Kellyanne Conway - 'Go buy Ivanka's stuff'

[raildogg]

And generalizations and false equivalencies help less.

We have enough people believing in this corrupt system of D's and R's. How many more Presidential cycles do you need to see to realize that the whole system needs to be gotten rid of. As long as this system exists, none of these people with D's and R's in front of their names will help anyone but themselves.

 

[outriding]

This post is brought to you by Ivanka Trumps clothing line.

 

[raildogg]

Yes the Democratic Tribe who saw this shit show coming lost to Trump. And somehow they are responsible for this? Please explain to me how the people who voted against this this shit show are equivalent to those who voted for it? Only in your false equivalency world.

The angry people who voted for Trump would have gotten even angrier and would have rallied harder in the next cycle to put their favorite puppet in office.

Remember, the people are responsible for their countries. We need to stop the blind faith in D's and R's. Partisanship is tribalism, as Orisis said above.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

The angry people who voted for Trump would have gotten even angrier and would have rallied harder in the next cycle to put their favorite puppet in office.

Remember, the people are responsible for their countries. We need to stop the blind faith in D's and R's. Partisanship is tribalism, as Orisis said above.

It's like one half of the boat blaming the other half for their side sinking faster.

 

[ivwshane]

It's like one half of the boat blaming the other half for their side sinking faster.

No its like one half blaming the other half for the sinking ship while they are pouring more buckets of water into the boat. Meanwhile, the accused is using what ever necessary to get the water out, including using their hands and scooping it out. All while you and people like raildogg complain that both sides are the same.

 

[sdifox]

It's like one half of the boat blaming the other half for their side sinking faster.

yeah I really don't get why Americans are playing into politicians' hands so willingly. Enough with the R vs D venom and start watching all the politicians.

 

[fskimospy]

They get by on a technicality. Trump and his family actually have no friends (this is pretty much verified reporting from primary sources of many of those close to Trump, about Trump--I'm just extrapolating that to his family). Nor, for that matter, does Kellyanne. I mean, think about it--how do you remain friends with someone who's loyalty is bought by the first shiny object that grabs her attention?

Nope, even if that were the case look at the quote you used:

An employee shall not use his public office for his own private gain, for the endorsement of any product, service or enterprise, or for the private gain of friends, relatives.

Simply by saying that people should buy Ivanka Trump's stuff she violated the law even if she'd never met Ivanka in her entire life.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

No its like one half blaming the other half for the sinking ship while they are pouring more buckets of water into the boat. Meanwhile, the accused is using what ever necessary to get the water out, including using their hands and scooping it out. All while you and people like raildogg complain that both sides are the same.

Both sides see the other side as you do. That's *exactly* what the politicians who are widening the hole intend.

 

[raildogg]

No its like one half blaming the other half for the sinking ship while they are pouring more buckets of water into the boat. Meanwhile, the accused is using what ever necessary to get the water out, including using their hands and scooping it out. All while you and people like raildogg complain that both sides are the same.

From what I've seen, the anti-Trump people are not nobler in any way than the pro-Trump people. Both sides are not the same but both sides are part of the "system."

If we move beyond thinking in terms of politics, from what I've seen, your ordinary Democrat is not any more sincere and honest than the Republican. Yeah, they might differ on policy, religion and other things but in day to day life, one is not better than the other.

Putting yourself into little camps like Democrats or Republicans is not going to help anyone. It just puts more barriers between you and the other person who might be on the opposite side of you.

 

[raildogg]

Both sides see the other side as you do. That's *exactly* what the politicians who are widening the hole intend.

The elite, such as top politicians, business leaders, etc. want people identifying themselves into little groups. That way, it's easier to manipulate them.

They want loyal fans of Apple, Intel, Democratic party, Republican party, Patriot's fans, etc. They want a bunch of followers and that's exactly what our society is.

 

[fskimospy]

yeah I really don't get why Americans are playing into politicians' hands so willingly. Enough with the R vs D venom and start watching all the politicians.

