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Kansas National Guard Hampered Coping With Tornado Aftermath

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Harvey

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The Bushwhackos' chickens are coming home to roost in Greensburg, Kansas.
Iraq War Hampers Kansas Cleanup

GREENSBURG, Kan. (AP)

The rebuilding effort in tornado-ravaged Greensburg, Kansas, likely will be hampered because some much-needed equipment is in Iraq, said that state?s governor.

Governor Kathleen Sebelius said much of the National Guard equipment usually positioned around the state to respond to emergencies is gone. She said not having immediate access to things like tents, trucks and semitrailers will really handicap the rebuilding effort.

The Greensburg administrator estimated that 95 percent of the town of 1500 was destroyed by Friday's tornado.

The Kansas National Guard has about 40 percent of the equipment it is allotted because much of it has been sent to Iraq.

Greensburg residents will be allowed to return Monday morning to recover what they can. They will be bused in and must leave by 6 p-m.
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A report from thee General Accounting Office (GAO) warned about this problem over a year ago.
The high use of the National Guard for federal overseas missions has reduced equipment available for its state-led domestic missions, at the same time it faces an expanded array of threats at home. The massive state-led, federally funded response to Hurricane Katrina illustrates the Guard?s important role in responding to the effects of large-scale, multistate events as well as the difficulty of working with multiple state and federal agencies. To address congressional interest in the Guard?s domestic preparedness, GAO assessed the extent to which (1) the Guard?s domestic equipment requirements have been identified, (2) the Department of Defense (DOD) measures and reports to Congress the equipment readiness of non-deployed Guard forces for domestic missions, and (3) DOD actions address the Guard?s domestic equipping challenges. GAO examined the National Guard?s plans and equipment status and included case studies in California, Florida, New Jersey, and West Virginia.
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Yer doin' a heck of a job, Bushie! :thumbsdown: :frown: :thumbsdown:
 
You may want to modify your Topic Summary a touch.

I believe the governor stated explicitly that lack of National Guards(people) wasn't much of an issue b/c only 10% of KS Guard is currently deployed. Now she said the equipment issue was huge. Not only due to the lack of gear in KS but also the neighboring states.

Granted, we are long past the point where Bush Junta BS 'protecting the homeland' carried water. Anybody with basic common sense knows the war in Iraq has taken a heavy toll on 'regular' Americans . . . not to mention the cost in lives and physical resources.

Unfortunately, Congress made it worse when they authorized Bush to basically federalize at his leisure AND deploy Guard for much longer and frequent tours. This government really is broken. And anybody currently in Congress that voted for this garbage shouldn't be considered qualified for the Presidency.
 
Originally posted by: Harvey
Originally posted by: jrenz
Why don't you write a crappy song about it?
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Aw... Is the little boy jealous because he can't? :music: :laugh: :music:
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I can't write a crappy song?

At least I can come up with a good retort...
 
Pathetic. We have stripped our country of money, troops, and equipment, all for what? Some pathetic sand dune? I agree with above. Whoever voted for this waste of resources shouldn't even be considered.

Great job at screwing the rest of the country, I am sure the people of Greensburg really feel safe from those terrorists now.
 
Why are libs so eager to blame Bush for everything?

Hey Harvey, how about the fact that Sam Brownback said today that only 15% of Kansas' National Guard and equipment is in Iraq?
 
Originally posted by: Corbett
Why are libs so eager to blame Bush for everything?

Hey Harvey, how about the fact that Sam Brownback said today that only 15% of Kansas' National Guard and equipment is in Iraq?
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Why are fundies so quick to defend anything he does, regardless of how horribly he f'd up? When will your rubber stamp run out of ink? When he has finally trashed the country so badly that we are in a depression?

Even then the faithful zombie horde will love him. WHy? Because they can't figure anything out on their own.

