Kavanaugh SCOTUS Senate Judicial Hearing

[pcgeek11]

Fuck Susan Collins

LOL

 

[fskimospy]

The 3 other people she named as witnesses support Kavanaugh's story that he wasn't there and didn't do it, not her.

This is false, and you are repeating another misrepresentation made by Kavanaugh. They say they can’t remember, not that he wasn’t there. In fact, one of the three has explicitly said they believe Ford to be correct.

 

[Victorian Gray]

This is false, and you are repeating another misrepresentation made by Kavanaugh. They say they can’t remember, not that he wasn’t there. In fact, one of the three has explicitly said they believe Ford to be correct.

He's been told that multiple times. He doesn't care.

 

[fskimospy]

He's been told that multiple times. He doesn't care.

This much is true! Like I said before he’s lying and he knows he’s lying.

 

[Bitek]

Ford said he was a witness but that has not been corroborated by anyone unless I missed something. The senate, dems or repubs, did not call anyone else that was supposed to be at the house during the assault to testify for or against Ford.

Has the FBI investigation report been leaked yet? I expect it to be soon but how do you know he was not aggressively interviewed by the FBI?

Yes that's the kicker.

Dems can't call (subpoena) anyone as they aren't the majority. They asked.

Judge went into hiding.

Rs refused the request to call him in.


It's not hard to not find anything when you don't look.

 

[Dari]

The fallout from this attack on Kavanaugh is real.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/kavana...Id=0&cx_testVariant=cx_1&cx_artPos=0#cxrecs_s

Kavanaugh May Be the Democrats’ Waterloo
The Supreme Court has always been political, but this time the demagoguery got way out of hand.

The nine long faces that stare back in photographs of the U.S. Supreme Court radiate a sobriety intended to convince us that it is a bastion of deliberation, reason and uprightness, walled off from the messy business of politics. Nothing has done more to turn that perception upside-down than the past two weeks of sound and fury over the nomination of Brett Kavanaugh.

Perhaps the perception itself has been part of the problem. From the beginning, the Supreme Court was much more of a political cockpit than the legend of jurisprudential neutrality suggests. John Marshall, the most significant chief justice in the court’s history, was appointed by President John Adams in the dying weeks of Adams’s administration specifically to discomfit the incoming president, Thomas Jefferson. Marshall did so by asserting the court’s power to review federal legislation and giving Jefferson’s nemesis, Aaron Burr, a free pass at his treason trial in 1807.


The courts were notoriously politicized in the fight over slavery. The Judiciary Acts of 1789 and 1837 both required that as new states were admitted to the Union, new federal judicial districts be created for them. If those new states were slave states, pro-slavery jurists from them became candidates for the Supreme Court. By the 1850s, the Supreme Court was composed of “five slaveholders and two or three doughfaces,” in the words of Horace Greeley.

Not much has changed in the last half-century of culture wars. The 1969 nominations of Clement Haynsworth and G. Harrold Carswell both foundered on civil-rights politics. Robert Bork went aground on both civil rights and Roe v. Wade—which was itself the product of considerable political jockeying among the justices on the court at that time. Anyone who imagines that the Supreme Court floats serenely above the political fray knows little of its history. The Kavanaugh fight was just another turn of the screw.

When President Trump nominated Judge Kavanaugh in July to fill Justice Anthony Kennedy’s seat, the consensus among the wise heads was that the president had played it safe. Judge Kavanaugh was a carefully vetted Kennedy protégé with a sterling reputation and a long history of inside-the-Beltway service. The liberal Yale Law School professor Akhil Amar wrote that the nomination was Mr. Trump’s “classiest move” yet.

What turned Judge Kavanaugh’s confirmation process into the biggest judicial firestorm in decades had little to do with Judge Kavanaugh and a lot to do with Democrats’s overconfidence that his nomination could be turned into a Republican Waterloo. Driven by the conviction that they were riding a big blue wave to the November shore, Democrats laid into Judge Kavanaugh in the hope that something about the nominee could be confected into a seismic rumble and turn the wave into a tsunami.


They did not find much. Although Judge Kavanaugh generated baskets upon baskets of documents during his years in the Bush White House, they contained little that set political pulses fluttering. Ditto for his decisions on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit, which were routinely very conservative but largely concerned out-of-the-spotlight issues such as environmental regulation and due process. Of the 14 Kavanaugh opinions later reviewed by the Supreme Court, 13 were upheld.


It was not until a sensational sexual-assault allegation lodged by Christine Blasey Ford was made public in mid-September that the Kavanaugh confirmation appeared to be in any danger, and even then, the charge had the uncomfortable appearance of a Democratic Hail Mary play. The case did not grow stronger over the 10 days that followed Ms. Ford’s first public statement. Purported participants or witnesses denied recollection of any assault or of even being present at the party Ms. Ford described.

