Karl Rove Ignores Congressoinal Subpoena

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: Duwelon

Congress is a bloody joke. They need to solve American's problems instead of witch hunts.

The Bushwhackos are not witches, and witchcraft is not a crime. They are traitors, murderers, torturers, war criminals and war profiteers. Those are serious crimes. Allowing them to get away with those crimes would be a further crime.

YOU are the joke.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: Duwelon

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Well, this is the house's chance to grow a backbone, congress can arrest and jail him, and then the courts will be forced to rule rather than kick the can on down the road.

Time will now tell. all in takes is a raw majority in the house, and then its game on.

I'm not sure the current speaker has the balls. I mean that as a convenient jab, not a sexist comment - some other women would have them.

However, I don't like that it's even an issue. I don't want oru government on the cutting edge of battles between the branches where 'the most balls' in the battles win.

I want a government of people who put the public interest first and are not pursuing a radical agenda against it.

Pathetic.

Thanks for the warning about your post.

Why are only Republicans guilty until proven innocent?

The victim card based on a lie that you ARE being treated unfairly as 'guilty until proven innocent' only shows how lacking you are of a legitimate response.

Your party is a joke.

Say what you like about it, whatever it is is far better than your party.

The fact is that Rove was subpoenad and refused to show up. That's hardly unfiar to make statements based on those facts. There's no big mystery about the issue.

The sad thing is how frequently your party is guilty AFTER the facts are in, and how you don't give a *crap* as long as it helps you get what you want politically.

Show me your posts condemning some of the mountains of lawbreaking by Republicans.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Duwelon

Originally posted by: chucky2
If one only has contempt for Congress, do they really need to issue a subpoena for you to confirm that? With an approval rating of 9%, I'd think Congress should know pretty much everyone has contempt for them.

Chuck

Congress is a bloody joke. They need to solve American's main problem instead of witch hunts.

Isn't it a little late in the game to start impeachment hearings?

:laugh:

The White House has cited executive privilege as a reason he and others who serve or served in the administration should not testify, arguing that internal administration communications are confidential and that Congress cannot compel officials to testify. Rove says he is bound to follow the White House's guidance, although he has offered to answer questions specifically on the Siegelman case ? but only with no transcript taken and not under oath.

Absolutely outrageous. Just another example of GWB&Co proving to the world that they answer to no one but themselves. The corruption of this administration is sickening.

 

[chucky2]

Originally posted by: jonks
Congressional Approval Ratings are the joke. Ask anyone their opinion of Congress and you almost always get very low ratings. But ask anyone about their Senator or their Congressman, and the ratings are almost always high. Because they elected that schmuck so they don't want to take responsibility for him being a screw-up. But that guy from one state over, what a loser!

If Bush would give me a Pardon, I'd machine gun the whole F'ing Congress, my state's rep's included.

It's a sad state when not only would I sleep better at night, but I'd basically drink and eat for free wherever I'd go...that's how much contempt the average American have for their own Congress.

Chuck

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: GTKeeper
He's Immune!

Man, sh!t is really going to hit the fan if the whole government becomes Democratic. I would be scared if I were Rove.


There will be lots of investigations, you can be assured of that.

There will be a blanket amnesty from Bush before he leaves, you can be assured of THAT!

I don't believe he can issue a pardon for crimes not yet discovered or charged can he?

Yes, he can. There is precedence:

Ford preemptively pardons Nixon

Pappy Bush pardons Iran-Contra conspirators before their trials begin

Well then I fully expect a laundry list of blanket pardons for everyone in his admin upon Bush leaving office. I've got 193 days, 16 hours, 16 minutes, and 10 seconds to get used to the idea so I won't be shocked when it happens.

 

[jonks]

dp

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: chucky2

Originally posted by: jonks
Congressional Approval Ratings are the joke. Ask anyone their opinion of Congress and you almost always get very low ratings. But ask anyone about their Senator or their Congressman, and the ratings are almost always high. Because they elected that schmuck so they don't want to take responsibility for him being a screw-up. But that guy from one state over, what a loser!