15% of what equipment? If you do it by count you could have deployed 15 backhoes and left 85 shovels. Wow, so you deploy what's very useful and keep what's not. I guess that makes all of your statistics valid, right?
 
Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Originally posted by: Corbett
Why are libs so eager to blame Bush for everything?

Hey Harvey, how about the fact that Sam Brownback said today that only 15% of Kansas' National Guard and equipment is in Iraq?
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Why are fundies so quick to defend anything he does, regardless of how horribly he f'd up? When will your rubber stamp run out of ink? When he has finally trashed the country so badly that we are in a depression?

Even then the faithful zombie horde will love him. WHy? Because they can't figure anything out on their own.

15% of what equipment? If you do it by count you could have deployed 15 backhoes and left 85 shovels. Wow, so you deploy what's very useful and keep what's not. I guess that makes all of your statistics valid, right?
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Wow you guys are absolutely ridiculous. Do you need the whole damn national guard, army, air force, navy, and marines to clean up after a tornado? Is the problem that there is not enough equipment to clean up the tornado? Well gee, you're in the middle of a gazillion miles of farm land it shouldn't be too hard to find some heavy machinery to clear away some rubble. You people are nuts trying to put any of this on Bush, you're worse than the people that defend every single thing that Bush does.

Damn, its a town of 1500, how many buildings can there be that you need the whole states national guard to clean it up? Your obsession with Bush has gotten out of control. This is pure BS politics by you guys and the Gov.
 
Originally posted by: Corbett
Why are libs so eager to blame Bush for everything?

Hey Harvey, how about the fact that Sam Brownback said today that only 15% of Kansas' National Guard and equipment is in Iraq?
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Yea, it doesn't make much sense does it? Apparently the libs are having a hard time finding some heavy machinery in the middle of vast amounts of farmland, that oddly enough are full of heavy machinery.
 
Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Originally posted by: Corbett
Why are libs so eager to blame Bush for everything?

Hey Harvey, how about the fact that Sam Brownback said today that only 15% of Kansas' National Guard and equipment is in Iraq?
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Why are fundies so quick to defend anything he does, regardless of how horribly he f'd up? When will your rubber stamp run out of ink? When he has finally trashed the country so badly that we are in a depression?

Even then the faithful zombie horde will love him. WHy? Because they can't figure anything out on their own.

15% of what equipment? If you do it by count you could have deployed 15 backhoes and left 85 shovels. Wow, so you deploy what's very useful and keep what's not. I guess that makes all of your statistics valid, right?
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Wow you guys are absolutely ridiculous. Do you need the whole damn national guard, army, air force, navy, and marines to clean up after a tornado? Is the problem that there is not enough equipment to clean up the tornado? Well gee, you're in the middle of a gazillion miles of farm land it shouldn't be too hard to find some heavy machinery to clear away some rubble. You people are nuts trying to put any of this on Bush, you're worse than the people that defend every single thing that Bush does.

Damn, its a town of 1500, how many buildings can there be that you need the whole states national guard to clean it up? Your obsession with Bush has gotten out of control. This is pure BS politics by you guys and the Gov.
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The point is, Mr. Craftsman, is that the National Guard is OUR MILITIA. They aren't supposed to be deployed overseas. Nor are they supposed to be acting like regular army on the Dipsh!t in Chief's boondoggles. They are paid for and deployed for a reason, to police the citizens, help in natural disasters, and keep our domestic land safe.

I guess blind partisan hackery can't get past the idea that we have a militia for one reason and it's not to be deployed in imperialistic idiocies around the world. It's too bad many won't figure that out until we have reached 10Tr in national debt, we have killed 10,000 soldiers, and half million Iraqis. All so pussies in this country can sleep at night.

I work in NYC, I walk by the WTC site every day. I am ashamed that we are so afraid of terrorists in this country, which are statistically less dangerous than lightening storms (there's an idea, Global War on Lightening!!!!!!), that we have to utilize another country as a proxy war.

