.

The folks who fell the farthest were up in the tree with Lay who fell further than any other indivdual. Now.. ask yourself.... Why did Lay get convicted of Conspiracy to defraud. Because he was trying to save Enron and himself and all the other tree dwellers way up there in the tree.. he knew (assuming guilt) that a mass exodus from Enron stock would cause Enron to fold as it did anyhow... the BS of Enron had to be protected against failing ratio covenants.. but my point is that it is quite um.... odd to castigate Lay and wish him eternity in hell as it is to terminate a multitude in Iraq and call it "In the name of human rights". We care about some stuff but not other stuff.. and to me that is .... odd.

Yeah, but I don't care about Lay's co-conspirators either. They fell because they were greedy f**ks too and karma has a way of dealing with folks like Lay & Associates. And for the record, my issue is with the old money Texas elite sitting around comparing Lay to Jesus. My issue is not that he won't be suffering his punishment, nor do I wish to heap further punishment on him, earthly or eternal. While I get your point, caring for the poor and the victims of the Iraq war is another discussion entirely, don't you think?

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: LunarRay
.. but my point is that it is quite um.... odd to castigate Lay and wish him eternity in hell as it is to terminate a multitude in Iraq and call it "In the name of human rights". We care about some stuff but not other stuff.. and to me that is .... odd.

The only thing I find odd is how you equate Ken Lay's blatant criminal behavior as an individual, and in concert with his co-conspirators, with anything in Iraq. Lay stole millions and drove many into poverty for the rest of their lives. When it comes to comparing lost money to lost lives, considering the amount of damage he did to so many, I find it difficult to make much distinction in the level of criminality between the two beyond the actual life - death distinction, itself.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: LunarRay
.. but my point is that it is quite um.... odd to castigate Lay and wish him eternity in hell as it is to terminate a multitude in Iraq and call it "In the name of human rights". We care about some stuff but not other stuff.. and to me that is .... odd.

The only thing I find odd is how you equate Ken Lay's blatant criminal behavior as an individual, and in concert with his co-conspirators, with anything in Iraq. Lay stole millions and drove many into poverty for the rest of their lives. When it comes to comparing lost money to lost lives, considering the amount of damage he did to so many, I find it difficult to make much distinction in the level of criminality between the two beyond the actual life - death distinction, itself.

I think he is trying to point out the fact than many more people disapprove of what the Enron exec's did compared to what Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld did/are doing to Iraq. Well, not just that, but it's a decent example.