I think this is a common misconception, the politicians we see are not the CAUSE of the partisan divide in the US, they are the RESULT of it. Partisan polarization among voters has happened to a much greater and quicker degree than it happened among legislators. It's the personal echo chambers and the self segregation of people into political bubbles that has caused this, not some nefarious cabal of politicians. Just look at what happens when politicians compromise: they get thrown out on their ass during the next primary election. This is somewhat the case in both parties, but it is a particularly fearsome aspect of modern conservatism.

We need to accept that the blame lies with us, not try and blame someone else for the electorate's failings and excessive partisanship. You aren't being manipulated, you're the manipulator.

 

[sdifox]

I wanted to support Ivanka, but I just learned her cloth are Made in China. That is not America First. So where is the 30% tariff? :awe:

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

From what I've seen, the anti-Trump people are not nobler in any way than the pro-Trump people. Both sides are not the same but both sides are part of the "system."

If we move beyond thinking in terms of politics, from what I've seen, your ordinary Democrat is not any more sincere and honest than the Republican. Yeah, they might differ on policy, religion and other things but in day to day life, one is not better than the other.

Putting yourself into little camps like Democrats or Republicans is not going to help anyone. It just puts more barriers between you and the other person who might be on the opposite side of you.

Yep.. When you take a step back and get rid of the D and R, our two candidates last election cycle were as follows:

One candidate who was a self-proclaimed sexual assaulter, someone with a questionable financial history, generally uninformed and unready to take the position he was vying for, and overall a giant cockwaffle.

Other candidate was very probably a felon (who, if she was anyone else, would have likely been arrested), also has a questionable financial history, and could possibly be implicated in a very serious multinational crime/failure of leadership

Like, really? That's the best we could end up with? And you know, objectively, that either one of these candidates would pick people at the same 'level' as them to help run the country. It would have just been a different pack of shitbags.

 

[ivwshane]

From what I've seen, the anti-Trump people are not nobler in any way than the pro-Trump people. Both sides are not the same but both sides are part of the "system."

If we move beyond thinking in terms of politics, from what I've seen, your ordinary Democrat is not any more sincere and honest than the Republican. Yeah, they might differ on policy, religion and other things but in day to day life, one is not better than the other.

Putting yourself into little camps like Democrats or Republicans is not going to help anyone. It just puts more barriers between you and the other person who might be on the opposite side of you.

I'm not talking about party supporters, I'm talking about politicians.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

I think this is a common misconception, the politicians we see are not the CAUSE of the partisan divide in the US, they are the RESULT of it. Partisan polarization among voters has happened to a much greater and quicker degree than it happened among legislators. It's the personal echo chambers and the self segregation of people into political bubbles that has caused this, not some nefarious cabal of politicians. Just look at what happens when politicians compromise: they get thrown out on their ass during the next primary election. This is somewhat the case in both parties, but it is a particularly fearsome aspect of modern conservatism.

We need to accept that the blame lies with us, not try and blame someone else for the electorate's failings and excessive partisanship. You aren't being manipulated, you're the manipulator.

I'd argue that they are the cause, but they're more an incompetent cabal, not necessarily a competent (nefarious) one. As election cycles have gone on, candidates have tested the waters to the further left/right of what the party line was the previous cycle, and as they get support (in some cases, more support) due to the demographic accepting this as 'the new way', they push even further, until you reach what we have now.

EDIT: To clarify, I'm not absolving blame, at the end of the day we elect the asshats. Just saying they aren't *only* a effect of our actions, they can also be a cause.

 

[cytg111]

Kellyanne ... can we dig up some old highschool math tests of hers? I think maybe she *is* a little retarded ...

 

[ivwshane]

Yep.. When you take a step back and get rid of the D and R, our two candidates last election cycle were as follows:

One candidate who was a self-proclaimed sexual assaulter, someone with a questionable financial history, generally uninformed and unready to take the position he was vying for, and overall a giant cockwaffle.

Other candidate was very probably a felon (who, if she was anyone else, would have likely been arrested), also has a questionable financial history, and could possibly be implicated in a very serious multinational crime/failure of leadership

Like, really? That's the best we could end up with? And you know, objectively, that either one of these candidates would pick people at the same 'level' as them to help run the country. It would have just been a different pack of shitbags.

