Karl Rove granted a sacred divorce

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What does that have to do with God speaking to you? Answer the question or does only your hairdresser know for sure?

Have you ever heard thunder?

 

[nobodyknows]

Have you ever heard thunder?

Does a bear shit in the woods?

LMAO@U!! Can you answer a simple question?

 

[Red Dawn]

Have you ever heard thunder?

Weeeiiii!!!! :\

 

[Ausm]

^^^ So much for "family values"

That's good ole turdblossom for ya

 

[Avvocato Effetti]

Does a bear shit in the woods?

LMAO@U!! Can you answer a simple question?

I'll ask you a simple question.

Have you ever heard thunder, smart guy?

 

[nobodyknows]

I'll ask you a simple question.

Have you ever heard thunder, smart guy?

I did answer your question.

Now, you answer MY question. After all I did ask first. Does God speak to you? Yes or no will be sufficient, thank you so much.

 

[Avvocato Effetti]

I did answer your question.

Now, you answer MY question. After all I did ask first. Does God speak to you? Yes or no will be sufficient, thank you so much.

Really?

I must have missed your answer.

 

[nobodyknows]

Really?

I must have missed your answer.

Reading comprehension FTL!!

 

[classy]

Didn't God impregnate Mary when she was married to Joseph? And yet the Bible tells us that we shouldn't have sex with someone else's wife. Which is it? Is the Bible wrong? Or is God wrong? Or is God the standard unless he does something which the Bible says is wrong, in which case he can get away with it because he's God, but the rest of us better damn well fall in line?

And none of your responses deal with the fact that the Bible says that divorce is wrong and gay love is wrong and yet Christians only seem to care about one of those things. Can we just pick and choose which parts of the Bible to pay attention to? If so, doesn't it make using that dogma to craft our laws seem... I don't know, maybe a touch selective to you? Wouldn't that offend God?

The marriage had not been consumated. Marriage was completed through legal documents, then completed through sex between the husband and wife. Joseph did not have sex with Mary till after the birth of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. Try reading the Bible next time, it may keep you from looking like a fool. And christians condemn divorce just as much as any other sin. But to the lost like yourself you don't see homosexuality as a sin. So while the condemnation of both sins is clear from christians, you look to find fault because we don't support your homosexual appetite. You are free to do whatever you want with whomever you want. But don't expect everyone to give you a blessing.

 

[Craig234]

The marriage had not been consumated. Marriage was completed through legal documents, then completed through sex between the husband and wife. Joseph did not have sex with Mary till after the birth of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. Try reading the Bible next time, it may keep you from looking like a fool. And christians condemn divorce just as much as any other sin. But to the lost like yourself you don't see homosexuality as a sin. So while the condemnation of both sins is clear from christians, you look to find fault because we don't support your homosexual appetite. You are free to do whatever you want with whomever you want. But don't expect everyone to give you a blessing.

You are sure snippy for someone who appears unfamiliar with the sketchy history of the virgin birth, with early documents not mentioning it, but it being convenient later.

But more relevantly, you say Christians 'condemn divorce just as much as any other sin' - which would imply just as much as they condemn gay marriage.

First, that's not the question, their 'opinion', the question is whether they are hypocritcally selecting in how they treat the two issues.

Second, you are wrong anyway - a majority of Christians *voted against* gay marriage when they get the chance, but our large majority Christian society has APPROVED of divorce laws.

So, for gay marriage, it's "we vote for discrimination under the law not to allow it", but for divorce it's "we will say we don't like it, but we vote for the law to allow it".

The law dicriminating for gays, just a verbal tsk tsk and the law accomodating divorce.

That's an inconsistency.

The question to you is, will you fight just as hard to make divorce illegal as you do gay marriage? Post as often, donate a s much, make as many phone calls, speak to friends on both, vote the same way?

If not, the only clear reason would be anti-gay bigotry. That you are hiding behid religion to discriminate, but only on the issue you really care about gays, not divorce.