If Bush would give me a Pardon, I'd machine gun the whole F'ing Congress, my state's rep's included.

It's a sad state when not only would I sleep better at night, but I'd basically drink and eat for free wherever I'd go...that's how much contempt the average American have for their own Congress.

Chuck

Well that's pretty creepy.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: chucky2

Originally posted by: jonks
Congressional Approval Ratings are the joke. Ask anyone their opinion of Congress and you almost always get very low ratings. But ask anyone about their Senator or their Congressman, and the ratings are almost always high. Because they elected that schmuck so they don't want to take responsibility for him being a screw-up. But that guy from one state over, what a loser!

If Bush would give me a Pardon, I'd machine gun the whole F'ing Congress, my state's rep's included.

It's a sad state when not only would I sleep better at night, but I'd basically drink and eat for free wherever I'd go...that's how much contempt the average American have for their own Congress.

Chuck

Well that's pretty creepy.

Just another indication of the barbaric lack of morals of our righties.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: GTKeeper
He's Immune!

Man, sh!t is really going to hit the fan if the whole government becomes Democratic. I would be scared if I were Rove.


There will be lots of investigations, you can be assured of that.

There will be a blanket amnesty from Bush before he leaves, you can be assured of THAT!

I don't believe he can issue a pardon for crimes not yet discovered or charged can he?

Yes, he can. There is precedence:

Ford preemptively pardons Nixon

Pappy Bush pardons Iran-Contra conspirators before their trials begin

Well then I fully expect a laundry list of blanket pardons for everyone in his admin upon Bush leaving office. I've got 193 days, 16 hours, 16 minutes, and 10 seconds to get used to the idea so I won't be shocked when it happens.

Do expect a lot of them. Reagan pardoned some of his criminals, Bush 41 his. Clinton didn't have the same kind of criminals, but had some iffy pardons, e.g., Marc Rich.

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: JSt0rm01
I think they should wait to investigate until bush is out of office and can't pardon anybody. That way they can swing from the gallows. I'm not a nice person. I want blood.

Don't hold your breath.

Expect that Obama will push for them to tread lightly when it comes to investigating Bush and Co. Just as Bush did not push for investigations of Clinton.

Obama would not want the focus of HIS term to be Bush's term. You may not remember but a lot of Republicans were saying similar things as Clinton was leaving office. "Can't wait till he is gone so we can investigate..." Washington is sort of a one trick town and is not very good at doing two things at once. So if there were investigations and hearings into Bush admin stuff they would dominate the news coverage and anything on Obama's agenda would be pushed aside.

 

[Sinsear]

Originally posted by: Harvey


Turning to the Bushwhacko administration, they really are guilty. That has been proven over and over.

In which court?

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: JSt0rm01
I think they should wait to investigate until bush is out of office and can't pardon anybody. That way they can swing from the gallows. I'm not a nice person. I want blood.

Don't hold your breath.

Expect that Obama will push for them to tread lightly when it comes to investigating Bush and Co. Just as Bush did not push for investigations of Clinton.

What the hell was there left to investigate Clinton for after they had a $70 million several-year witch hunt led by a far-right partisan - and an impeachment?

There's no comparison between the far less criminal, far more investigated Clinton White House and the far more criminal, ultra-secretive Bush adminitratin ripe to investigate.[/quote]

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: Craig234
Do expect a lot of them. Reagan pardoned some of his criminals, Bush 41 his. Clinton didn't have the same kind of criminals, but had some iffy pardons, e.g., Marc Rich.

Just a few posts ago you go after Duwelon for not condemning law breaking by Republicans then you throw this line out?

Are you that forgetful?

The Whitewater investigations resulted in 14 different people being convicted. Including Clinton's successor in Arkansas, a former aide to Clinton (as governor) and several of his supporters.

Henry Cisneros, Secretary of HUD under Clinton, was indicted on 18 counts of conspiracy and eventually plead guilty to lying to the FBI.

The Clinton-Gore fundraising scandals resulted in 22 convictions by 2001.

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: JSt0rm01
I think they should wait to investigate until bush is out of office and can't pardon anybody. That way they can swing from the gallows. I'm not a nice person. I want blood.