Meanwhile, our countrymen have to suffer, yet again, from the incompetence of this administration. I am sure they feel better that Saddam, the ever threatening "Axis of Evil" guy, is now dead and his WMDs were found and destroyed, that OBL is dead, AQ is dismantled, and Afghanistan and Iraq are now model democratic states. Ohh wait, that'd mean that their suffering was worth something, the 500 billion we spent so far has actually accomplished something, and that our government isn't completely incompetent and people STILL approve of them.

I guess the world can't be perfect.

 
Maybe we can take all those empty Katrina trailers to Kansas and put them to use.

You know what I am talking about, remember the photos of hundreds of FEMA trailers sitting empty cause no one wanted them etc etc
 
Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Originally posted by: Corbett
Why are libs so eager to blame Bush for everything?

Hey Harvey, how about the fact that Sam Brownback said today that only 15% of Kansas' National Guard and equipment is in Iraq?
Click to expand...

Why are fundies so quick to defend anything he does, regardless of how horribly he f'd up? When will your rubber stamp run out of ink? When he has finally trashed the country so badly that we are in a depression?

Even then the faithful zombie horde will love him. WHy? Because they can't figure anything out on their own.

15% of what equipment? If you do it by count you could have deployed 15 backhoes and left 85 shovels. Wow, so you deploy what's very useful and keep what's not. I guess that makes all of your statistics valid, right?
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Wow you guys are absolutely ridiculous. Do you need the whole damn national guard, army, air force, navy, and marines to clean up after a tornado? Is the problem that there is not enough equipment to clean up the tornado? Well gee, you're in the middle of a gazillion miles of farm land it shouldn't be too hard to find some heavy machinery to clear away some rubble. You people are nuts trying to put any of this on Bush, you're worse than the people that defend every single thing that Bush does.

Damn, its a town of 1500, how many buildings can there be that you need the whole states national guard to clean it up? Your obsession with Bush has gotten out of control. This is pure BS politics by you guys and the Gov.
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The point is, Mr. Craftsman, is that the National Guard is OUR MILITIA. They aren't supposed to be deployed overseas. Nor are they supposed to be acting like regular army on the Dipsh!t in Chief's boondoggles. They are paid for and deployed for a reason, to police the citizens, help in natural disasters, and keep our domestic land safe.

I guess blind partisan hackery can't get past the idea that we have a militia for one reason and it's not to be deployed in imperialistic idiocies around the world. It's too bad many won't figure that out until we have reached 10Tr in national debt, we have killed 10,000 soldiers, and half million Iraqis. All so pussies in this country can sleep at night.

I work in NYC, I walk by the WTC site every day. I am ashamed that we are so afraid of terrorists in this country, which are statistically less dangerous than lightening storms (there's an idea, Global War on Lightening!!!!!!), that we have to utilize another country as a proxy war.

Meanwhile, our countrymen have to suffer, yet again, from the incompetence of this administration. I am sure they feel better that Saddam, the ever threatening "Axis of Evil" guy, is now dead and his WMDs were found and destroyed, that OBL is dead, AQ is dismantled, and Afghanistan and Iraq are now model democratic states. Ohh wait, that'd mean that their suffering was worth something, the 500 billion we spent so far has actually accomplished something, and that our government isn't completely incompetent and people STILL approve of them.

I guess the world can't be perfect.
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Nice rant, but what does this have to do with the OP? Were you also ranting about the National Guard being deployed during the first Gulf War? This is not something that Bush came up with.......

BTW, I don't think that the NG should be deployed either, but using this tragedy to score political points by bashing Bush is lame.
 
Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Originally posted by: Corbett
Why are libs so eager to blame Bush for everything?

Hey Harvey, how about the fact that Sam Brownback said today that only 15% of Kansas' National Guard and equipment is in Iraq?
Click to expand...