Thanks for illustrating my point and eskimospy's point, you, the voter are the problem.

Uneducated, easily fooled, easily manipulated, and intellectually lazy, are all causes you demonstrate and are why such polarization is allowed to happen in the first place.

Again, you are the problem.

 

[raildogg]

Yep.. When you take a step back and get rid of the D and R, our two candidates last election cycle were as follows:

One candidate who was a self-proclaimed sexual assaulter, someone with a questionable financial history, generally uninformed and unready to take the position he was vying for, and overall a giant cockwaffle.

Other candidate was very probably a felon (who, if she was anyone else, would have likely been arrested), also has a questionable financial history, and could possibly be implicated in a very serious multinational crime/failure of leadership

Like, really? That's the best we could end up with? And you know, objectively, that either one of these candidates would pick people at the same 'level' as them to help run the country. It would have just been a different pack of shitbags.

Hillary and Trump are out for themselves only and the reason they rose so much is because of how much they deceived people. That is the only way to rise in this corrupt system - whether your a Democrat or a Republican. If Hillary won, the people opposed to her would be attacking her day and night saying all sorts of things (true or not). Her followers would probably look the other way just like Trump followers look the other way when Trump does something crooked (which is all the time).

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Thanks for illustrating my point and eskimospy's point, you, the voter are the problem.

Uneducated, easily fooled, easily manipulated, and intellectually lazy, are all causes you demonstrate and are why such polarization is allowed to happen in the first place.

Again, you are the problem.

You're practicing tribalism just the same. I didn't vote for either of these clowns, so don't try to cast a holier than thou net over me.

 

[fskimospy]

I'd argue that they are the cause, but they're more an incompetent cabal, not necessarily a competent (nefarious) one. As election cycles have gone on, candidates have tested the waters to the further left/right of what the party line was the previous cycle, and as they get support (in some cases, more support) due to the demographic accepting this as 'the new way', they push even further, until you reach what we have now.

Yes exactly, each cycle sees new candidates willing to push further to the left or right and the primary voters often go that way. This isn't action by the politicians in power, these are new people trying to oust the politicians in power. It's why you see so many Republicans refuse to vote for things they will privately admit are a good idea, they are terrified of the next primary. The debt ceiling debacle is a great example of this. Plenty of Republicans said they knew the debt ceiling had to be raised but no one was willing to risk the wrath of primary voters to do it.

It's a bitter thing to accept but it's true. The problem here is not the politicians, it's the voters. They are the ones driving polarization.

 

[raildogg]

I'm not talking about party supporters, I'm talking about politicians.

I say that we people need to look beyond politicians and look to make this world better through our way of living.

Let's put away all the barriers that divide us and work together to make it better. Put away your D's and R's. Put away your race and religion.

Forget the lying politicians that belong to the corrupt and immoral system. The system cannot be changed because the people you are voting for are part of that system.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Hillary and Trump are out for themselves only and the reason they rose so much is because of how much they deceived people. That is the only way to rise in this corrupt system - whether your a Democrat or a Republican. If Hillary won, the people opposed to her would be attacking her day and night saying all sorts of things (true or not). Her followers would probably look the other way just like Trump followers look the other way when Trump does something crooked (which is all the time).

Most likely, to all points. You have to be corrupt to rise in a corrupt system.

Maybe we should shift to just electing the president from a bucket of names? Probably couldn't be much worse at this point.

 

[theeedude]

Broke federal law, lock her up.

 

[jtvang125]

http://money.cnn.com/2017/02/09/news/office-government-ethics-kellyanne-conway/index.html

Maybe this will light a fire under these ethics committees. It got Jason Chaffetz to speak up about it and say "clearly over the line". Will it lead to anything? I seriously doubt it.

 

[raildogg]

http://money.cnn.com/2017/02/09/news/office-government-ethics-kellyanne-conway/index.html

Maybe this will light a fire under these ethics committees. It got Jason Chaffetz to speak up about it and say "clearly over the line". Will it lead to anything? I seriously doubt it.

We are living in a reality show.

Makes sense since Trump was a reality show star.