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Kashmir crisis
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308nato
Platinum Member
I think this conflict is about as deep as this; the 2 principals can't stand each other. If India gets tired of putting up with the PAK's crap they will make their move. I don't know enough about it to say who Kashmir belongs to and I don't care. All I know is that its one of my favorite Led Zeppelin tunes.
mAdD INDIAN
Diamond Member
You just said the Indians are passive people...aren't Muslims who have lived in India their entire lives Indian??
An Indian can be a Muslim, Hindu, Christian, Jew, Bhuddist, etc....Indian and Pakistani..those are nationalities....not religion. This war is between two Nationalities who are fighting in the name of religion...as wrong as that is.
Yes Indian people are passive, too passive in fact. I know..I am an Indian...and I try to back out of fights whenever I can cause I don't like trouble. Same thing applies to India..although now it may be different. Before they were always scared to fight back because of the repurcussions that would occur in the Diplomatic world. Although after Isreal lead the way by attacking Palestine...we'll see what happens. However, nukes will not be used..alteast from India.
warfare and conflict generate headlines. headline writers like things to be pretty black & white and simple. Most of the wars of the last couple of millenia have involved christians, but we don't get headlines asking what can be done about "dangerous and violent" christianity...
Hayabusa Rider
Admin Emeritus & Elite Member
Well madd, If I am wrong in this issue, I will be among the first to celebrate this fact. I based this statement radio interviews where representatives of both governments sounded quite nukish, meaning that they seemed more comfortable with using nuclear weapons than resolving whatever problems exist there. Perhaps this is just posturing, but as an outsider it seems spooky to me. Posturing has it's problems. See "13 Days"? Parts were hoaky, but what was correctly portrayed were the way things were escalating and no public backing down was going to happen. We almost had a real war. Nuke war. I see this same scenario occuring now. Again I hope I am wrong.
Hello MB. Funny thing. I have known few who want the Truth. For me Truth is objective reality. I am not smart enough to understand all that entails, but I feel that is the way of things. Most want to find reality to their liking, and if Truth is unsatisfactory, then a well constructed lie is more comforting. Which would be better, a cozy captivity, or a fearful freedom?
Hello MB. Funny thing. I have known few who want the Truth. For me Truth is objective reality. I am not smart enough to understand all that entails, but I feel that is the way of things. Most want to find reality to their liking, and if Truth is unsatisfactory, then a well constructed lie is more comforting. Which would be better, a cozy captivity, or a fearful freedom?
that is good instead of fighting at the smallest oppurtunity....from the way i look at it ...it seems that pakistan is a country which is ready to destroy itself given an oppurtunity to inflict partial damage on india....they dont seem to care abt their lives...as with all the fanactics of that religion....people like these are extremely dangerous and also it is very unfortunate that there is nothing that can be done to prevent these people from going on with their suicidal tendencies be it as an individual or a nation to push their religious cause. i always thought pakistan was a modern islamic state like turkey, but their recent past seems to indicate otherwise.
StageLeft
No Lifer
i think it's time that canada and the US decided to be stupid babies and fight over a region. What is a good region? I say southern ontario. I think that the lower 1/3 of southern ontario should be decreed a religious ground or some such sh*t. Each nation can claim right to it for some silly reason and fight over it for the next 50 years mortaring each other and killing people. What fun! Everyone should be engaged in some childish squabble.
mAdD INDIAN
Diamond Member
I don't you have an understanding of whats going on here. First of all, Pakistan and Bangladesh was all part of India, with everyone living happily.
The British were forced to leave India and decided to stir things up so they took sides with the Muslims and instigated them to fight for their own country. Now not everyone supported this..many Muslims wanted to stay in India and live as they were...and they did. The ones that didn't, well they left to form Pakistan. Mahatma Ghandi supported this move because he wanted peace <the passiveness again>. Many thought this was to be his biggest mistake, because India was all about unity..and here he is dividing it up.
Anyway, now Pakistan was formed...it was in two parts...the current Pakistan being West Pakistan and the current Bangladesh being East Pakistan. This was one country. Now the Muslims in Bangladesh got pissed and decided they wanted their own country since they weren't getting all the resources that their brothers in West Pakistan got.