Why are fundies so quick to defend anything he does, regardless of how horribly he f'd up? When will your rubber stamp run out of ink? When he has finally trashed the country so badly that we are in a depression?

Even then the faithful zombie horde will love him. WHy? Because they can't figure anything out on their own.

15% of what equipment? If you do it by count you could have deployed 15 backhoes and left 85 shovels. Wow, so you deploy what's very useful and keep what's not. I guess that makes all of your statistics valid, right?
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Wow you guys are absolutely ridiculous. Do you need the whole damn national guard, army, air force, navy, and marines to clean up after a tornado? Is the problem that there is not enough equipment to clean up the tornado? Well gee, you're in the middle of a gazillion miles of farm land it shouldn't be too hard to find some heavy machinery to clear away some rubble. You people are nuts trying to put any of this on Bush, you're worse than the people that defend every single thing that Bush does.

Damn, its a town of 1500, how many buildings can there be that you need the whole states national guard to clean it up? Your obsession with Bush has gotten out of control. This is pure BS politics by you guys and the Gov.
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The point is, Mr. Craftsman, is that the National Guard is OUR MILITIA. They aren't supposed to be deployed overseas. Nor are they supposed to be acting like regular army on the Dipsh!t in Chief's boondoggles. They are paid for and deployed for a reason, to police the citizens, help in natural disasters, and keep our domestic land safe.

I guess blind partisan hackery can't get past the idea that we have a militia for one reason and it's not to be deployed in imperialistic idiocies around the world. It's too bad many won't figure that out until we have reached 10Tr in national debt, we have killed 10,000 soldiers, and half million Iraqis. All so pussies in this country can sleep at night.

I work in NYC, I walk by the WTC site every day. I am ashamed that we are so afraid of terrorists in this country, which are statistically less dangerous than lightening storms (there's an idea, Global War on Lightening!!!!!!), that we have to utilize another country as a proxy war.

Meanwhile, our countrymen have to suffer, yet again, from the incompetence of this administration. I am sure they feel better that Saddam, the ever threatening "Axis of Evil" guy, is now dead and his WMDs were found and destroyed, that OBL is dead, AQ is dismantled, and Afghanistan and Iraq are now model democratic states. Ohh wait, that'd mean that their suffering was worth something, the 500 billion we spent so far has actually accomplished something, and that our government isn't completely incompetent and people STILL approve of them.

I guess the world can't be perfect.
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Nice rant, but what does this have to do with the OP? Were you also ranting about the National Guard being deployed during the first Gulf War? This is not something that Bush came up with.......

BTW, I don't think that the NG should be deployed either, but using this tragedy to score political points by bashing Bush is lame.
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They are rarely deployed this much and for this long of time period. We are also sucking their equipment away without deploying the troops in some cases, because our production and revenues can't keep up with the costs. We are essentially burning our armed forces at a faster rate than we can replenish them. All so a few whimps can sleep at night.

The OP states we are starting to feel the effects of above. It's a matter of fact that

A. We are in a stupid, useless, and wasteful war.

B. That war has been mishandled from the beginning.

C. People can't recognize A or B + us losing.

D. Actual people feel the effects of A, B, and C, because we can't admit we have f'd up and need to stop.

This war causes these problems. These problems are felt by real people, hence the OP. If you can't see the connection I guess that's not my fault. Perhaps DNA has something to do with it.
 
I'm a little curious, did this Governor not realize that the NG did not have all of their equipment and that that area is prone to tornadoes?
 
Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Originally posted by: Corbett
Why are libs so eager to blame Bush for everything?

Hey Harvey, how about the fact that Sam Brownback said today that only 15% of Kansas' National Guard and equipment is in Iraq?
Click to expand...

Why are fundies so quick to defend anything he does, regardless of how horribly he f'd up? When will your rubber stamp run out of ink? When he has finally trashed the country so badly that we are in a depression?

Even then the faithful zombie horde will love him. WHy? Because they can't figure anything out on their own.