In their testimonies last week, both Judge Kavanaugh and Ms. Ford had some pinholes pricked through their testimonies: he about his wild student life at Georgetown Prep and Yale, she about factual inconsistencies and potential political motivations. But by the end Sen. Dianne Feinstein and the Judiciary Committee Democrats were left without a meaningful case. Judge Kavanaugh might have gone on to a swift confirmation vote had it not been for the last-minute insistence of Sen. Jeff Flake on an additional FBI investigation into the Ford allegations.

I have undergone an FBI investigation. In my case, it was for a relatively harmless executive appointment. While it might sound like a forbidding exercise in mystery noir, the reality was nearly as humdrum as a mail delivery. Calls for an investigation arose less from a genuine effort to uncover the truth about a 1982 teen drinking party than from a desire simply to delay the vote. But with the submission of the FBI report, nods of approval from Sens. Flake and Joe Manchin, and Sen. Susan Collins’s powerful speech Friday announcing her support for Judge Kavanaugh, the last obstacles to confirmation evaporated. The Democrats spent a lot of credibility over seven days, but they didn’t get anything in return except the opportunity to grandstand.

If Sen. Feinstein was convinced that Ms. Ford’s allegations were serious, she should have shared them with the Judiciary Committee or law enforcement when they first came to her attention weeks earlier. That hesitation—and then the demand for a delay to conduct an FBI investigation—have combined to make Mrs. Feinstein look uncertain and perhaps unscrupulous. Judge Kavanaugh’s critics did not make themselves look better by turning on the FBI itself when it did not find what they wanted, with Sen. Richard Blumenthal making the McCarthyesque claim that it “smacks of a coverup.” Ms. Feinstein herself said “the most notable part of this report is what’s not in it,” suggesting (again) that she has access to some secret knowledge about the case that she won’t share.

Democrats have also cited Judge Kavanaugh’s angry testimony denying sexual assault as itself disqualifying—as if he had no business crying out while being stretched on the rack. He might not have been as deferential to the senators as norms of judicial gravitas would dictate, but he was certainly more poised than his inquisitors. In the end, even that line of attack accomplished nothing.

This process has inflicted real damage to Judge Kavanaugh and Ms. Ford—enough to make any intelligent citizen wonder if it would ever be worth entering public service. But the most immediate casualty is likely to be the much-hyped November blue wave. If a vote for a Democratic majority in the Senate is a vote for the tactics of Sen. Feinstein, or for the boorish behavior of Sens. Blumenthal, Cory Booker and Kamala Harris, then that vote may not materialize at all.

In the Missouri Senate race, Republican Josh Hawley has overtaken incumbent Sen. Claire McCaskill, largely in reaction to the Kavanaugh hearings. In North Dakota, Republican Kevin Cramer has opened up a yawning lead over Sen. Heidi Heitkamp. The newest Quinnipiac and NPR/PBS NewsHour polls show that the Democratic generic-ballot advantage has halved and the party’s enthusiasm advantage has vanished.

Napoleon counted on offensive bluster at Waterloo to give him victory, and it failed. By amplifying the politicization of the judiciary, Democrats may have achieved a Waterloo—but not the one they imagined.

Mr. Guelzo is a professor of history at Gettysburg College.

 

[zinfamous]

The fallout from this attack on Kavanaugh is real.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/kavana...Id=0&cx_testVariant=cx_1&cx_artPos=0#cxrecs_s

Yo Dari, did you ever get around to murdering your girlfriend?

 

[zinfamous]

you must be confused... voter fraud is a blue leftist ideal, not republican.

You're not going to like that actual data if you ever deigned to investigate it yourself.

 

[fskimospy]

The fallout from this attack on Kavanaugh is real.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/kavana...Id=0&cx_testVariant=cx_1&cx_artPos=0#cxrecs_s

Lol, good job finding an opinion piece that told you what you wanted to hear. In reality, Kavanaugh was explicitly marked ahead of time as the costliest and most difficult person to confirm by no less than Mitch McConnell.

It’s amazing that you guys are already rewriting history in your heads. The poll cherry picking by that guy is hilarious though, the democrats’ advantage in the Quinnipiac poll did indeed get cut in half from 14 to 7. He (shockingly) fails to mention at the same time another major pollster had it doubling from 6 to 12. Gee, I wonder why he didn’t mention that. Lol.

 

[Dari]

Yo Dari, did you ever get around to murdering your girlfriend?

Nah, just the punani. Moved on to other punanis. A man needs options.