So now we have three countries that used to be one. Bangladesh isn't involved in the war since they have enough problems of their own <another thread should be started on the amount of killing that goes on in there>.
Now Pakistan, still high on the fact that they got what they wanted decided that they want more land, so they decided that Kashmir should be thier's. Why? Cause well Mulsims live there of course! India decided that this was enough...they wanted to keep Kashmir for their own and people who lived there were happy being Indian. <If you've ever been to Kashmir you'll understand why India wants it...its sooo BEAUTIFUL..its like Heaven on Earth...its sad that it is being stained with unneccessary bloodshed>.
In short, you can't compare this to fighting over Southern Ontario, altho it may be better if it was under American control..maybe then we'd get proper schools, roads, infrastructure, and maybe lower taxes.
Any questions??
mAdD INDIAN
Diamond Member
Hayabusarider: Whats in your sig?? Sounds like a Hindu prayer...
mAdD INDIAN
Diamond Member
I know...I recognized Skoorb's sarcasm...
Hayabusa Rider
Admin Emeritus & Elite Member
It is from the Bhagavad Gita
It is what inspired Robert Oppenheimer to say "I have become Death, Destroyer of worlds", when he saw the A-bomb blast. Oppenheimer was in large part the leader of the Manhattan project. It is said that moment was a turning point, and ever after he was against the use of nuclear weapons. This quote seems somehow ironic in the context of this thread.
mAdD INDIAN
Diamond Member
I thought it was taken from the Gita. I remember reciting a few lines from there.
Hayabusa Rider
Admin Emeritus & Elite Member
Since he had a large part in creating the bomb, he felt responsible for making the first weapon that could wipe out humanity. Before this it was a job, a challenge, but at that moment it and all that it meant became real to him. It was an expression of despair.
chiwawa626
Lifer
mmmkay...asshole.
the reason i compared it was pakistan gov supposidly supports terrorism wether they support it militarily or by the fact that they support the terrorist groups goal, to free kashmir, that is just like palistines gov. India is the sleepy passive giant he will only strike back if provoked, and has the power to crush pakistan in 2 seconds....just like isreal can to palistine. Whats so stupid bout my comparison? You know once india gets pissed off enough and strikes back pakistan is gonna cry, just like palistine did ....
MadRat
Lifer
You do realize that China and Iran are propogating this whole crisis behind the scenes. Iran's military regime is getting awfully radical in how far they'll go in order to regain control of Iran's political system. Alot of (ignorant) Islamic extremism remains in the top of Iran's military. If they can get Pakistan destabilized it immediately makes America rethink their position in Afghanistan, a country that Iran's religious leaders (not political) would like to exert control over. An Indian invasion of Pakistan would theoretically be enough to push American forces out of the region. Bush's political advisers are keenly aware of the situation and are doing everything they can to defuse the tensions.
China is licking its chops to find a reason to deploy to the region. Once they get into the region you can be sure they'll never leave without a fight. There are alot of assets in both northern Pakistan and Afghanistan that China could use for their own intentions, plus they could curb some of the drug trade that has permeated even into their own country. China would also like to sell arms to both sides in the conflict; although arm sales during this crisis would probably be frowned upon by the U.N. it is likely that sales would not be stopped or banned by them.
China is licking its chops to find a reason to deploy to the region. Once they get into the region you can be sure they'll never leave without a fight. There are alot of assets in both northern Pakistan and Afghanistan that China could use for their own intentions, plus they could curb some of the drug trade that has permeated even into their own country. China would also like to sell arms to both sides in the conflict; although arm sales during this crisis would probably be frowned upon by the U.N. it is likely that sales would not be stopped or banned by them.
That could be a reason. But we get even less out of Israel/Palestine than we do from India/Pakistan. Where do you think engineers come from? 😉
I don't think it is a Jewish media conspiracy, nor did I saw it ever was. It is a fact that Jews are more educated and have a higher number of people in executive positions compared to their small size in the US. <--- Coming from a Jew myself
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