Ken Lay Compared to Jesus!

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Wow...

You would expect to hear kinds words at Ken's memorial service - It is a memorial service after all... But Jesus? The victim of a lynching?

Someone needs to get a grip.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: BrownTown
While Ken Lay is certainly not a good guy, and certainlly not Jesus, he goes get way to much of the blaim for what happened to Enron. Questionable accounting and such is nothing new by any means, the problem was of course that Enrons buisness was failing, and no amount of playing with the numbers could help them. The collapse of Enron wasn't due to the accounting practices, the accounting was done to try to conceal the collapsing company. It just happened that it failed so fantastically and so many people were hurt by it that someone HAD to be scapegoated. Ken Lay of course is the natural target, and while what he did was morally wrong, and illegal I think it sould also be noted that it was not entirely uncommon.

In conclusion, Ken Lay is a bad guy, but hes not some villian like he is made out to be in the press etc...

This is exactly the kind of bullshit we need a lot less of in this country. It doesn't matter if "everyone does it", it's still wildly illegal and very immoral...and it's certainly theft, as investors lost a lot of money because Ken Lay lied about the state of the company. Yeah, it's not his fault the company ran into the ground, but it's damn sure his fault that he took as many people down with the company as possible just to try and save his own ass.

I also think that we hardly need to bash on a dead guy continuously.

Nobody is bashing him continuously, this whole thread is a response to the pro-evil guys not being able to conceal just how much they love good old Kenny boy.

 

[BoomerD]

I think the majority of us wish the bstard would have lived, and gone on to prison, where he could have been Bubb'a b*tch...That's a more appropriate punishment for the fvcking he gave America.

 

[Pens1566]

Originally posted by: BoomerD
I think the majority of us wish the bstard would have lived, and gone on to prison, where he could have been Bubb'a b*tch...That's a more appropriate punishment for the fvcking he gave America.

He would've ended up in a min-security country club prison. The worst thing that would happen to him in prison is a sprained ankle from playing tennis.

 

[BoomerD]

Originally posted by: Pens1566

Originally posted by: BoomerD
I think the majority of us wish the bstard would have lived, and gone on to prison, where he could have been Bubb'a b*tch...That's a more appropriate punishment for the fvcking he gave America.

He would've ended up in a min-security country club prison. The worst thing that would happen to him in prison is a sprained ankle from playing tennis.

No kidding. Steal $100. and go to prison. Steal $100 Million, go to summer camp...

 

[GTaudiophile]

I am frankly disgusted by all accounts.

But if I am to believe in God, then I am to believe in His justice. If Mr. Lay truly was guilty, then the Lord surely dealt with him. We have nothing to worry about.

 

[trenchfoot]

in reference to quotes from ken lay's memorial services:

i find it hard to believe that any of these people were honest in what they said of ken lay. imho, they said what they said in deference to the class of people he represented and not the man himself. if they could only see how ridiculous they looked from an "outsider's" perspective saying what they said. but then again, when amongst those that are of like mind, saying things like what came out of that funeral service is understandably obligatory in a sense.

i think the kind words spoken of ken were in fact statements made in self-righteous defense of that whole part of society that ken came from. all those rich and powerful people were reacting partly to the notion of being guilty by association and partly to the notion that the system screwed up somehow as persons of kens stature are not supposed to be convicted of anything due to the amount of money and influence they can throw around to defend themselves.

how can anyone become a victim of the very society that they are in complete control of. unspeakable. the nerve of the peasant class.

 

[FrancesBeansRevenge]

Originally posted by: tweaker2
in reference to quotes from ken lay's memorial services:

i find it hard to believe that any of these people were honest in what they said of ken lay. imho, they said what they said in deference to the class of people he represented and not the man himself. if they could only see how ridiculous they looked from an "outsider's" perspective saying what they said. but then again, when amongst those that are of like mind, saying things like what came out of that funeral service is understandably obligatory in a sense.

i think the kind words spoken of ken were in fact statements made in self-righteous defense of that whole part of society that ken came from. all those rich and powerful people were reacting partly to the notion of being guilty by association and partly to the notion that the system screwed up somehow as persons of kens stature are not supposed to be convicted of anything due to the amount of money and influence they can throw around to defend themselves.

how can anyone become a victim of the very society that they are in complete control of. unspeakable. the nerve of the peasant class.

Great post.

 

[LunarRay]

Enron's rapid stock decline was the biggest reason behind the fall of Enron. The notes had covenents that 'called' the notes if certain Balance Sheet ratios were missed. This occured in short order because of the illegal actions of the few and their off shore get rich scams and them becoming known to the press. Shilling probably knew what was afoot and saw it as another means of hiding off balace sheet losses... at the time I think we had Public Accountants reviewing these 'schemes'.
Lay lost a fortune.. over 400 million. I don't think he was properly vested in his portfolio and may have or should have sensed (being a Ph.D. Economist) that what could occur would. To say he conspired to defraud is the best they could do as a charge and it was in his company meetings to sharholders that most was done... I guess most Chairmen would say the same thing at that kind of meeting...

Edit: IMO

 

[tommywishbone]

I enjoyed when the New York Times called him, Cheato Lay.

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

Originally posted by: Pens1566

Originally posted by: BoomerD
I think the majority of us wish the bstard would have lived, and gone on to prison, where he could have been Bubb'a b*tch...That's a more appropriate punishment for the fvcking he gave America.

He would've ended up in a min-security country club prison. The worst thing that would happen to him in prison is a sprained ankle from playing tennis.

I believe I've seen one of the Club Feds in northern California (Dublin). It's a minimum security facility for women but it looked like a junior college.