15% of what equipment? If you do it by count you could have deployed 15 backhoes and left 85 shovels. Wow, so you deploy what's very useful and keep what's not. I guess that makes all of your statistics valid, right?
Click to expand...


Wow you guys are absolutely ridiculous. Do you need the whole damn national guard, army, air force, navy, and marines to clean up after a tornado? Is the problem that there is not enough equipment to clean up the tornado? Well gee, you're in the middle of a gazillion miles of farm land it shouldn't be too hard to find some heavy machinery to clear away some rubble. You people are nuts trying to put any of this on Bush, you're worse than the people that defend every single thing that Bush does.

Damn, its a town of 1500, how many buildings can there be that you need the whole states national guard to clean it up? Your obsession with Bush has gotten out of control. This is pure BS politics by you guys and the Gov.
Click to expand...

The point is, Mr. Craftsman, is that the National Guard is OUR MILITIA. They aren't supposed to be deployed overseas. Nor are they supposed to be acting like regular army on the Dipsh!t in Chief's boondoggles. They are paid for and deployed for a reason, to police the citizens, help in natural disasters, and keep our domestic land safe.

I guess blind partisan hackery can't get past the idea that we have a militia for one reason and it's not to be deployed in imperialistic idiocies around the world. It's too bad many won't figure that out until we have reached 10Tr in national debt, we have killed 10,000 soldiers, and half million Iraqis. All so pussies in this country can sleep at night.

I work in NYC, I walk by the WTC site every day. I am ashamed that we are so afraid of terrorists in this country, which are statistically less dangerous than lightening storms (there's an idea, Global War on Lightening!!!!!!), that we have to utilize another country as a proxy war.

Meanwhile, our countrymen have to suffer, yet again, from the incompetence of this administration. I am sure they feel better that Saddam, the ever threatening "Axis of Evil" guy, is now dead and his WMDs were found and destroyed, that OBL is dead, AQ is dismantled, and Afghanistan and Iraq are now model democratic states. Ohh wait, that'd mean that their suffering was worth something, the 500 billion we spent so far has actually accomplished something, and that our government isn't completely incompetent and people STILL approve of them.

I guess the world can't be perfect.
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Nice rant, but what does this have to do with the OP? Were you also ranting about the National Guard being deployed during the first Gulf War? This is not something that Bush came up with.......

BTW, I don't think that the NG should be deployed either, but using this tragedy to score political points by bashing Bush is lame.
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They are rarely deployed this much and for this long of time period. We are also sucking their equipment away without deploying the troops in some cases, because our production and revenues can't keep up with the costs. We are essentially burning our armed forces at a faster rate than we can replenish them. All so a few whimps can sleep at night.

The OP states we are starting to feel the effects of above. It's a matter of fact that

A. We are in a stupid, useless, and wasteful war.

B. That war has been mishandled from the beginning.

C. People can't recognize A or B + us losing.

D. Actual people feel the effects of A, B, and C, because we can't admit we have f'd up and need to stop.

This war causes these problems. These problems are felt by real people, hence the OP. If you can't see the connection I guess that's not my fault. Perhaps DNA has something to do with it.
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1. How much equipment do you need to clean up a town of 1500 people?

2. How much equipment does the NG have available at the moment?

3. How hard is it to find this equipment in the middle of thousands of farms full of this kind of equipment?

If you can answer these questions I'll be impressed, otherwise its just another attempt to blame everything under the sun on GWB. Did you look into this issue at all or is this just another knee jerk liberal knock on GWB?

GWB has really fvked up a lot of stuff, but this is not one of those things.
 
I love tractors, don't get me wrong, but expecting a tractor to do the job of a bulldozer is asking a bit much, if only because of how easy some tractors are to tip. Dragging on the other hand... ;-)

<--- From KS, btw.
 