Don't hold your breath.

Expect that Obama will push for them to tread lightly when it comes to investigating Bush and Co. Just as Bush did not push for investigations of Clinton.

What the hell was there left to investigate Clinton for after they had a $70 million several-year witch hunt led by a far-right partisan - and an impeachment?

There's no comparison between the far less criminal, far more investigated Clinton White House and the far more criminal, ultra-secretive Bush adminitratin ripe to investigate.

[/quote]
See my post above...

How many Bush admin people have been convicted or plead guilty so far?
Libby and I think one or two other minor figures.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: GTKeeper
He's Immune!

Man, sh!t is really going to hit the fan if the whole government becomes Democratic. I would be scared if I were Rove.


There will be lots of investigations, you can be assured of that.

There will be a blanket amnesty from Bush before he leaves, you can be assured of THAT!

I don't believe he can issue a pardon for crimes not yet discovered or charged can he?

Yes, he can. There is precedence:

Ford preemptively pardons Nixon

Pappy Bush pardons Iran-Contra conspirators before their trials begin

Well then I fully expect a laundry list of blanket pardons for everyone in his admin upon Bush leaving office. I've got 193 days, 16 hours, 16 minutes, and 10 seconds to get used to the idea so I won't be shocked when it happens.

Do expect a lot of them. Reagan pardoned some of his criminals, Bush 41 his. Clinton didn't have the same kind of criminals, but had some iffy pardons, e.g., Marc Rich.

There is also a difference between pardoning someone for a particular crime, and issuing a blanket pardon for all acts committed between January 2001 and January 2009.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Expect that Obama will push for them to tread lightly when it comes to investigating Bush and Co. Just as Bush did not push for investigations of Clinton.

WTFOMFGBBQWATERMELLON!!!!!!! Good old PJ still can't resist the same tired old but Clinton did it... cliche. What a suprise. :roll:

PJ -- Get a clue. Clinton lied about failing to return his fly to its full upright position before landing. The Bushwhackos committed TREASON by shredding the rights guaranteed to every American citizen under the U.S. Constitution, MURDER for each and every death in their war of lies, TORTURE and other WAR CRIMES, documented at Guantanamo, Abu Ghraib and elsewhere, in pursuit of their illegal war.

If you still want to see Bill, or even Hillary, prosecuted, write your Congressional representatives. If they're guilty, sentence them to whatever punishment is appropriate for whatever crimes are proven.

That's what I've done about the Bushwhacko criminals, and proving their crimes is easy. Undoing the damage they've done our nation may take at least a century, if it's ever even possible. :thumbsdown: :|

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Expect that Obama will push for them to tread lightly when it comes to investigating Bush and Co. Just as Bush did not push for investigations of Clinton.

WTFOMFGBBQWATERMELLON!!!!!!! Good old PJ still can't resist the same tired old but Clinton did it... cliche. What a suprise. :roll:

PJ -- Get a clue. Clinton lied about failing to return his fly to its full upright position before landing. The Bushwhackos committed TREASON by shredding the rights guaranteed to every American citizen under the U.S. Constitution, MURDER for each and every death in their war of lies, TORTURE and other WAR CRIMES, documented at Guantanamo, Abu Ghraib and elsewhere, in pursuit of their illegal war.

If you still want to see Bill, or even Hillary, prosecuted, write your Congressional representatives. If they're guilty, sentence them to whatever punishment is appropriate for whatever crimes are proven.

That's what I've done about the Bushwhacko criminals, and proving their crimes is easy. Undoing the damage they've done our nation may take at least a century, if it's ever even possible. :thumbsdown: :|

Are you saying there is no doubt that Obama will call for hard and thorough investigations of the Bush administration?

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Are you saying there is no doubt that Obama will call for hard and thorough investigations of the Bush administration?

No, but he's said he would. I'm just willing to give him a chance to prove he's really what he says he is and hoping he'll do it. The only thing I know for sure is, no Attorney General from the Bushwhackos will do it.

 

[ProfJohn]

Harvey I think you missed my point.

