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[SteveGrabowski]

While I expected nothing less, most of the MAGA comment I see on YT or any article where you can leave a reply. They're being beyond douchy towards anyone still speaking highly of Kamala. These people clearly don't want unity amongst us all. I am a bit surprised at the level of rubbing it in the losers face they're taking it to, even for them it seems excessive and unnecessary. They definitely don't care about having class that's for sure. It seems even with their lord winning they're still upset about shit.

Not sure why you'd be surprised. They just won their Christofascist dictatorship the right wing mass media has been brainwashing them to want for decades.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

If you're telling us that this election was unwinnable for anyone not named Barack Obama, then fine. But @SteveGrabowski and I object to this notion that Kamala Harris was our best shot at this (again, I concede that in mid July, she was the logical choice* given the time constraints).

The Democrats will learn nothing from this election; they never do. Not that it matters since the era of free and fair elections is over.

 

[Brovane]

The Democrats will learn nothing from this election; they never do. Not that it matters since the era of free and fair elections is over.

Let's focus on the next election instead of helping the Republicans.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

Let's focus on the next election instead of helping the Republicans.

Trump will steal the election in 2028 if he loses the vote. Vance already said he wouldn't have certified the 2020 election if he was VP so you can bet he won't if Trump loses in 2028 or he himself loses in 2028 or Trump's son Uday loses in 2028 or his other son Qusay loses in 2028. There is no next election. Trump is a fascist. If you think there will be a fair 2028 election then you have to say Trump really isn't a fascist and all the talk about how critical the 2024 election was to save democracy was a bunch of over the top BS. So which is it?

 

[QueBert]

Not sure why you'd be surprised. They just won their Christofascist dictatorship the right wing mass media has been brainwashing them to want for decades.

I knew they'd gloat, but I thought it would be happy gloating, a lot of them still sound extremely angry, almost as if they didn't get what they wanted. And a lot are still bitching about 2020. If Kamala had won I'm sure a lot of us would be rubbing their faces in it too, but not with that type of vitirol.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

I knew they'd gloat, but I thought it would be happy gloating, a lot of them still sound extremely angry, almost as if they didn't get what they wanted. And a lot are still bitching about 2020. If Kamala had won I'm sure a lot of us would be rubbing their faces in it too, but not with that type of vitirol.

If Bernie won I'd be rubbing it in MAGAs faces. If Kamala won all I'd be thinking is well at least this outcome is much less shitty than the alternative.

 

[pmv]

I knew they'd gloat, but I thought it would be happy gloating, a lot of them still sound extremely angry, almost as if they didn't get what they wanted. And a lot are still bitching about 2020. If Kamala had won I'm sure a lot of us would be rubbing their faces in it too, but not with that type of vitirol.

Much like Brexiters. Never known people to be so angry and disgruntled after winning.

 

[Muse]

Trump will steal the election in 2028 if he loses the vote. Vance already said he wouldn't have certified the 2020 election if he was VP so you can bet he won't if Trump loses in 2028 or he himself loses in 2028 or Trump's son Uday loses in 2028 or his other son Qusay loses in 2028. There is no next election. Trump is a fascist. If you think there will be a fair 2028 election then you have to say Trump really isn't a fascist and all the talk about how critical the 2024 election was to save democracy was a bunch of over the top BS. So which is it?

So, if the R candidate loses in 2028 and Vance refuses to certify, what happens? Who wins can't simply depend on his say so.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

So, if the R candidate loses in 2028 and Vance refuses to certify, what happens? Who wins can't simply depend on his say so.

Explain to me what laws held Hitler back.

 

[Muse]

Just had another one drop - kamalaharris dot com. Other links I've seen in the past were myngp, actionnetwork, actionkit, and act blue.

As I said above, I set up email filtering after a while to divert pleas for funding for Kamala etc. I set up a campaign funding plea folder and forgot all about it. I just looked and the last one I got was yesterday:

Subject: Donate $25 to the Harris Fight Fund program to help Democratic
candidates who need to protect their victories and make sure every vote is
counted ?
From: Kamala HQ <info@contact.kamalaharris.com>

OMG, there are 752 messages in that folder (received between 8/20 and 11/9)! That averages to 9.28/day

 

[Muse]

Explain to me what laws held Hitler back.

The USA is not Hitler Germany. You're saying any one man can take over a country. It doesn't happen often.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

The USA is not Hitler Germany. You're saying any one man can take over a country. It doesn't happen often.

He can literally send Seal Team Six to murder his enemies per Sotomayor's legal opinion. I find it impossible to fathom that he won't use his newfound powers to commit more and worse crimes than he already has before he was 100% above the law. It sounds so naive to act like this is just losing another election. We weren't lying nor exaggerating when we called him a threat to democracy. I'm saying this man will take over the nation because the final check and balance against him gave him free reign to commit any crime he wishes.

 

[IronWing]

Much like Brexiters. Never known people to be so angry and disgruntled after winning.

The same thing happened when Trump won in 2016, the angry fascists were still very, very angry. Sore winners are weird.