Originally posted by: Fineghal
I love tractors, don't get me wrong, but expecting a tractor to do the job of a bulldozer is asking a bit much, if only because of how easy some tractors are to tip. Dragging on the other hand... ;-)

<--- From KS, btw.
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Does anyone other than the NG have tractors in KS?

Listen, you guys might have a point if you weren't talking about such a small town. If your NG is so small and ill equiped that it would take the entire State National Guard with 100 percent of their equipment to clean up a town of 1500, in an area that is prone to tornadoes, then you have some big problems.
 
Originally posted by: JD50
I'm a little curious, did this Governor not realize that the NG did not have all of their equipment and that that area is prone to tornadoes?
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I think you're missing the point entirely. Yeah, it may be a "little" town but it's people's lives we're talking about. Ordinary, plain Americans, who were victims to a natural disaster. Having the NG and it's equipment there would've made things quite easier.

The fact that this war was pointless and fabricated is beyond discussion in this thread. What's really worrisome for all those Middle Americans in tornado ally and other areas that are prone to natural disasters, this war has sapped resources that will be sorely missed when the sh!t hits the fan. The next tragedy may affect an entire region, not just a "little" town and people will start to feel the gravity of such fundamental losses.

BTW, no need to defend the President war at every corner unless you either believe in it wholeheartedly or you're profitting from it. If it's because you think others have been overtly critical over something minor, then I must remind you that entire towns being wiped off the map is not a minor incident.
 
1) Conflicting numbers are being tossed around in terms of what equipmetn is needed and is also currently deployed in Iraq.

2) The location is such that OK could easily assist (and I would expect will) if asked for equipment.

3) Even if all of Kansas's equipment were available, it would be impractical to target it all at the one town.
 
Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
1) Conflicting numbers are being tossed around in terms of what equipmetn is needed and is also currently deployed in Iraq.

2) The location is such that OK could easily assist (and I would expect will) if asked for equipment.

3) Even if all of Kansas's equipment were available, it would be impractical to target it all at the one town.
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Why always so apologetic for the Bush Administration?
 
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Maybe we can take all those empty Katrina trailers to Kansas and put them to use.

You know what I am talking about, remember the photos of hundreds of FEMA trailers sitting empty cause no one wanted them etc etc
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There are tens of thousands of them sitting empty along the exits of the Interstate in Mississsippi.

They have been auctioning them off for profit.
 
Originally posted by: JD50
Your obsession with Bush has gotten out of control.
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Exactly, and such hatred will not be forgotten so easily.

I do not like Bush, but when such hatred drives a wedge I have no choice but to stand in opposition of the bomb throwers. Even when it comes time that bombs are thrown back at them.
 
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
1) Conflicting numbers are being tossed around in terms of what equipmetn is needed and is also currently deployed in Iraq.

2) The location is such that OK could easily assist (and I would expect will) if asked for equipment.

3) Even if all of Kansas's equipment were available, it would be impractical to target it all at the one town.
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Why always so apologetic for the Bush Administration?
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Difference between being apologetic and practical.

Dwelling on the past prevents one from building the future.
Kansas could sit there wringing their hands moaning about what they do not have (ie. New Orleans and ask for handouts)
Or they can get on with the can do spirit and use what they have available (which should be more than enough) and if not, see if their neighbors will pitch in (which will happen).

Everyday day that one chooses to complain abouit their lot in life and point fingers is one day less that they can make something better.

 
Originally posted by: LegendKiller

The point is, Mr. Craftsman, is that the National Guard is OUR MILITIA. They aren't supposed to be deployed overseas. Nor are they supposed to be acting like regular army on the Dipsh!t in Chief's boondoggles. They are paid for and deployed for a reason, to police the citizens, help in natural disasters, and keep our domestic land safe.
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While I have no particular love for GWB, the military he is using was left to him by his father and Clinton. A conscious choice was made at the end of the Cold War to reduce active federal units substantially and rely much more heavily on the NG's should combat arise.

 
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