Obama can make 09 about him and his Presidency or he can make it about Bush and his Presidency. Knowing the way politicians work he will choose to make it about himself rather than having everyone focused on what Bush may or may not have done.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Harvey I think you missed my point.

Obama can make 09 about him and his Presidency or he can make it about Bush and his Presidency. Knowing the way politicians work he will choose to make it about himself rather than having everyone focused on what Bush may or may not have done.

First, I want to see him shove McSame where he belongs, a little known footnote to history. Then, I'm more interested in whether he'll keep his word and pursue the Bushwhacko criminals... PUH-LEEEE-E-E-E-ZE!

 

[ProfJohn]

Well good luck with that...

 

[chucky2]

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: chucky2

Originally posted by: jonks
Congressional Approval Ratings are the joke. Ask anyone their opinion of Congress and you almost always get very low ratings. But ask anyone about their Senator or their Congressman, and the ratings are almost always high. Because they elected that schmuck so they don't want to take responsibility for him being a screw-up. But that guy from one state over, what a loser!

If Bush would give me a Pardon, I'd machine gun the whole F'ing Congress, my state's rep's included.

It's a sad state when not only would I sleep better at night, but I'd basically drink and eat for free wherever I'd go...that's how much contempt the average American have for their own Congress.

Chuck

Well that's pretty creepy.

Just another indication of the barbaric lack of morals of our righties.

To eskimospy: It's not creepy, it's called taking out the trash and sending a message...louder than the ones the Corp.'s and lobbyists send them full time.

To Craig234: It's funny, and extremely disturbing, that you say that. If there is one thing anyone I talk to can agree upon, it's that Congress as a whole just needs a clean start. Since it's impossible to vote them all out at once, my method seems to be the most viable. I guess if you'd like we could gas them, or, throw them over cliffs...or maybe put them in a room with Macro, Moonmoron, and you until they commit suicide. Truly, I don't care either way...it'd just feel that much better to get it over quickly and surely. Plus, bullets are cheap - if we put them in a room with you 3, you'd probably all bond...that wouldn't get the needed job done...

Chuck

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: chucky2

To Craig234: It's funny, and extremely disturbing, that you say that. If there is one thing anyone I talk to can agree upon, it's that Congress as a whole just needs a clean start. Since it's impossible to vote them all out at once, my method seems to be the most viable. I guess if you'd like we could gas them, or, throw them over cliffs...or maybe put them in a room with Macro, Moonmoron, and you until they commit suicide. Truly, I don't care either way...it'd just feel that much better to get it over quickly and surely. Plus, bullets are cheap - if we put them in a room with you 3, you'd probably all bond...that wouldn't get the needed job done...

Chuck

You saying it's extremely disturbing is like Clinton saying it's promiscuous.

But I always find telling sociopaths they're lacking a respect for others a productive activity.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

How many Bush admin people have been convicted or plead guilty so far?
Libby and I think one or two other minor figures.

Why do you think that is? Maybe it's because the DOJ was up to it's dirty ass and it's dirtier Attorney General in committing the crimes? Maybe it's because the corrupt Republican led Congress, with the likes of Tom DeLay and others controlled the agenda and the votes.

Thanks for a perfectly meaningless, stupid argument. :thumbsdown:

As I said, I'm hoping the Obama administration will do a better job of bringing the Bushwhacko turds to justice.

 

[Lemon law]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Harvey I think you missed my point.

Obama can make 09 about him and his Presidency or he can make it about Bush and his Presidency. Knowing the way politicians work he will choose to make it about himself rather than having everyone focused on what Bush may or may not have done.

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Depending on the make up of the post 11/4/2008 congress, Obama can make the 2009 future about him and at the same time expose the corruption of GWB&co. Its not one or the other, its both hands can join each other as the American people win.

And then the only losers will be GWB&co who can, go to jail, straight to jail, do not pass go, and rot in the Hague.

Maybe Harvey is right, they should get their turn at free waterboard rides, but I will settle for the Hague. And when the truth is told, not only does this nation win, win, and win, but so does the rest of the world.