 

[UNCjigga]

Damn, conservatives are ecstatic today, swilling beers and falling over themselves in celebration.
https://twitter.com/nycsouthpaw/status/1048419751557550081?s=21

 

[Ackmed]

The complete melt down by the left is just sad. Bad enough to be a blizzard warning from all the snowflakes it has produced. Every single bit of evidence, supports Kav. Ford has been proven to be a liar in some things. Too scared to fly? Nope, she flew all the time for years, until she tried to claim it was a fear for this. Really only one reason why that card was played at this time. Second door? Nope. Her one time best friend denied she knew anything about it. In fact, she claims to be pressured into changing her story by none other than the woman who is alleged to have been coached on a poly by Ford. Zero witnesses can testify about first hand knowledge of anything that Kav is to have allegedly done. Zero. Some people just cant grasp this concept. All the evidence is on Kav's side. All of it.

The left has proven once again, who the deplorables really are. Doxxing, threatening, attacks, etc people who they don't agree with about this is just further proof that when they go low, they keep going lower. They don't give a shit about women who have allegedly been assaulted by a man, if so the same treatment would be given to Keith Ellison. Who's accuser actually has some evidence, and a corroborating witness. Even without that, believe all women right? Well no, only when alleged wrong doing be someone on the right. Alyssa Milano exhibits the complete hypocrisy of the left perfectly. Telling Bill Clinton that she loves him, like crazy amounts. Someone who has been much more credibly accused, by many more women. Someone who actually admitted to sex, after lying about it first. She loves him. Believe all women? Not even close. This is exactly how Dems feel, they don't believe all women, or hold all men to the same standard. People claim these are just Republican talking points, because they dont want to actually address the double standard. The same people who claim to be so upset about the alleged assault by Kav, do not hold Dems by the same standard. This has been proven time after time.Of he drank some beer? Oh no! Obama admitted to drinking a six pack in an hour and doing illegal drugs in an interview, but not complains from Dems about that. No calls for being unfit. Its so easy to see right their the facade of the left on this subject.

Now the claim is that he got upset when accused? I don't know who wouldn't be upset about being accused of this. Having his family drug through the mud and threatened, even his kids being attacked by the media. Sitting in front of the entire country, and repeatedly asked the same questions over and over again. Look at how people get upset on these forums and lose their shit when they hide behind a screen and have anonymity. We all would have gotten heated being in the same setting, that is a fact.

People believe Ford with zero evidence to support her claims. All evidence supports Kav. She should have been heard. The way that the Dems used her, is just pathetic though. Sitting on it, instead of being able to take as long as everyone wanted, leaking who it was, and so many more acts that are pathetic. It'll be interesting to see people flip flop when its a different story, believing the accused over the accuser. But then again, happens all the time around here and they think they dont have a bias or agenda.

 

[Starbuck1975]

He is an extremist, for example, he thinks that your ISP is not a "pipeline operator" for content you decide, but an "editor" or "speaker" with a First Amendment right to decide what content you get to see:
“The First Amendment does not allow the FCC to treat Internet service providers as mere pipeline operators rather than as First Amendment-protected editors and speakers.”

I don’t know that we have a good answer for net neutrality. Trump’s victory and even this whole Kavanaugh affair demonstrates that social media and viral content is a direct threat to our democracy. The pipeline operators are more than just couriers.

 

[dank69]

The fallout from this attack on Kavanaugh is real.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/kavana...Id=0&cx_testVariant=cx_1&cx_artPos=0#cxrecs_s

The fallout from this attack on Kavanaugh is real.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/kavana...Id=0&cx_testVariant=cx_1&cx_artPos=0#cxrecs_s

I welcome our new Republican overlords and can't wait to see you in the bread lines with me. Hopefully our kids are sent overseas together to murder more brown people.

 

[dank69]

I don’t know that we have a good answer for net neutrality. ...

That's because you are fucking retarded.

 

[FelixDeCat]

I welcome our new Republican overlords and can't wait to see you in the bread lines with me. Hopefully our kids are sent overseas together to murder more brown people.

This is why Democrats cant win elections anymore. They have to a sensible alternative, not just "the other party" that is filled with wackos.

Republicans have been in control for some time now and the economy is doing just fine, thank you.

 

[dank69]

This is why Democrats cant win elections anymore. They have to a sensible alternative, not just "the other party" that is filled with wackos.

Republicans have been in control for some time now and the economy is doing just fine, thank you.

It was doing just fine in 2006 and 2007 too you shortsighted shitstain. If America doesn't think "not crazy" isn't a good enough selling point feel free to keep voting for malicious ass rape.

 

[kage69]

Let's all take a moment to imagine what would be happening if the roles were reversed. What would the reaction be like on the right if a Putin-tainted Democratic president selected a MoveOn devotee, who always sided with liberal decisions on cases, said no thanks to recusal despite a conflict of interest, who got frothy about the Koch Brothers and republicans at hearing, then lied.

Egads.