When it comes to money and business, it's obvious Lay was a lowlife crook . . . or high society thief . . . whatever. But my understanding is that in Texas and Houston in particular, he gave a lot to his community. As the ledger works, you usually add up the good, subtract the bad, and then call it as you see it.

He's definitely not in the league with Dennis Kozlowski or Neil Bush.

 

[FrancesBeansRevenge]

Originally posted by: bamacre
You need a new sense of humor, and some respect for others wouldn't hurt, either.

I see your concern.

However, Islam is and has been mocked, joked about and/or insulted countless times of this forum. 'Pictures' of Muhammad were posted though that's highly offensive to Muslims.

Also, I myself have mocked Scientology a number of times on this forum.

So, which religions are protected from scorn or even tasteless jokes? All or none would be my vote.

 

[Aisengard]

Catholics need to get over themselves.

I, for one, thought it was mildly amusing. Although I think Harvey is now just saying it just to get a rise out of the Bible-thumpers, which isn't right, and isn't honorable.

 

[Polish3d]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: Frackal

Originally posted by: Rainsford
I think perhaps the most revealing thing Dubya has ever said was during the last time he was on Larry King live when Larry asked him about his reaction to the news of Ken Lay's death. Without even pausing, Bush launched into this whole thing about what a great guy Ken Lay was, and how it was terrible that he died and everything. And while Bush didn't ignore the evil crap Lay did, he brushed it off as some sort of big misunderstanding. The fact that, for some reason, a lot of the people at the top don't seem to consider crimes of the wealthy to be crimes at all has to got be the biggest failing of this country.

Any chance of a link to that?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAMJUQu9...ated&search=larry%20king%20bush%2060th

There ya go...

IMO you did not characterize that accurately, although thanks for the link.

He said:


"I'm disappointed he betrayed the trust of the shareholders"

and not much else positive besides saying he was generous with some charity stuff in Houston.

I dont think Bush came off badly at all there...


????

 

[daveymark]

The only trait Kenny shares with Jesus is the fact that they both aren't dead right now

 

[morkinva]

Eulogy:

We are all richer for having known him

[/leno]

 

[Red Dawn]

Just shows how convenient being a Christian is, you can be a total hypocrite about it your whole life but in the end if you ask for forgiveness you're ok. No wonder so many on the far right embrace it.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Just shows how convenient being a Christian is, you can be a total hypocrite about it your whole life but in the end if you ask for forgiveness you're ok. No wonder so many on the far right embrace it.

Not exactly. You have to repent. It's not. "Hey I'm dying, er, im sorry"
He would have to be genuinely sorry for all he did, not sorry for being caught. That's a harder thing than many realize.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Just shows how convenient being a Christian is, you can be a total hypocrite about it your whole life but in the end if you ask for forgiveness you're ok. No wonder so many on the far right embrace it.

Not exactly. You have to repent. It's not. "Hey I'm dying, er, im sorry"
He would have to be genuinely sorry for all he did, not sorry for being caught. That's a harder thing than many realize.

LOL, like it really matters. IMO all it does is eaze ones mind when they are about to perish.

 

[ayabe]

Frankly I'm a little more upset with the comparisons to MLK, who was a real person whose deeds can be verified. If there were any African Americans there I would hope that they would have left in digust.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Just shows how convenient being a Christian is, you can be a total hypocrite about it your whole life but in the end if you ask for forgiveness you're ok. No wonder so many on the far right embrace it.

Not exactly. You have to repent. It's not. "Hey I'm dying, er, im sorry"
He would have to be genuinely sorry for all he did, not sorry for being caught. That's a harder thing than many realize.

LOL, like it really matters. IMO all it does is eaze ones mind when they are about to perish.

Sorry, I forgot what this place was like.

 

[Shuxclams]

lauded as a devout Christian and family leader the man who built Enron into an international energy powerhouse

Laughable and disgusting all at once.








SHUX

 

[Shuxclams]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: BrownTown
While Ken Lay is certainly not a good guy, and certainlly not Jesus, he goes get way to much of the blaim for what happened to Enron. Questionable accounting and such is nothing new by any means, the problem was of course that Enrons buisness was failing, and no amount of playing with the numbers could help them. The collapse of Enron wasn't due to the accounting practices, the accounting was done to try to conceal the collapsing company. It just happened that it failed so fantastically and so many people were hurt by it that someone HAD to be scapegoated. Ken Lay of course is the natural target, and while what he did was morally wrong, and illegal I think it sould also be noted that it was not entirely uncommon.

In conclusion, Ken Lay is a bad guy, but hes not some villian like he is made out to be in the press etc...

This is exactly the kind of bullshit we need a lot less of in this country. It doesn't matter if "everyone does it", it's still wildly illegal and very immoral...and it's certainly theft, as investors lost a lot of money because Ken Lay lied about the state of the company. Yeah, it's not his fault the company ran into the ground, but it's damn sure his fault that he took as many people down with the company as possible just to try and save his own ass.

 

[Shuxclams]

Originally posted by: Pens1566
zendari doesn't like it, so it must be right. Continue dancing on grave.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Just shows how convenient being a Christian is, you can be a total hypocrite about it your whole life but in the end if you ask for forgiveness you're ok. No wonder so many on the far right embrace it.

Not exactly. You have to repent. It's not. "Hey I'm dying, er, im sorry"
He would have to be genuinely sorry for all he did, not sorry for being caught. That's a harder thing than many realize.

LOL, like it really matters. IMO all it does is eaze ones mind when they are about to perish.

Sorry, I forgot what this place was like.

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