Regardless of your personal position, that's how most Christians have behaved, despite your statement to the contrary.

Having said all that, it's too bad you sound so misguided on the issue of homosexuality, not understanding it and happy to act based on ignorance to hurt others.

 

[Craig234]

President Bush is a brave and courageous man that kept America safe since 911.

Too bad he blew off the Clinton administration warnings on Al Queda before 9/11 and didn't protect the nation from it.

But brave and courageous? Would that be the same brave as when he supported the vietnam war for others to fight, but not himself? When confronted he'd cackle and walk away? When he said:

"I was not prepared to shoot my eardrum out with a shotgun in order to get a deferment. Nor was I willing to go to Canada. So I chose to better myself by learning how to fly airplanes."

That's his being brave on how he chose which option to not go to the war he wanted others to go to.

Would it be when he bravely took responsibility for his drunk driving arrest by having his lawyer, Alberto Gonzales, get it sealed in the campaign (later appointing the same guy as Attorney General to make sure there would not be any interference with approving the torture measures he wanted, after Ashcroft did not approve all of them)?

You're nuts.

 

[Craig234]

Gay marriage and divorce are two related but still separate issues. Insisting that marriage only occur between opposite sexes, but personally getting a divorce (or two), does not make someone a hypocrite.

In order for Rove to be a true "hypocrite" on this issue, he would have to marry a man. Otherwise, there is no real "hypocrisy" here... just frothing partisan nonsense.

That said, I personally support both marriage and divorce for any gender combination -- gays should have every right to suffer through both if they so choose.

If they simply opposed gay marriage itself - say, they admitted the reason was bigotry - you would be right.

But when say it's because the bible says so, and the bible also saqys 'no divorce', that's hypocritical.

 

[classy]

You are sure snippy for someone who appears unfamiliar with the sketchy history of the virgin birth, with early documents not mentioning it, but it being convenient later.

But more relevantly, you say Christians 'condemn divorce just as much as any other sin' - which would imply just as much as they condemn gay marriage.

First, that's not the question, their 'opinion', the question is whether they are hypocritcally selecting in how they treat the two issues.

Second, you are wrong anyway - a majority of Christians *voted against* gay marriage when they get the chance, but our large majority Christian society has APPROVED of divorce laws.

So, for gay marriage, it's "we vote for discrimination under the law not to allow it", but for divorce it's "we will say we don't like it, but we vote for the law to allow it".

The law dicriminating for gays, just a verbal tsk tsk and the law accomodating divorce.

That's an inconsistency.

The question to you is, will you fight just as hard to make divorce illegal as you do gay marriage? Post as often, donate a s much, make as many phone calls, speak to friends on both, vote the same way?

If not, the only clear reason would be anti-gay bigotry. That you are hiding behid religion to discriminate, but only on the issue you really care about gays, not divorce.

Regardless of your personal position, that's how most Christians have behaved, despite your statement to the contrary.

Having said all that, it's too bad you sound so misguided on the issue of homosexuality, not understanding it and happy to act based on ignorance to hurt others.

I am not snippy or sketchy. You want to tear down the bible as not being correct then be my guest. I don't remember any vote to ban divorce? Rather than engage with the nonsense, let me say it clear. The Bible condemns a lot sins and homosexuality is one of them. Regardless of what another christian does or does not support still doesn't change the fact homosexuality is a sin. Period, there is nothing else to discuss. Nothing you say or debate with is going to change that fact. God never said I would answer for what someone else does or does not do. I will judged only by what I do. So you can bring up everything from bigotry to hypocrisy of what some MAN does, but the judgement is not from a man, but God. I and every other person on this planet is going to be judged by what is written in the Bible. Not by the act of another human being.

 

[CitizenKain]

I and every other person on this planet is going to be judged by what is written in the Bible. Not by the act of another human being.

You might be, but I'm being judged on the D&D 3.5 Rulebook, and I roll 20's.