 

[ivwshane]

Effectively countering the Rep lies is part of it. Equally important IMO is projecting effectively the policies of the Dems that will help the middle class and working class. Quit emphasizing identity politics, obviously it didnt work in this election because Kamala lost ground in every group except African Americans. Kamala had proposals in her platform to help the middle class, but it was directed to certain groups like families with children and first time homeowners. Hey, dems, did you know that nearly 50% of the families (edit, should have said "households", i.e. single people and families without children in the household) have no children living with them? How about doing something for them too? Inflation is hurting everyone. And ultimately, Kamala didnt really emphasize how she would help the middle class. Her rhetoric toward the end reverted to the talking points of reproductive rights and how awful Trump is. We already know the Dems are for this, and that Trump is a horrible human being.

This myth that democrats play identity politics or push woke agendas is f-ing annoying. It’s straight Republican propaganda.

 

[IronWing]

This myth that democrats play identity politics or push woke agendas is f-ing annoying. It’s straight Republican propaganda.

The Democrats do need to find simple ways to explain complex policies though. Trump signs, as stupid as they are, apparently work. "Trump = Safety / Harris = Crime" was an actual sign. The Dems need to articulate their policies at that level. "Dems = healthcare / Reps = Die in a gutter" is the level needed to reach people.

 

[ivwshane]

The USA is not Hitler Germany. You're saying any one man can take over a country. It doesn't happen often.

It’s not just one man though, it’s thousands of people who are willing to protect Trump who are in various positions in politics and institutions. Hell, do you not remember that a Trump appointed judge basically threw a case for Trump? Hitler gained power because those in power didn’t think he would be as bad as he was if they placated him. We are in an almost identical situation and it’s crazy to see people completely unaware of history repeating itself.

 

[Fenixgoon]

The Democrats do need to find simple ways to explain complex policies though. Trump signs, as stupid as they are, apparently work. "Trump = Safety / Harris = Crime" was an actual sign. The Dems need to articulate their policies at that level. "Dems = healthcare / Reps = Die in a gutter" is the level needed to reach people.

agree here. a simple message is often the most effective, even if it doesn't perfectly articulate the nuances of the actual policy.

 

[ivwshane]

The Democrats do need to find simple ways to explain complex policies though. Trump signs, as stupid as they are, apparently work. "Trump = Safety / Harris = Crime" was an actual sign. The Dems need to articulate their policies at that level. "Dems = healthcare / Reps = Die in a gutter" is the level needed to reach people.

I completely agree but a major part of that is not only what that messaging is but also where and how they do it. Republicans have such a ridiculous advantage in getting their message out. Not only do they have multiple traditional media outlets but they have a ridiculous amount of social media presence in many forms from podcasts to standard social media posts, and complete social media platforms (as in multiple) to straight up foreign adversaries pushing their message. And as if that wasn’t enough, republicans aren’t encumbered with telling the truth like democrats are. To counter that democrats would have to launch the mother of all anti disinformation campaigns, a virtually impossible task in todays landscape.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

The Democrats do need to find simple ways to explain complex policies though. Trump signs, as stupid as they are, apparently work. "Trump = Safety / Harris = Crime" was an actual sign. The Dems need to articulate their policies at that level. "Dems = healthcare / Reps = Die in a gutter" is the level needed to reach people.

Or they could just have implemented good policy like Medicare For All to get rid of the worst rent seeking middlemen in our healthcare system.

 

[Brainonska511]

Or they could just have implemented good policy like Medicare For All to get rid of the worst rent seeking middlemen in our healthcare system.

I'm pretty sure that "just do good policy for everyday people" is something that hasn't really broken through the information barrier, given that the Biden administration did just that with very narrow congressional majorities.

 

[Pipeline 1010]

Much like Brexiters. Never known people to be so angry and disgruntled after winning.

There were at least 3 or 4...how do I call them...(pro-Trump displays/stands/easy-ups?) in my cousin's town for months before the election. He says they would set up every day, sell Trump merch, and attempt to interact with people passing by.

It blew my mind when he said they are still setting up the stands each day, even this weekend. The election is OVER! WTF?

 

[Brovane]

Trump will steal the election in 2028 if he loses the vote. Vance already said he wouldn't have certified the 2020 election if he was VP so you can bet he won't if Trump loses in 2028 or he himself loses in 2028 or Trump's son Uday loses in 2028 or his other son Qusay loses in 2028. There is no next election. Trump is a fascist. If you think there will be a fair 2028 election then you have to say Trump really isn't a fascist and all the talk about how critical the 2024 election was to save democracy was a bunch of over the top BS. So which is it?

Focusing on this is going to guarantee continued Republican victories. Is that what you want?

 

[SteveGrabowski]

Focusing on this is going to guarantee continued Republican victories. Is that what you want?

Think happy thoughts and fascism goes away

 

[MrSquished]

Or they could just have implemented good policy like Medicare For All to get rid of the worst rent seeking middlemen in our healthcare system.

Oh yeah? Do you even know how the American government works with this thing called Congress?

 

[Brovane]

Think happy thoughts and fascism goes away

Why do you keep carrying water for the Republicans? That is what they want you think is there will be no mid-term elections and elections in 2028. You keep yelling fascism is just going to help the Republicans. Yelling fascism didn't help win the 2024 and it will not help in future elections. Yes there will be future elections.