The party before country types are rejoicing because they're either too stupid, or indoctrinated, to figure it out - even while repeating the "the shoe will be on the other foot someday! think of the future!" The sanctimonious yet tone deaf thing seems to be a theme with them. It's like a parrot that only screeches one thing.

Oh well, the Honorable(?) Boof Kavanaugh gets an asterisk next to his name along with that seat. Not unlike Trump really.

 

[emperus]

I can't seem to follow the Republican party, that's a lie I can, I mean the people who vote Republican. What does Elite mean nowadays? It would seem that a Yale Legacy who went to privileged schools his whole life would define as the epitome of the Elite. How did Kavanugh become the every man whom the Republicans are getting their masses to follow?

 

[ch33zw1z]

I can't seem to follow the Republican party, that's a lie I can, I mean the people who vote Republican. What does Elite mean nowadays? It would seem that a Yale Legacy who went to privileged schools his whole life would define as the epitome of the Elite. How did Kavanugh become the every man whom the Republicans are getting their masses to follow?

Seriously, you can't fix stupid.

 

[Starbuck1975]

That's because you are fucking retarded.

yawn

 

[Jaskalas]

The fallout from this attack on Kavanaugh is real.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/kavana...Id=0&cx_testVariant=cx_1&cx_artPos=0#cxrecs_s

This process has inflicted real damage to Judge Kavanaugh and Ms. Ford—enough to make any intelligent citizen wonder if it would ever be worth entering public service. But the most immediate casualty is likely to be the much-hyped November blue wave. If a vote for a Democratic majority in the Senate is a vote for the tactics of Sen. Feinstein, or for the boorish behavior of Sens. Blumenthal, Cory Booker and Kamala Harris, then that vote may not materialize at all.

If only it were so simple.

But my decisions are not so milquetoast as to be swayed by the childish and partisan antics of the morons "leading" this country. Yes, they stink. But so do we all. Or at least, in this case, both sides stink. But I stand firm on policy and primarily on economics. There is a disease of trickle down tearing this country apart. For 40+ years our people have suffered in ever increasing amounts, year by year. Sure our fortunes rise and fall during this time, but like Sea Level Rise, the tide is changing - even as it ever changes.

Do you understand?

I'm saying that now the economy "feels" good, Wall Street is happy. The decline in wages may have even stalled for a year or two. Whoo! Unless, one was looking for a true and honest recovery. If you recount the losses incurred since the 1970s, if you understood Income Inequality and the loss of value in labor - then now is no time to celebrate. Positive news for Wall Street is hardly positive news for workers. They take and they keep. Force their hand and they just play games. Amazon, $15/hr... yay? Wrong. They slashed everything else in response. Trickle down is a lie.

And even if everyone achieved the "great" effort of $15/hr, that does not cover the gap since the 1970s. It is larger than that. You'd need AT LEAST the $20/hr range, but we all know jobs are not "worth" that to employers. They are cutting labor everywhere they can, as they always have. Republicans live in a delusion that they can just screw workers over. And sure, they've been rewarded plenty for it. But some day there'll be a reckoning. Especially as automation accelerates. What sort of bootstraps do you offer to the future unemployed?

!@#$ that, !@#$ all of it. The party that stands against social safety nets must be defeated. It must end. Now my "side" might do some terrible, stupid, partisan, even hateful !@#$ at times. But they're still more likely to vote in favor of the worker. In favor of helping people instead of telling them FYGM. And that position is worth EVERYTHING. It is essential and required for us to make Democrats the majority so we can help our people.

Yes, they fail. They compromise. That lack of strength is not cause for making them weaker. If $15/hr is not enough, you don't fold up and accept a regression back to $7/hr. No. You press on. You keep fighting. You do everything in your power to sponsor those who listen to reason, who generally want to do the right thing, and who are most supportive of social safety nets. Because we're going to need them. And yes, in the primary I'll fight tooth and nail for true progressive candidates who preach the gosipel of Sanders.

But failing to be a good Democrat, does not mean that they're as bad as a Republican.

Sorry if that offends anyone, but that's just how I feel, and how I reason for our needs on policy. There's good policy, bad policy, and downright awful policy. In the fight for good policy, bad policy is still closer to the goal than awful policy. So too are the people in DC. Not my cup of tea, but at least they ain't poison. And I can always push for better tea, so long as I don't drink the kool-aid.

 

[dasherHampton]

Is this novel of a thread worth reading or is it mostly just a collection of insults?

 

[cytg111]

Is this novel of a thread worth reading or is it mostly just a collection of insults?

50/50

 

[soundforbjt]

I can't seem to follow the Republican party, that's a lie I can, I mean the people who vote Republican. What does Elite mean nowadays? It would seem that a Yale Legacy who went to privileged schools his whole life would define as the epitome of the Elite. How did Kavanugh become the every man whom the Republicans are getting their masses to follow?

He gets to wear a robe and drinks beer, so do they...