Are you a member of God’s family?

President Bush is a brave and courageous man that kept America safe since 911.

Why didn't he keep America safe before 911? Does he take Tuesdays off?

 

[Avvocato Effetti]

You're nuts.

One of my favorite George W. Bush moments, the capture of Saddam Hussein.

His decision to keep Saddam’s service revolver is another sweet victory.

I’m sure he and Rove got a kick out of rubbing that in the nose of the anti war liberals.

 

[Craig234]

Classy you did not answer the question. I'll repeat it.

The question to you is, will you fight just as hard to make divorce illegal as you do gay marriage? Post as often, donate as much, make as many phone calls, speak to friends on both, vote the same way?

You say you don't remember votes on divorce - they happened. The Christians you say oppose divorce as much as any other biblical 'sin' passed it, but not gay marriage equality.

 

[Avvocato Effetti]

Craig234,

Give it up bro, God is not going to tell you that gay sex is ok.

How did this thread get to this point?

 

[JulesMaximus]

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1209/31036.html

The 2004 GOP electoral strategy relied in large part on energizing evangelicals through fearmongering based on the possibility of gay marriage becoming legal, but the cause was a just one, right? Protecting and defending that most sacred of institutions, the foundation and bedrock of all society, the prize and goal of many a reality tv show, marriage.

Glenn Greenwald lets it fly:
http://www.salon.com/news/gay_marriage/index.html?story=/opinion/greenwald/2009/12/29/rove


I can only assume Rove's wife just had occular surgery and now for the first time has vision.

Yeah yeah yeah, "another liberal taking joy in misfortune blah blah blah". I have no sympathy for hypocrites and political opportunists.

Till death do us part, sworn before god.

You're wrong because you disagree with us.

 

[fskimospy]

One of my favorite George W. Bush moments, the capture of Saddam Hussein.

His decision to keep Saddam’s service revolver is another sweet victory.

I’m sure he and Rove got a kick out of rubbing that in the nose of the anti war liberals.

Why would they care?

 

[nobodyknows]

Craig234,

Give it up bro, God is not going to tell you that gay sex is ok.

How did this thread get to this point?

But he heard it in a thunder clap?!??

 

[classy]

Classy you did not answer the question. I'll repeat it.

The question to you is, will you fight just as hard to make divorce illegal as you do gay marriage? Post as often, donate as much, make as many phone calls, speak to friends on both, vote the same way?

You say you don't remember votes on divorce - they happened. The Christians you say oppose divorce as much as any other biblical 'sin' passed it, but not gay marriage equality.

I will answer the question. I speak for me and not anyone else. I would not vote to ban divorce or make it illegal. It may or may not be sin. Even Jesus said divorce is legal when fornication occurs. And I am sure where any type of abuse is occuring in a marriage it is not sin before God to divorce. But there is NO gray area with homosexuality. There is no circumstance when it is "ok". Thats the difference.

The forgiveness of any and all sin is through Jesus. But each sin does come with its own set of penalties. Not all sin is the same, some are worse than others. Homosexuality is the one sin in all of scripture where the Bible says "God gave them up" because of it. Hey rather than blasting everyone take some time and read the bible for yourself. Now if you think the bible is flawed then thats on you. But thats my story and I am sticking to it. Now thats the bad news. The good news is they can be forgiven like any other sinner. But then you have to work with God not to engage in that sin again.

 

[Avvocato Effetti]

But he heard it in a thunder clap?!??

I don't trust anyone who is not in communication with God. Do you?

 

[shadow9d9]

I am in continuous never ending contact with God. Are you?

How can you be in contact with something that doesn't exist?

Imaginary friend?

 

[Avvocato Effetti]

How can you be in contact with something that doesn't exist?

Imaginary friend?

I'll put you in the "don't trust" category.

 

[nobodyknows]

I don't trust anyone who is not in communication with God. Do you?

Any fool can claim he is in communication with God. Does that make him trustworthy? Not in my book.